oh_riginal

vaderios said:

I dont think that the MF is growing or shrinking. Its all about from what angle you shoot it.

Also the MF has the correct size when it passes the bridge and after when its landed at the back.

Also in the third pic you posted some frames before and later we see some flashes when the lasers hit the shields of MF.

-Angel

 

But in the 2nd and 3rd shot, look at the closeness of the SD to the camera, as compared with the distance of the MF. In the 2nd shot, the SD looks further away from the camera than in the 3rd shot, angled or not, while the MF is closer in the 2nd shot, but incredibly far away in the 3rd shot, looking more like the size of the Jedi Starfighter from ROTS than being the big ship that the MF is.

It just bugs me how small the MF looks in the 3rd shot. If the SD were further away from the camera it would at least look accurate and match with the other shots. So a way to fix this would be to either start with a closer image of the MF in the first frame of the shot, or pull the SD further into the background.

The final shot, of the MF hiding, I can definitely live with, but it still seems like it might be just the tiniest bit too big looking compared to how it looks in the rest of the shots. But that doesn't bother me nearly as much as that 3rd shot.

sketchrob said:

There's always a horizon line, perspective doesnt stop and start on one fixed line in reality, everywher you look there is a horizon line... as Yoda would say.. "it surrounds us... binds us... ties the galaxy together" lol if you would like to study up on basic camera techniques and theory I suggest a text  book called "Shot by Shot".

Funny... I have that book.

But anyway, I had to wait 12 hours before I could go home and download the trailer... that was the longest day ever! Great way to end the day though!

As for an issue that bothers me a bit... is it me, or is the size perspective between the Millennium Falcon and the Star Destroyer Avenger inconsistent during the last chase before Han Solo outsmarts Captain Needa by hiding behind the SD?

In at least one shot, the Falcon either shrinks a LOT, or the SD grows to be the size of the Super Star Destroyer, then their sizes seem to go back to normal.

In the first two shots, the Falcon and the SD look about right.

Suddenly the Falcon shrunk a lot, and is barely seen around the area of the deflector shield ball thingy.

Okay thats much better for size perspective.

Looks right to me.

Maybe the Falcon looks a tiny bit bigger than it did before, now that it is physically touching the back of the SD by being parked on it? Should it not be maybe a little smaller looking here, since it is now THAT close to the SD? I don't know.

EyeShotFirst said:

It hasn't been getting dry. We just try to make sure our ideas arent retarded.

I will need to rewatch ESB again soon and look for specific errors to get some ideas that may not have been touched upon by Adywan.

Otherwise the only idea I will have ever had was the Falcon monitor, which got shot down faster than an Imperial on a swoopbike!

Chrille said:

Concerning models versus cgi, I'm glad ady is gooing the model route. I am still of the opinion that models look better thn cg, at least with bigger ships, because they are actually there. Something about them actually existing rather than just being rendered in a computer. For instance, I thought most capital ships in the pt looked fake, like from a video game.

Yeah I got that feel as well. I think a mix of CGI and practical effects is really the best way to go in most modern cases.

Bingowings said:

Sevb32 said:

So much for the Ewoks worshipping their golden idol.

I don't see it as a problem if this change was made, most forest cultures worship some kind of tree spirit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man his shining eyes would look like the sun through the trees.

I never bought the idea that the Ewoks would worship Threepio just because he was a droid (the Imperials have been on the planet for some time and they have been doing much more godlike).

Which was why I suggested that Threepio looked like an already worshipped God

And that when they are about to cook the hero's Threepio projected frightening holograms around him:

 

That would be cool. Since R2-D2's memory was never wiped, he would remember seeing Darth Maul way back in TPM.

G E Predator said:

DF Shadow said:

WoW....just looking at all the effort and corrections AdY is putting into this awesome project I have to wonder.......is EsBR actually more work that AnHR was??

 

 

 

 

 

CANNOT WAIT FOR THE TRAILER BTW.

I would say so.  Even though I think ESB is fine as it is on the DVDs, I'm anxious to see what Adywan can cook up for ESB:R

 

Considering the changes we've seen with the asteroid chase, the transport escape, cloud city, and Yoda's facial movements, I think a lot of us were wrong in assuming ESB was perfect as-is.

Hell, the color correction alone is worthy of high praise!

