oh_riginal

Davnes007 said:

oh_riginal said:

So does anyone wanna take up the idea I had before, about the Falcon dashboard monitor displaying Bespin, and make it better than that ragged attempt I got on youtube?? I'd love to see a better mockup, if possible!

This is the start of an idea that came to me in a vision. I know some people are against cutting away from seeing the love-birds to see a display of some sort, so I came up with a cool compromise.

The blue 'globe' is seen turning slightly, and I can make it any color.

Obviously it's pretty simple/lame right now, so any suggestions/comments are welcome/appreciated

In the clip I made, Han and Leia only lose like 4 or 5 seconds of screentime. And I think it would be cool to see an upclose display of the Falcon's monitor, which never gets used otherwise in the rest of the movies. The Falcon is damn near a character in its own right, especially in ESB, so thats part of the reason I really would like to see more of what its like to be in that cockpit.

As for the glowy hologram, if placed in the right area, where the eyelines make sense, and as long as its not too distracting, it could be cool. Though different planets would have to pop up everytime Han presses that button, which could mean a different hologram popping up again and again, which could possibly be more distracting than a cutaway to a single shot. Just my two cents.

AxiaEuxine said:

Ok boys and girls. I was inspired by Vaderios Angel's post of his OTize Jedi Starfighter cockpit to make one of my own, basically the opposite. Unfortunantly I grabbed scenes from A New Hope to do this which left me with no dedicated thread to post it in. So since the whole trilogy has Xwings I decided to post it here. Let me know what you all think.

So does anyone wanna take up the idea I had before, about the Falcon dashboard monitor displaying Bespin, and make it better than that ragged attempt I got on youtube?? I'd love to see a better mockup, if possible!

Dangerous Incorporated said:

The camera shake was a PT thing and was never used in the OT. And being this was the only camera shake in the entire OT would be out of place no? A continuity error if you will.

Am I mistaken in recalling somewhere that Ady said he would add a camera shake to the Star Destroyer scene when they scrape each other during the Falcon chase? I thought I read that somewhere along the way, but maybe I'm wrong.

I wouldn't mind a shake during the first AT-AT fall, but I also think an extra boost to bass would work just fine.

Davnes007 said:

rcb said:

i'll think of more [suggestions] later. some just for kicks. ;)

Here's one I made just for kicks, although I think everone might get a kick out of it. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-_4gRk4aWo

Actually seems logical.... Funny still!

Monroville said:

Docta Nick said:

Great point, i did always like the scene, i just think maybe the falcon should be looking like it's going IN the galaxy thing or whatever it is instead of just ranomly going off in a direction. Basically just minor changes r needed for the scene, which is the way it should be.  

Docta Nick, I concur.

It's not a matter of replacing the galaxy so much as bring it closer (about double or triple the size - galaxies are pretty big and even with the galaxy that much bigger would still mean they are a few 1000 light years or more from the galaxy's edge.  And yes, it is a galaxy) and take the Falcon shot when it approaches Yavin IV to show it heading directly away and to the lower left - as in; towards the galaxy.

I disagree. I think the scene could possibly use an upgraded "image" in the back (to avoid calling it a galaxy or star), but even if Ady sticks to his word and leaves it as it is, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It is not distracting to me over how it looks, nor is it distracting to me about which direction the Falcon is flying. I think it works great already.

Ripplin said:

The DVD-9 is the "ultimate" (and final) edition. It has a bunch of extra features that aren't on any of the other editions.

Ah I see. So theres no real differences in the edit itself? Either way I'm about to go replace my DVD5...

Jedi Dark Knight said:

porkinsred6 said:

oh_riginal said:

oh_riginal said:

vaderios said:

Here take the pic and try it out :)

-Angel

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jjOvtOp_QI

Here is my 2nd attempt at it. This time I used the screen image from TPM, though I had to blow it up to work, so its pretty pixelated, but its still the type of image I would like to see on the screen, rather than the one in AOTC.

Thanks for the pic!

So now that a few days have passed for me since really having this chance to show my idea visually, I'm beginning to become curious for feedback.

What makes this idea work or not work, in your eyes?

Also, it relates to ESB, so its not entirely off topic! Control, control, we must learn control!

