oh_riginal

fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit 

I don't think that would make any difference at all. Obi Wan's robes were left on the Death Star, and likely was destroyed in the explosion. So by this logic, should Obi Wan not have access to his robes as a ghost?

This is sounding sillier and sillier to me suddenly... the whole debate on what a ghost gets to wear or not wear I mean! Or how old they appear, or how much hair they have... it gets to be a bit much.

But I have a question anyway: If Qui Gon is the original Jedi Force Ghost (OG: Original Ghost!), and thus taught Yoda and Obi Wan how to also become force ghosts, then why is Vader able to do the same, since he never learned this technique?

Related question: Why isn't Qui Gon not there with Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan? Yeah, he doesn't know Luke, and Luke would only be confused if he saw a strange Jedi standing there, but he is still the only other Jedi (non-EU) to be able to do this.

Reminds me of this old mock up that has been on youtube for quite some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIZZyIgpco

(I did not make it)

Looking at this mock up, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, since in the edit, Luke looks away before Qui Gon appears... perhaps it could be interpreted that he appeared to observe what he so strongly believed in: Seeing Anakin's success in balancing the force.

Ah, early morning ramblings... I get carried away, sorry folks!

DuTwan said:

Davnes007 said:

What I think of the whole "Anakin's Hair" idea.

Don't hate me...

Haha dont worry i dont hate you at all. Was just an idea i had and did it, ppl found it funny whereas i didnt mean it in a humorous way just kinda get hayden/sebastian mix lol

 

Assuming that Yoda and Obi Wan are dressed in the same clothes they had on when they died, then logically, shouldn't Vader appear the same?

Not the most peaceful looking Jedi ghost... but whatever!

Ripplin said:

What is the rationale of the long hair? He had shaggy hair when young, then became bald and stayed that way until he became a 'ghost.' So is The Force determining what the length of his hair would be when he's dead, or did Anakin choose his hairstyle when he entered the afterlife? ("I'd like it straight and parted to the side, please.") ;) The mock-ups are fun, but I don't see any problem in leaving Shaw exactly as he is in that scene.

We don't want him looking like James May, do we? (but if someone wants to try, go for it!)

The argument of the rationale of long hair, at least to me, can also apply to him having hair at all! He died bald... why is he not bald??

Just a thought.

I've been somewhat thinking about this mock up off and on since it appeared... I think it MIGHT work, but based on the shot of when Luke is crawling out away from Vader, the angle suggests that if the building were to be seen at all in the background, I don't think it would be so much in the center. Perhaps more to the left?

Old topic, I know, but it's been on my mind again today.

Amok said:

Anyways, on the cloaking device debate:  Just seconds earlier we hear the imperial officer say "no ship this size has a cloaking device". It would be weird to have Boba's ship go into cloaking mode just moments afterwards. The scene also shows that while Han is able to outsmart the empire, he has met his match with Boba, who uses the same tactic on him.

There's a debate? I only made that mock up cause someone requested it and I thought it sounded fun to do! Sorry if anyone thought I was seriously suggesting it should be used.

Though as someone else already mentioned, seeing Slave 1 use a cloaking device would actually make Captain Needa's line have a whole new meaning... to have a real meaning besides being a throwaway line, actually! And would show that Captain Needa didn't really know as much about cloaking devices as he thought he did, and making Imperial Officers look pretty bad in the process.

BUT... as I said already, my mock up was never meant to be taken seriously as a consideration for adding to ESB:R. (ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE! Just saying....)

Davnes007 said:

A Lucas/Spielberg Co-Production

A James Cameron Film

Starring Jar-Jar Binks as

"The Terminator"

Coming To A Theater Near You

Summer 2010

So will T2 have Jar-Jar return, only to face... The Ewok-1000?

vaderios said:

^Crap!I have enough headaches for now :P

 

Ben_danger said once:

"I always thought the emperors throne room would look interesting with a purple hue."

I didnt noticed that the throne room had some purple hue from its own in some SE shots :)

 I will not mention the copy paste :) but how i hate the red shadows.

-Angel

I've always hated that shot, when the Falcon turns, the SD's seem... off.

SilverWook said:

I think Adywan has the best idea though. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4D-gYagJPA

I think we've all seen that one by now. I believe this thread is about coming up with ideas for how to kill Jar Jar in ESB.

It's like someone said earlier, to make Jar Jar the "Kenny" of Star Wars!

Fun stuff, indeed!