EyeShotFirst said:

ben_danger said:

maybe too radical, and i dont know why or how this could be done, but maybe somehow leia could have it, and she could give it to luke to where, repeating anakin's line from TPM 'it will bring you luck' (i think he says that.:P)

 

i am assuming that ROTS:R wont have padme dying, to fit in with her surviving until leia is young enough to remember her, and thus perhaps give it to her.

Adywan isn't gonna go to that kind of trouble for a necklace. Plus, Leia is the daughter of a great jedi. She may think she remembers her mother were in turn she actually has felt her mother. The jedi are hard to understand in that sense. But life finds a way in the star wars universe to continue. Another thing keeping padme alive would be damn near impossible. It would tear the saga apart. and thus be a great continuity error which i hear ady doesn't like continuity errors.

 

I think what was meant was to just cut out Padme's death scene altogether. But then there is no evidence of her dying between ROTS and ANH, and viewers would just have to assume it happened, based on Leia's dialogue in ROTJ.

But this is all just ideas being thrown out there. And not necessarily for Adywan, but for any faneditor who would like to tackle this idea somehow.

adywan said:

Janskeet said:

I don't recall Adywan mentioning changes to Darth Vader's shoulder being hit by Luke's lightsaber. We see Vader's shoulder get hit but no marks of it after. Perhaps you could do something about this Adywan?

not sure if i'm going to do anything about this. its more of a glancing blow than a full on hit or his arm would have been severed.

If this shot is left alone as is, it still works perfectly fine. If anything were to be added, the only thing really would be just a slight glow to where the lightsaber struck, which could maybe be seen cooling back into black in later shots? I don't know.

EyeShotFirst said:

oh_riginal said:

Bingowings said:

One thing and I have mentioned it before that I would bring in from the PT into Jedi is that little neckless thing that Anakin made.

It seemed to me to be a Chekhov's Gun that never went off.

When I saw TPM I thought I bet that neckless will actually be used in some way to turn Anakin.

It will turn up at the scene of some disaster or in Obi-Wan's underwear drawer or something but it never happened.

So I thought it would be nice if the one thing Leia had of her mother was the neckless and she gave it to Luke on Endor when he told her he was her brother (he is asking about his mother after all).

When Palpatine is zapping Luke the thing could fall on the floor and that could be the straw that snaps the camel's back.

Otherwise it seems like a big deal for no reason, he makes the object as a little boy, Padme keeps it all her life and it presumably goes up in flames with her body after she dies.

Putting it into the last film turns a small object into a trigger for big events.

This would be cool if pulled off right, but it would require shooting scenes of the necklace being exchanged between Leia and Luke, and a shot of it falling off of Luke while laying on the floor. And the only way this could be done is in closeup shots of just their hands, since no shots of the actors exchanging anything exists. If it didn't work, it would be too obvious that these are insert shots.

Interesting, but tricky.

 

sorry to party poop. But, Padme was burned/buried what ever with the necklace in ROTS.

 

A scene in which the necklace can be removed, which would be a lot easier to do compared to inserting the necklace into the OT.

Bingowings said:

One thing and I have mentioned it before that I would bring in from the PT into Jedi is that little neckless thing that Anakin made.

It seemed to me to be a Chekhov's Gun that never went off.

When I saw TPM I thought I bet that neckless will actually be used in some way to turn Anakin.

It will turn up at the scene of some disaster or in Obi-Wan's underwear drawer or something but it never happened.

So I thought it would be nice if the one thing Leia had of her mother was the neckless and she gave it to Luke on Endor when he told her he was her brother (he is asking about his mother after all).

When Palpatine is zapping Luke the thing could fall on the floor and that could be the straw that snaps the camel's back.

Otherwise it seems like a big deal for no reason, he makes the object as a little boy, Padme keeps it all her life and it presumably goes up in flames with her body after she dies.

Putting it into the last film turns a small object into a trigger for big events.

This would be cool if pulled off right, but it would require shooting scenes of the necklace being exchanged between Leia and Luke, and a shot of it falling off of Luke while laying on the floor. And the only way this could be done is in closeup shots of just their hands, since no shots of the actors exchanging anything exists. If it didn't work, it would be too obvious that these are insert shots.

Interesting, but tricky.

vaderios said:

^Whut? That is Spoiler!!!!

