Monroville said:
(2) definitely tone down the head bouncing back and forth
I like that idea. I think that's what bothers me about that shot.
Perhaps some blinking for Yoda's eyes could help sell that he is alive while on Luke's back? I don't know.
Enigmas said:Speaking of repeated themes...
Did you guys realize that The Empire Strike Back is the only Star Wars with no Tatooine?
So much for being the planet that is farthest from the bright center of the universe....
Meanwhile, Alderaan gets two cameos... one in ROTS and ANH, with no development to make viewers say "nooooo, please don't destroy THAT planet! So many cool adventures happened there!"
But this is getting off topic.
So, I didn't notice anything about this on the first page, but is there anything that can be done about Yoda while he is on Luke's back during his training? He looks like a backpack with a Yoda head attached to it, especially when Luke stops running to catch a breath.
Though I'm not sure anything can be done to fix that.
vaderios said:its just a grill man..
Before SE you shouldnt see the grill or the barbeque or whatever
Not really is wise to show boba's craft in the previous shot. Thats the magic of cinema.
is well hidden no need to show and indicate it like the PT :)
Im concern more about the yellow engines and the transparent copckit rather the slave 3
-Angel
I didn't imply the grill should be shown (in the Bespin shot). Please re-read my post.
I didn't see this listed as a fix listed anywhere so...
I noticed, while rewatching the Falcon floating amongst the trail of garbage in space, that just before it turns its engines on (yeah, I was watching the shot originally for more engine goodness), it seems to freeze in "mid-air" for a few frames, as if it stopped floating before the engines even came on, which doesn't make any sense to me.
Should the Falcon not have kept floating until the engines caused it to move? The engine isn't even on yet, and the Falcon freezes.
Anyone else besides me see this as an issue?
One way to fix this would be to either have the engine light up sooner (but not blast off yet) to explain why the Falcon suddenly stopped floating, OR to make it so that the Falcon continues to float along for that extra few frames before blasting off.
Your thoughts, Ady?
Also, (and this might just be me), I can't seem to find Slave 1 among the garbage in the shots of the garbage floating from the Star Destroyer, and in the shot of the Falcon blasting out of there. I understand Han and co. are supposed to be fooled by not noticing Boba's ship among the debris, but as far as continuity goes, should we as the viewers not be able to see the shape of the ship in the earlier shots?
Or did I just see the ship and was completely unable to recognize it?
I'm starting to feel like I'm getting really nitpicky here....
RoccondilRinon said:I agree, OR. A nice subtle boost is all that's needed — no need to show the "grille" effect, something more resembling the Death Star escape is more appropriate.
I agree with no grill visual, as Ady had a good argument against using it in the other shots, since the engine had already been on long enough to be more lit up... but the Death Star escape still convinces me that the Bespin platform escape could use a little tweaking with the Falcon blasting off.
I think the engine looks so lit up already in the Bespin shot, that it just has to be downplayed and toned down while the Falcon is lifting off the ground, then blow back up to the original look as it is taking off. I don't know how possible that is to do with the existing shot, but someone like Ady could probably figure out a way to do it (but only if he wanted to.)
oh_riginal said:adywan said:No. In ANH we see it power up and you see the rear of the falcon from the moment it is taking off. In the Bespin platform shot we don't see the engines power up as the Falcon is facing the camera then turns to fly off, but by this time the engines have already powered up.
Don't forget that the engine sound effect was only added for the trailer because i had to add new sound FX because i couldn't use the movies soundtrack due to the music in that shot.. this isn't how it appears in the movie
Damn, I actually liked the new placement of the sound effect, and thought that you were changing the audio for that shot. It sounds logical to have it there.
Okay, here's my final attempt to sway you, Ady... in ANH:R (which I just watched a bit ago to search for other examples of how the engine glow works) there is the sequence of the Falcon lifting up, going into reverse, and turning around, as Han and co. are escaping the Death Star after Obi Wan's self-sacrifice. In THIS shot, the glow is full while the Falcon turns around, BUT... when it boosts off, the glow intensifies quite a bit... so, could there at least be a similar change in the intensity of the engine glow as the Falcon finishes turning around and boosts off from the Bespin platform? This may also require adding that sound effect placement from the trailer... but I like where it is placed in the trailer, so that wouldn't bother me one bit.
My logic for being so strong behind this idea is that the Falcon is not casually lifting up, turning around, and flying away. If it were, then no intensifying of the engine glow wouldn't bother me so much. But like the Death Star take-off sequence, the Falcon is trying to escape, so it would seem like the Falcon would be in a hurry to fly off just the same as before.
Sorry if I'm being buggy about all of this. If you say no, thats cool. Just thought it would be worth a try.
BTW, awesome to hear you're upgrading the boost effect in the Avenger chase sequence!