This is an awesome thread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-wFb9DU0SQ

There's my idea, visualized!

vaderios said:

oh_riginal said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTy2fYds5v4

YES! awesome man! it looks alien and demon too :D

I love your ideas! keep them coming!

I hope ady still have his tracking points saved :)

 

-Angel

 

I actually used a photo of a horse's eye and kept the glare in the eye, because in movies, anytime glare is removed from eyes, they look dead. That's why the tiny reflection of lights is never digitally removed from actors eyes and such. But the glare ended up being too big, and sort of creates that alien/demon look... strange side effect of my mock up, but not bad.

With the exception of the cloaked Slave 1 mock up, I usually find myself hoping Ady will take some of these ideas and improve upon them too!

I remember a long while back, someone (I forget who, sorry) mentioned changing the eyes of the Taun Taun to appear more animal-like...

... well, here's my mock up attempt at doing just that. Though it didn't come out quite how I expected... the Tuan Taun has eyes that appear more alien than horse or cow, but since I put in all this work (it was pretty tedious), then I am going to share it, even if it isn't the best mock up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTy2fYds5v4

fishmanlee said:

oh_riginal
It was always there, since 1980... and you're just now noticing today!

 

No, not really. I threw in Boba Fett's laugh from AOTC (technically it's still the same character, and is almost like a call-back to AOTC), but with the pitch lowered to sound less like a kid's voice.  

 

 why dont you use the one from lego star wars?
 its the new voice of jango (morrison) though

I didn't make the mock up as a true fan edit idea. It was just for fun on my part, which was why I added in the laugh at all. Otherwise, I would have left the ending of the scene as is.

EyeShotFirst said:

adywan said:

Ok i have to put an end to this. I though all this would have died out ages ago.

Your so gullible. lol. Killing Lando was never going to be part of my edit, but was being considered as a special feature only. Only the PT will be getting ripped apart. There will be some changes in jedi but none will be drastic in a way that will change the story. Yes there will be a new ending but that's being kept a secret. The Lando thing came about because so many people kept asking about the ending so i made one up.

Don't hate me :)

Just when I was getting to like that idea LOL.

 

I'm glad it wasn't a real idea for ROTJ:R, myself. I didn't like that idea at all... but I also am not one to tell fan editors what they can or cannot do!

I'd say this thread really doesn't have much going for it at all anymore. Let's put a spork in it!

Enigmas said:

Neat! It would be a funny jab at the quality of Imperial intelligence if  "a ship that size"  did have a cloaking device.

 

That's actually a funny way to look at it, which almost justifies adding it into any other fan edit that is not ESB:R!

If anyone does their own edit, feel free to take any ideas I come up with if you like them. That's why I do them in the first place... though I'm still somewhat bummed about not being able to get a hold of a good high quality image of the Falcon dashboard, even now!

And apologies all around for going off topic... but now even I'm starting to run out of ideas for fixes to add to ESB:R!

The Golden Idol said:

oh_riginal said:

rcb said:

vaderios said:

If Maul's Ship have A cloak device then why not Boba's one :) Heck with EU lol

 

-Angel

 

 

 that would be cool. instead of fett's ship flying so close, as it gets closer it cloaks itself. anybody up for a mock up? anyone?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IidT7qvG1Y

How about that?

I'm not suggesting it should be in ESB:R, but the mock up idea sounded too fun to not do!

 

 Did you add the quiet laugh, or was it always there and I never noticed?

It was always there, since 1980... and you're just now noticing today!

No, not really. I threw in Boba Fett's laugh from AOTC (technically it's still the same character, and is almost like a call-back to AOTC), but with the pitch lowered to sound less like a kid's voice. Why? No reason. Just having fun with editing! There is also some subtle audio changes to when Slave 1 gets close to the camera, as a sort of sound effect for the ship's cloak kicking in.

Also, another change that nobody seemed to notice in the last few Falcon mockups that I've done is that the engine remains blue consistently.

rcb said:

vaderios said:

If Maul's Ship have A cloak device then why not Boba's one :) Heck with EU lol

 

-Angel

 

 

 that would be cool. instead of fett's ship flying so close, as it gets closer it cloaks itself. anybody up for a mock up? anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IidT7qvG1Y

How about that?

I'm not suggesting it should be in ESB:R, but the mock up idea sounded too fun to not do!

adywan said:

Ok i have to put an end to this. I though all this would have died out ages ago.