 

-Angel

I don't know. I donated, got the clip, and Ady said it was cool to discuss the clip in this thread. Take that as you will.

As for the clip, yes, the image of Cloud City in motion is awesome!

ChainsawAsh said:

rcb said:

Janskeet said:

I don't understand why they didn't use David Prowse for the face of Darth Vader. He was the man behind the mask in all three films, I think he should've got the glory of it. Surely they could've made up his face with prothstetics and make-up to look like that anyway. David Prowse's face looks more like I imagined as the face behind the mask anyways.

 

 GL felt hayden deserved it since he was playing the character who would become darth vader.

I think he meant for the unmasking scene in 1983, when Hayden was two years old, so I doubt that was the reasoning. ;-)

 

 Cause Prowse's voice and accent would not have matched? The raw audio of Prowse delivering Vader's lines on set sound nothing like James Earl Jones.

Hey, why wasn't James Earl Jones used for the face of Vader! Oh wait, Luke has blonde hair and blue eyes....

Bewy said:

But won't the shot of the MF and Slave I fly-by be cut out if I remember(because it wasn't realistic at all)? In that case the original music could be restored as it originally was in the movie before the DVD (even in the SE VHS it was like the GOUT, the DVD screwed it all up).

I didn't mind the shot itself, except for the fact that in one shot, the Falcon flies OUT of the line of garbage, followed by Slave 1, only to see in the following SE shot that they are still flying alongside a trail of garbage.

Monroville said:

Janskeet said:

Does Adywan plan on using the eyebrowless Sebastian Shaw or the browed one?

Is it just me, or does Vader look like a conehead?

Just an idea (either for JEDI:R or anyone else's edit): if anyone has seen the 1986 film THE VINDICATOR, would it be conceivable to use some FX and editing (shots of close-up of Vader's eyes/ Luke grimacing as he sees just how bad he is) to essentially show Vader in a similar condition as the man-bot in the aforementioned film (as in: more scars, no jaw, maybe make the breather larger to cover his lack of lips/mouth/etc - more DARKMANish I guess)?

In fact, would it be conceivable to do an edit where:
when Luke takes off the mask, he winces when he sees just how torn up he is and we never see Vader's "face", but just close ups of his eyes as he tries to talk.  That way we can still imagine how bad off he looks and you still keep the mystery of what is behind the mask (that pretty much disappointed me when I finally saw it).

I would at least "sand" the top of his head down to more cranial proportions.

 

 I think the conehead thing comes from Mr. Shaw wearing a bald cap, rather than actually being bald for the scene.

I like the Chasing Amy explanation of this scene. Too funny!

ChainsawAsh said:

That was one of only two change from any SE version (97 or 04) that I 100% liked.  Even the ones I don't mind, I still don't prefer over the original.  But this was something that just made sense, and I was surprised wasn't done that way originally.  Why didn't they shave his eyebroys off or something?  It just looks so much better.

Yep, this is one of those rare SE changes where the "change the PT to match the OT" rule would not work... cause putting eyebrows on Hayden in ROTS while he is in flames would not make any sense at all! HA!

RoccondilRinon said:

The lava battle was part of the backstory long before the prequels were around. I believe that it was established by the time of ROTJ, but I could be wrong.

I recall reading this in the ROTJ novelization. But don't quote me, as that was well over 15 years ago for me.

Janskeet said:

Does Adywan plan on using the eyebrowless Sebastian Shaw or the browed one?

 Wouldn't it make logical sense to use no eyebrows? I mean, its not like his hair roots survived his injuries, so why keep the eyebrows? Unless his eyebrows had more "midichlorians" than his hair! HA!

Xammer said:

Everyone keeps talking about how great the acting is in the OT and sometimes I really try to believe thatstatement. Now, I re-watched this "Lando system" scene and IT'S TERRIBLE!!! The actors sound so flat! Like Tarkin when he says "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion". Compare THAT to the perfectly delivered lines by Ewan McGregor in the PT, such as "Unfortunately, the war" or "Our missing planet, Kamino".

I always thought the acting was hit and miss throughout all the films, with some just being better than others. ESB just so happens to have the best performances, and coincidently it is not directed by George Lucas. Not every scene is perfect, but it is the most consistent I think.