Since my final attempt to convince Ady has gone unanswered, I will take this opportunity to back it up with a visual demonstration/comparison. No disrespect to Ady or anyone that disagrees, I just want to show what I'm trying to say.
(Note: The Falcon's engine sound effect was added, since I had sound issues with the clips I used, but I tried to place the engine sound effect as close to the place where Ady added it in the ESB:R trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N06VtkBRJQ0
Thanks for watching.
Chrille said:I didn't see this covered, but I apologize if I've missed something.
I've always been annoyed at the voice telling 3PO "Who are you" sounding so unlike a strom trooper. I mean, I do understand that the intention behind it was probably to not ruin the reveal for the audience that the Empire was already on Bespin. But the voice just sounds a bit silly, all gruff and weird. Besides, I don't think a normal storm trooper voice would be immidiately recognizeble, especially since they haven't been heard since ANH, so I don't se any harm in adding that.
Or, if keeping the reveal at all costs is a high priority, the voice could be changed to a normal person's voice, implying that the line is spoken by an imperial officer. I'd be happy so long as anything is done to it.
Or perhaps a Stormtrooper with his helmet off? Stormtroopers gotta have some down time now and then, right?
HotRod said:And unlike Fett, this long snout guy has possibly the worst dialogue (and I mean his voice) from all six films. Well, at least he did have before ol' Boba went all Maori.
What's wrong with the Maori?
Bobocop said:One thing that's always seemed not quite right to me during the Bespin escape is right after the Slave I takes off. C3PO says "Chewie, they're behind you!" and you can see Lando in the background chilling out and stretching or something, then suddenly laser blasts fire, completely missing these stationary targets and then they all jump out of the way and start running again. It makes the stormtroopers seem even more incompetent.
I know there's this "nobody ever listens to C3PO" thing going on throughout the film, but it might make more sense to delay his line delivery slightly if possible, so that it looks like he warns them and they start moving again just in time to avoid the blasts, rather than have them snap out of it and take off after a few rounds completely miss them when nobody's even moving.
This bothered me before too, but after looking at it again, I don't think Lando's body movements from shot-to-shot are too inconsistent at all. They don't really break continuity in an outrageous way or anything.
But the idea of delaying 3PO's line does seem like it could work.
doubleofive said:DarthBo said:wonderful :-)
That is a huge improvement, but (don't you hate that word), unless I'm seeing this wrong, shouldn't there be less shadow on the turret? Judging by the snow the sun should be somewhere left of your (the viewer's) head. Yet here the background's sun is still behind the turret instead of in front, though this time on the correct (left) side.
He's not going to be able to fix the sun direction in most of the wrong shots during the battle, why not start messing with the sun right at the beginning? LOL
Hoth could have multiple (but distant enough to keep the planet cold) suns, ala the movie Pitch Black... but adding another sun or two would be more hassle than it's worth I would think.
adywan said:No. In ANH we see it power up and you see the rear of the falcon from the moment it is taking off. In the Bespin platform shot we don't see the engines power up as the Falcon is facing the camera then turns to fly off, but by this time the engines have already powered up.
Don't forget that the engine sound effect was only added for the trailer because i had to add new sound FX because i couldn't use the movies soundtrack due to the music in that shot.. this isn't how it appears in the movie
Damn, I actually liked the new placement of the sound effect, and thought that you were changing the audio for that shot. It sounds logical to have it there.
Okay, here's my final attempt to sway you, Ady... in ANH:R (which I just watched a bit ago to search for other examples of how the engine glow works) there is the sequence of the Falcon lifting up, going into reverse, and turning around, as Han and co. are escaping the Death Star after Obi Wan's self-sacrifice. In THIS shot, the glow is full while the Falcon turns around, BUT... when it boosts off, the glow intensifies quite a bit... so, could there at least be a similar change in the intensity of the engine glow as the Falcon finishes turning around and boosts off from the Bespin platform? This may also require adding that sound effect placement from the trailer... but I like where it is placed in the trailer, so that wouldn't bother me one bit.
My logic for being so strong behind this idea is that the Falcon is not casually lifting up, turning around, and flying away. If it were, then no intensifying of the engine glow wouldn't bother me so much. But like the Death Star take-off sequence, the Falcon is trying to escape, so it would seem like the Falcon would be in a hurry to fly off just the same as before.
Sorry if I'm being buggy about all of this. If you say no, thats cool. Just thought it would be worth a try.
BTW, awesome to hear you're upgrading the boost effect in the Avenger chase sequence!
EyeShotFirst said:Not to get off topic but oh_riginal I love your signature.
It's from the lyrics of one of the songs in the musical episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
ImperialFighter said:or_iginal, it only took a few moments before the Falcon's full engine 'glow' appeared in that SE addition in 'ANH', as it rose upwards. We saw the rear 'detail' for a short time, but overall it was fully 'glowing' pretty quickly after lifting off.