Your so gullible. lol. Killing Lando was never going to be part of my edit, but was being considered as a special feature only. Only the PT will be getting ripped apart. There will be some changes in jedi but none will be drastic in a way that will change the story. Yes there will be a new ending but that's being kept a secret. The Lando thing came about because so many people kept asking about the ending so i made one up.

Don't hate me :)

No story changes... okay I can see that.

Do timeline changes count? I've been quite fond of the whole idea of Luke being on Dagobah before going to Jabba's, that has been going around the forum... it make's it seem like Luke has been training a lot between ESB and ROTJ, rather than Luke fulfilling his promise to return, which even as a kid I thought was kinda lame, storywise.

adywan said:

Ok i have to put an end to this. I though all this would have died out ages ago.

Your so gullible. lol. Killing Lando was never going to be part of my edit, but was being considered as a special feature only. Only the PT will be getting ripped apart. There will be some changes in jedi but none will be drastic in a way that will change the story. Yes there will be a new ending but that's being kept a secret. The Lando thing came about because so many people kept asking about the ending so i made one up.

Don't hate me :)

Longest April Fool's Joke ever?

adywan said:

oh_riginal said:

This seems like something Ady would have already caught (IF he considered it a continuity error)... but I did not see it listed anywhere as a fix, so...

... I took it upon myself to do a mockup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4_tZ6Yd9fs

Even in 1997, the SE shot bothered me, not because it was poorly done, but because it seems to break continuity! In one shot, the Falcon and Slave 1 pull out of the garbage trail... only to wind up back in it again!

Deja vu? Groundhog day? Hmm...

i haven't listed it as a fix because the scene is being changed

 

Well that's a reply I wasn't expecting! Very interesting....

This seems like something Ady would have already caught (IF he considered it a continuity error)... but I did not see it listed anywhere as a fix, so...

... I took it upon myself to do a mockup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4_tZ6Yd9fs

Even in 1997, the SE shot bothered me, not because it was poorly done, but because it seems to break continuity! In one shot, the Falcon and Slave 1 pull out of the garbage trail... only to wind up back in it again!

Deja vu? Groundhog day? Hmm...

adywan said:

Now back to seriousness.....

The millennium falcon in the garbage is going to be fixed so it will look more natural without the sudden pause

 

If there were Ewoks in my house, they would be celebrating... and if a Palpatine statue were standing in my living room, it would be getting shoved down right now... I'm expecting a couple Jedi ghosts to appear and smile around for no reason at any moment!

Davnes007 said:

I have a grander vision in mind. Something like the stage shows in "Strip Tease", or "Showgirls".

 

How about footage of Natalie Portman in "Closer"?

Oh wait, people would assume she is Padme, and wonder why she is still alive, still young, and now a stripper in Jabba's palace!

Davnes007 said:

oh_riginal said:

Davnes007 said:

An easy way to  fix it would be to have the engines glow a bit earlier.

 

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECokbNJCkM

Something like that, but have the engines slowly 'warm up'....not just 'turn on'.

I tried recreating it just now, with a slower "warm up" like you said... but it ended up looking too similar to the first attempt anyway. The Falcon simply doesn't "freeze" long enough for a warm up to look "natural". It's too brief for a convincing warm up. I literally can only say "one-one thousand" during the time that the Falcon stops floating until it's engine's boost off. One second is way too short.

The float version is the better looking fix, in my opinion.

Davnes007 said:

An easy way to  fix it would be to have the engines glow a bit earlier.

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECokbNJCkM

Personally, I prefer my other mockup video... where the Falcon continues to float instead. The Falcon doesn't sit idle long enough, so it kinda looks weird to me when the engine turns on and it sits two seconds then flies off.

So, if I had to pick, this would be the fix I would go with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-2v7KIQ5s

But hey, both are there to compare now, so you can all decide for yourselves...

Docta Nick said:

oh_riginal said:

So, any thoughts on fixing the paused Falcon among the garbage?

Here is an example of what it may look like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-2v7KIQ5s

This is an issue I've never noticed, despite seeing the movie countless times in my life... until last week. Now it bugs the hell out of me!

 

 

 Well it's supposed to be "floating away" with the rest of the garbage just like Solo said ain't it? I think it's fine as it is.

Well that's the whole point... it CEASES to float! Watch the video closer and you'll see what I mean.

vaderios said:

A better flow can be done. or match the flare when it stops moving backwards..

 

-Angel

This is the next mockup I'm planning on doing! We'll see how it turns out later today.

Either way, the shot, as it is, bugs me... sorry EyeShotFirst!