Also, editing can create a performance of an actor... which means re-edits can re-create a performance and even improve a character. I think that is the greatest benefit of fan edits, even more than updating special effects and such. Which is why I'm really looking forward to ROTJ:R.

corellian77 said:

oh_riginal said:

Okay, this is the last attempt, for real this time! I promise.... If Ady isn't interested in this idea, maybe other fan editors may like it? Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZd9dn9Bn8

Now the dashboard is darkened, the monitor has more of a glowing effect, the images move more, and there is aurebesh text on display. Disregard the final 20 seconds or so, as that was a mistake.

I. Am. Done.

Thanks for watching.

 

Probably your best one simply because of the editing (the changes between the monitor and Han and Leia, save perhaps from the last cut, are precisely where I thought they should be.)  The way it is now feels natural and doesn't hurt the flow of the scene whatsoever.

The real problem remains finding a hi-res picture of the Falcon's cockpit instrumentation... as good as your clip looks on its own, compared to ady's edit the quality would likely stick out like a sore thumb (unless, of course, your clip is better looking than what we're seeing on youtube, which is almost a given).

That was always the biggest problem with this mockup for me, was being unable to get a hold of a hi-res dashboard image. There just doesn't seem to be one out there! I would probably be better off finding an image that is at least close enough to looking like the Falcon's dashboard, rather than using the actual image of it, which is blurry and pixelated.

Okay, I really, really, really, really mean it this time... this is the last attempt at showing the Falcon's monitor!

This one will sell the idea once and for all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAxE438fhQ

adywan said:

please keep the suggestions, photo and video mock-ups coming. i'm not stubborn headed and do listen and look at ever one. for instance just recently it was suggested that when Luke approaches Bespin that it should be later in the day because the sun is setting shortly after. Now i had spent 5 days working on  the new moving  matte shot of Luke's approach and had just finished it and i loved it until i saw this suggestion.  i've now gone back and had to change most of the elements and start from scratch because i like this idea. luckily i could reuse all the tracking work i had originally done and have now completed it (minus the xwing which needs to have a new element added) but the finished shot is 1000% better than it originally was.

 

Thats all I was really trying to do. All the time I see mockups being done here, and I LOVE seeing new ideas, or new spins on existing ideas. And honestly, even pre-97 SE I was always curious about what the Falcon's monitor looked like, so seeing a mockup of what it would be like has always been something I wanted to see.

So, being inspired by the various mockups in this thread and others, I took the opportunity and time to take a shot at doing one of my own. However I ended up going back to it and trying to make it better, hence the 4 attempts at trying to get my idea visualized.

Did I expect Ady to fall in love with it? No, not really. But if he had ended up liking it, that would have been cool. If not Ady, I figure maybe another editor may be inspired by it later on. I'm not doing my own fan edit, I just wanted to SHARE an idea with the fan community.

I didn't think a big debate would happen cause of it, with a bit of anger going back and forth. That was not my intention. I just wanted to see if I could do a mockup at all. I'm somewhat new to editing programs, and I think its a fun profession.

So, apologies to everyone for my part in this. I just wanted to show what I imagined the monitor might be like.

Okay, now that I got that out of my system, topic dropped.

Bingowings said:

AxiaEuxine said:

Ok so I was looking at my original post and had an idea for an Axia Edition using the same image.

Size isn't everything but it might help here:

 

Oooh, I like that. Seems scarier, like it's built to also eat bigger lifeforms than just humans. It also looks easier to fall into!

Okay, this is the last attempt, for real this time! I promise....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZd9dn9Bn8

Now the dashboard is darkened, the monitor has more of a glowing effect, the images move more, and there is aurebesh text on display. Disregard the final 20 seconds or so, as that was a mistake.

I. Am. Done.

Thanks for watching.

Okay, this is the last attempt, for real this time! I promise.... If Ady isn't interested in this idea, maybe other fan editors may like it? Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZd9dn9Bn8

Now the dashboard is darkened, the monitor has more of a glowing effect, the images move more, and there is aurebesh text on display. Disregard the final 20 seconds or so, as that was a mistake.

I. Am. Done.

Thanks for watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUya8zPjhUE

Here's my 3rd attempt at creating a monitor "GPS" display for the Millennium Falcon, as Han and Leia look for somewhere to hide from the Empire.

I'd love to see a better version of this in somebody's fanedit (if not Adywan's) someday. Hope you all enjoy it.