As far as the 'platform' take-off, there was plenty of time for it to have been fully 'aglow' from when Chewie sits down to charge up the engines (C3PO gets dragged by R2, and then we see Stormtroopers firing in-between times), to when we see it lift off the platform. Also, it's almost facing us as we first see it turn around as it takes off from the platform, so this all makes it consistent with being fully 'aglow' by the time we see the rear of it.
The sound effect just seems to tie-in with when the Falcon zooms off straight ahead, after it has lifted up and fully turned. Although the engines are already fully 'aglow' at this point, it works fine for me I have to say. I think you could be right about that sound effect in the trailer not being audible in the official release, perhaps due to the crescendo of the music at this point.
But when you watch the shot of the Falcon taking off from Docking Bay 94, the glow doesn't go full until you hear the engine roar at full strength.
Your point wouldn't be an issue for me, but when Ady added the sound effect to the Cloud City shot (I just checked the DVD version of this shot and compared it to the ESB:R trailer version and indeed the sound effect was not present before, at least not where Ady placed it), now it just seems natural to let the engine go full blue on cue with the engine roar, rather than be full blue the entire time.
Also, I think where Ady placed that sound cue is perfect, as all the Falcon does is lift up and turn around, THEN boosts off, which makes the new engine roar placement logical. Now all that is needed (just my opinion) is for the engine glow to match the sound of the liftoff.
Okay, yet another question for Ady, concerning the Millennium Falcon's engine glow... (seems to be my new obsession!)
In ANH, when the Falcon escapes Docking Bay 94, we see the engine lit up, but with some detail to the exhaust, THEN we see the engine boost for take-off, like so:
However, in the shot of the Falcon lifting off from the platform on Cloud City, the engines appear to be fully lit the entire time. The following image is from the ESB:R trailer:
This specific frame of the shot is from just before the Falcon's engine can be heard boosting off.
I just wanted to ask, is this going to be made to be consistent with the shot from ANH? It may not be a big deal to most, but I'd love to see this changed to match the other footage, especially since there is a boosting sound effect there now (I believe there wasn't one in the official release, correct?)
oh_riginal said:Jedi Dark Knight said:oh!....an improvement of the same effect? mmmm Angel did a great job with the part closest to the hull, maybe keep that and leave out the trails....? (yeah Trekkish all the way)
In the actual shot, the effect doesn't bother me at all until a trail begins to show... the boost itself looks fine, but toward the end of the shot, when a trail begins to show, it looks like animation.
These first 3 images of the shot look fine to me:
These next 4 images? Not so much:
Yeah, it's definitely the trail that bothers me. It looks drawn onto the frame (which I'm sure it was.)
So again I ask, will there be any fixes planned for this, Ady?
Thinking further on this, I began to question... is there ANY other shot anywhere in the OT where the trail gets this long other than in this shot? The Falcon's engines have a boost in a few shots throughout the OT if I remember right, but I'm not sure if there was ever a trail left as long as the one in the shot of the MF turning around. It appears to be over-exaggerated in this one sequence compared to the rest of the OT!
Perhaps it would be better to just lessen the trail by not making it as long? Or just removing the trail altogether and just leave the image of the boost itself? I'm just thinking about continuity with this suggestion, but maybe I'm wrong and the trail is shown in another shot in the OT somewhere, but I don't recall.
Jedi Dark Knight said:oh!....an improvement of the same effect? mmmm Angel did a great job with the part closest to the hull, maybe keep that and leave out the trails....? (yeah Trekkish all the way)
In the actual shot, the effect doesn't bother me at all until a trail begins to show... the boost itself looks fine, but toward the end of the shot, when a trail begins to show, it looks like animation.
These first 3 images of the shot look fine to me:
These next 4 images? Not so much:
Yeah, it's definitely the trail that bothers me. It looks drawn onto the frame (which I'm sure it was.)
So again I ask, will there be any fixes planned for this, Ady?
Jedi Dark Knight said:I kinda liked the "firing up" effect, it made me feel like Han "stepped on it" to turn around like in cars when you floor it after a U-Turn to come out of the turn with a boost! I liked it.....it would be a shame to change that..maybe just feather it a bit? maybe?
I'm not implying that it should be removed, just made to look less animated. It shouldn't look like a cartoon flame!
vaderios said:oh_riginal said:While thats the idea I'm thinking of, the visual seems to be overkill. It should only be a blueish color, correct?
Yes and no.
I mean you are correct but id like to have more that one color in one shot.
Or keep the blue and add some lasers from the DS :)
-RoboAngel
The latter idea seems logical to me.
Isn't the Star Destroyer shooting at them prior to this shot AND after this shot anyway? I don't think added lasers would stick out at all.
vaderios said:oh_riginal said:In the shot of the Falcon turning around to "take on" the Star Destroyer, when it boosts, the engine "fire" or whatever it is, looks very animated, like a cartoon (in my opinion anyway).