 

I don't think your idea works.  I feel the scene is supposed to show Leia feeling more comfortable with Han.  The focus is on their faces and their body language.  cutting back and forth from faces to what is shown on the screen is jarring and loses the focus. 

On another note, I kinda like that we don't see what the they are looking at.  Similar to the wampa scene, less is more.

-porkins

 

 

 I generally agree with you here, but still I would like to stay on the topic of awfull screens throughout the OT compared to the wonderfully explanatory and animated screens of the PT. You get a feeling that the OT ships are old or malfunctioning because their screens are a mess, I was happy to see the improvements in ANH:R because it becomes more cohesive, same here, places to change? speeders, X-Wing talking to R2. I agree with the "if it's not shown don't go out of your way to show it" karma, but if it's shown, let's pump it up. the screens should look killer in the OT....my 2 cts.

I tried keeping the shots of the dashboard screen brief, as that is how I would do the footage if I had better editing capabilities and could do my own quality edit. That way the screentime of Han and Leia isn't interrupted TOO much, and its makes the shots that happen after seeing the monitor feel more like reaction shots than just one long continous shot of the actors with a blue light flashing in their face, lol.

But I get why people say it is unnecessary. It really is only a few seconds that the monitor is shown anyway.

doubleofive said:

Adywan said that it will be release in 2010.  No Christmas release, which is fine by me.  I'd rather have it perfected then have to go through the whole "XVID is different from the DVD5 is different from the DVD9 is different from the PURIST" again.

I discovered ANH:R a while after it has already been out. I believe I have the DVD5 version. Whats the difference in the DVD9?

Sluggo said:

I agree.

But to answer the question directly, the design of the 'monitor' is buried way too deep in its housing to make it look appealing.  It looks more like a square cup-holder than a monitor. Maybe if you had a better display surface, you would get better results.

Like I mentioned before, finding a better dashboard image just didn't happen for me, as hard as I tried. My question is really more about the idea, rather than what I put together. It is really just for giving a visual example of what I had in mind.

Seems everyone is against the idea though, so I'll step down. Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

oh_riginal said:

vaderios said:

Here take the pic and try it out :)

-Angel

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jjOvtOp_QI

Here is my 2nd attempt at it. This time I used the screen image from TPM, though I had to blow it up to work, so its pretty pixelated, but its still the type of image I would like to see on the screen, rather than the one in AOTC.

Thanks for the pic!

So now that a few days have passed for me since really having this chance to show my idea visually, I'm beginning to become curious for feedback.

What makes this idea work or not work, in your eyes?

Also, it relates to ESB, so its not entirely off topic! Control, control, we must learn control!

Janskeet said:

corellian77 said:

Monroville said:

vaderios said:

 

Speaking of the END of EMPIRE, this shot always bugged me.  The Falcon leaves and zips off... to where again?  The galaxy is THAT way (pointing down, as they fly upwards). 

Is there any way Ady could ... show the Falcon heading TOWARDS the galaxy and not into random space?

 

Astronomically speaking, what you're seeing in these shots is ANOTHER galaxy beyond the edge of the galaxy in which Luke and company are situated.  It's like looking up and seeing the Andromeda galaxy in our own night sky -- it's not WITHIN our own Milky Way galaxy, we can just see it beyond our own cluster of stars.  As such, the Falcon is not heading into nothingness; the other galaxy is not their destination. 

Now, whether or not such a galaxy would look that close is another matter (something that your mockups exaggerate Vaderios).  I guess considering people can hop around all over the galaxy in the Star Wars universe, it's possible that wherever the Rebel fleet is at the end of ESB just happens to be very close to said galaxy.

BTW, I personally like the idea that it could be the Rishi Maze mentioned in AOTC.

 

Are the pictures on the left the before and the pictures on the right the after?

If we are to assume that is actually a galaxy, then wouldn't it ALWAYS be visible, no matter where you were, whether it be Tatooine or Coruscant? A galaxy that close to the Star Wars galaxy should always be visible I would think.

I don't see why the forming star theory isn't good enough. A forming star looks similar to that image anyway.

I guess it doesn't matter, since Ady isn't changing it anyway, right?

Bingowings said:

The problem is that to see it that big they would have to be between galaxies or the other galaxy would have to be colliding with theirs (which would make it visable in almost every shot in the saga) or very, very big (which would have the same effect).

We can only see Andromeda in detail in those nice photographs through looking through a very powerful telescope.

Everywhere in our galaxy the view would be pretty much the same (though both our galaxy and it are moving together very quickly).

I don't get it... supposedly our sun is located in one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way, right? Yet when we look around us (to the sky naturally) we do not see the arm we are in, or the rest of the galaxy... well, technically we do I suppose, but we don't SEE it, if you know what I mean.

So if we are not able to see the galaxy around us, how would it be at all possible to see ANOTHER galaxy? Telescopes see differently than the naked eye, right? Am I wrong about that? I don't know.

So... I'm just gonna go with the idea that the image shown in the background as the Falcon flies by is a forming star, nothing more. Though an updated version could be cool either way.

vaderios said:

Here take the pic and try it out :)

-Angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jjOvtOp_QI

Here is my 2nd attempt at it. This time I used the screen image from TPM, though I had to blow it up to work, so its pretty pixelated, but its still the type of image I would like to see on the screen, rather than the one in AOTC.

Thanks for the pic!

Bingowings said:

There must be some nice high rez Falcon dashboard photos out there somewhere we can play with.

Bienvenue Jipsu!

Hope to hear more from you.

 I tried looking for some pics online, but didn't have much luck. There isn't anything high-res enough.

I feel the clip I made gets the idea across, but yeah, I'd like to see how it would look with the actual Falcon dashboard monitor, with the Imperial fleet in the background outside the cockpit and everything.

Bingowings said:

Don't worry, once the new trailer comes out I'm sure there will a lot to talk about.

As for the data screen on the Falcon (though I don't think it's actually necessary) it could be a nice project which might be useful more for ROTJ:R during the Endor Battle but might work here too.

Unless we are going to alter the glow from the screen it would have to be mostly blue.

Perhaps the Nav Computer from TPM would be a better guide as it's onscreen longer and the two ships are closer to each other in size.

I'm stuck because I can't find good shots of the screens but here's the best I could under the circumstances (I'm sure other people could do a lot better) :

I tried doing a mockup like this, but had the same exact problem. Neither the Falcon's dashboard or the monitor in TPM is shown in a good close-up. And I wanted to show my idea in action, so the mockup just didn't work. That was when I got lazy and threw in that AOTC footage instead. Oh well, at least it got the idea cross in a visual sense.

That mockup image is a lot like I originally imagined! Just need a high-res image for it, and to have the monitor from a different angle (more from the captain seat) and it be exactly how I pictured it in my head!

Chrille said:

You know, it seems like we've debated so intensely these pasts weeks that we've nearly exhausted every possible topic, lol. That may be why things have gone so off-topic these pasts days.

I tried to stay on topic with the Bespin-on-Falcon-monitor idea, but it didn't stick! But I have to agree... just about every topic is exhausted it seems!

ChainsawAsh said:

Well, we don't want him using the exact same sounds over and over again, do we?  We don't want another Boussh on our hands.

Its one thing to have different sounds that are consistent with what came before, but its quite another to have an entirely new type of sound altogether.

Its like if Yoda suddenly spoke proper english, or the Millennium Falcon suddenly started sounding like an airliner.

On that note, even the lightsabers sound a little different in ROTJ. I realize I have issues with the sound in ROTJ....

ChainsawAsh said:

What's wrong about them?  I've never noticed.

How could you NOT notice how different R2 sounded in ROTJ compared to ANH, ESB, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS?

This has probably already been brought up, beat down, destroyed, and rebuilt, only to be beat down again, but...

... I would really love it if R2-D2's beeps were changed to fit in with the rest of the Star Wars saga!!!!!

Even the PT got the beeps right. What the hell is up with R2's beeps in ROTJ? That has always bugged me, even when I was a little kid.

oh_riginal said:

TheBoost said:

oh_riginal said:

What could be cool (though unnecessary to add, admittingly) would be to see the monitor in the Falcon's cockpit when Han and Leia are figuring out where to go, as they eventually decide on Bespin as their destination.