Ady, will there be any change to make it look more "realistic"?
Take it from ESB ROTJ wishlist thread.
Seems no one bothered to look there
-Angel
While thats the idea I'm thinking of, the visual seems to be overkill. It should only be a blueish color, correct?
In the shot of the Falcon turning around to "take on" the Star Destroyer, when it boosts, the engine "fire" or whatever it is, looks very animated, like a cartoon (in my opinion anyway).
Ady, will there be any change to make it look more "realistic"?
RoccondilRinon said:That's the other thing I like about sticking that scene at the beginning of ROTJ. With a few minor cuts we can imply he's been there for a while again.
This I also agree with. Though we are starting to get off topic again!
Going back to the scene of Luke cutting the hatch open on the AT-AT, does anyone else think the top of the AT-AT leg on the right side of the screen doesn't quite match how it looks and moves in the full shots of the AT-ATs?
Enigmas said:There actually is a cut, oh_riginal. The imperial says,"My lord, we have them." Then there is a 'corkscrew wipe' (if I remember correctly) to the Falcon, and C3P0 says "Oh thank goodness we're coming out of the astroid field." But we, the audience, aren't sure how much time disclosed between those two scenes. Perhaps it was long enough for Boba to take a turbolift to the hanger and follow the Falcon unseen. I don't think its a problem, personally. =)
Okay I can see what you're saying, though it doesn't come off that clearly in the film.
Theres a lot in ESB that it seems one has to fill in the blanks more than usual... for example, I always assumed that the time between when the Falcon finally evades the Imperial Fleet (but not Boba), that it took quite a while for Han and Co. to reach Bespin with no lightspeed capability, hence the line "Bespin is pretty far but I think we can make it."
This allows more time in the narrative for Luke to have gotten more training from Yoda than it would seem he had. If it took, say, a month (just an example) for the Falcon to go from the asteroid field to Bespin, then thats a month Luke got to train, making his transition from failing to lift the x-wing and the failure at the cave, to being able to fend off Vader for a bit in a duel much more believable.
Or am I stretching things out too much?
vaderios said:G E Predator said:If you don't know, then you can use your *waves hands and makes a rainbow" imagination :D
Spongebob takes too much LSD :)
a good example for younger viewers.
And yes no need to show boba's way to hangar.
-Angel
I'm not implying that it should be explained, but even if one were to attempt to try explaining it, I don't think they could pull it off.
Reason?
I believe Boba was the only one who caught onto Han's trick. Obviously he would not want to point the Falcon out to the Empire like "hey you dumbasses! He's parked RIGHT THERE!" as he wanted to catch Han himself, to get the payment.
So by that logic, when Slave 1 floated out of the Star Destroyer, NOBODY knew it was there, except Boba himself, right? Nobody knew about the Falcon except Boba, and nobody knew about Boba being there (just an assumption really, but the most logical one).
But thats not what bothers me really. What bothers me is, how did he get from the bridge of the Executor to the Avenger in such a short amount of time? And under the noses of not just those on board the Avenger, but the rest of the fleet as well (as seen in all directions around the Avenger during the reveal of the Falcon's hiding spot)? And also under the nose of Han, who pulled the trick off in the first place.
Now, as I said, I'm not saying this needs to be fixed... but if you think on it long enough, that plot hole gets pretty big. Just thought I'd point it out.
Personally I would rather just have that damn GPS monitor in the scene! Oh wait, I said I'd let that go, didn't I...? Sorry!
Anyways... glad to hear about Bossk getting some sneer! How about IG-88? Anything added to him? More blinking lights or something?
Enigmas said:Just out of interest, does anyone happen to know where the other bounty hunters were supposed to have gone after the Falcon ninja-ed itself to the back of the SD bridge? It seems as if only Boba left. =/
I'm more curious about how Boba Fett managed to get himself AND Slave 1 from the bridge of the Executor (where he and the other bounty hunters were meeting with Vader and Piett) to the inside of the Avenger (the ship chasing the Falcon).
Hmm....
Davnes007 said:There are always ways to make it more obvious where it is...some crazier than others:
http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/robot-chicken-star-wars-9/286442
Seems like dropped lightsabers would be scary....
vaderios said:Where is ImpFighter when i need him :P
First pic. That shit that is next to vader has no purpose. We dont see it again. Or not. Correct me
Second pic the carbon chambers or where the duel begun it should be visible in some shots from behind.
And:
-Angel
What I like about the Vader shot with the building behind him is that it gives off a better contrast between Vader's black suit and the background. I think its very nice actually, as now the original shot appears flat in comparison. But if it is not accurate to have it there, then it wouldn't be a necessary change.