A good reference for what the image might look like would be when Obi Wan was looking at the monitor on Amidala's ship in TPM, when he pointed out Tatooine was close enough to travel to without lightspeed.

But yeah, this wouldn't be a necessary change, but could be cool if done right. Just saying.

I don't know. That moment and when Luke's Xwing leave Dagobah and the camera stays on Yoda are perfect examples as to why ESB is the best... the film focuses on the subtlety of an actors performance instead of some special effect.

 

Well I definitely wouldn't want to change the Yoda moment. But just a slight bit of intercutting of the monitor and Han and Leia looking upon it could be cool. But as I already said, its not necessary. Just something I thought of earlier.

 

Here's a cheap, rough example of what I mean. I don't feel it takes too much from the scene at all, since its only a few seconds taken from Han and Leia's screentime in the scene.

Note: The monitor footage was taken from AOTC, so yes, I know the background doesn't match up with what is SUPPOSED to be outside the Falcon, but the monitor itself was just what I was thinking of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnO_84jbyh4

Also, the monitor shown in TPM is more of how I would imagine it to look, but that monitor's image wasn't shown up close like the one in AOTC, otherwise I would have used that image as a better example. Sorry.

Again, just an experiment I wanted to try, to see how it would feel. I'm not suggesting it be used for ESB:R, but it's an alternate way to see the scene.

TheBoost said:

oh_riginal said:

What could be cool (though unnecessary to add, admittingly) would be to see the monitor in the Falcon's cockpit when Han and Leia are figuring out where to go, as they eventually decide on Bespin as their destination.

A good reference for what the image might look like would be when Obi Wan was looking at the monitor on Amidala's ship in TPM, when he pointed out Tatooine was close enough to travel to without lightspeed.

But yeah, this wouldn't be a necessary change, but could be cool if done right. Just saying.

I don't know. That moment and when Luke's Xwing leave Dagobah and the camera stays on Yoda are perfect examples as to why ESB is the best... the film focuses on the subtlety of an actors performance instead of some special effect.

 

Well I definitely wouldn't want to change the Yoda moment. But just a slight bit of intercutting of the monitor and Han and Leia looking upon it could be cool. But as I already said, its not necessary. Just something I thought of earlier.

What could be cool (though unnecessary to add, admittingly) would be to see the monitor in the Falcon's cockpit when Han and Leia are figuring out where to go, as they eventually decide on Bespin as their destination.

A good reference for what the image might look like would be when Obi Wan was looking at the monitor on Amidala's ship in TPM, when he pointed out Tatooine was close enough to travel to without lightspeed.

But yeah, this wouldn't be a necessary change, but could be cool if done right. Just saying.

Jedi Dark Knight said:

Or the hottest supermodels.......hahaha

Marisa Miller, hands down.

But anyway... sorry if this has been brought up before already, but will the cockpit of Boba Fett's ship be changed to match better with how it appeared in AOTC? Or is that against the "change OT to match PT" rules?

adywan said:

i'm going to maybe add a faint saber glow on lukes face only in a couple of closeups. the whole glow issue seems to have been overdone a bit in the PT but the bit where they swing the sabers around their heads in AOTC is going anyway so the other glows are so quick you hardly notice them anyway 

I did a re-edit of the duel you are referring to from AOTC, a while back. If you look at the re-edited sequence I did, the glow is still there in the two-shots, but yes, without the closeups, it is not really all that noticeable.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlE9JBYaEFw

I still like the idea of just the faintest of a glow on Luke's face in a few of the scenes in ESB. Perhaps Vader's armor is not very reflective to the glow? I don't recall a lot of reflections on his armor in the other films, but I'd have to look again.

SithTrooper said:

SithTrooper said:

 

2) when Vader is talking to Luke on the platform (after cutting Luke's hand off) you can see the shell of Vader's helmet moving in the wind.

 

Yeh, this has been mentioned. I'm not sure if i'll be doing anything with that because we do see that the hood part of the helmet is separate and it does help show just how windy it is up there.

 

This was Ady's response as I had mentioned the helmet thing a while back.

 

And besides, isn't Vader's cape blowing in the wind enough to show that its windy?