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#369377
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Ripplin said:
ChainsawAsh said:

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I want to see that scene so badly now ...

Was it actually filmed as a "scene" or just as a quick cut to a guy at the gun, then back to the regular stuff? It would be great if there was footage of him firing and such.

 

There is no doubt it must have been filmed, since that still exists. So much footage from major movies like Star Wars are never seen, even in DVD extras and such.

In my imagination, a re-done or brand new Falcon sequence could be similar to the opening of ROTS, with the camera following the Falcon similar to how it followed the Jedi Starfighters... and the top and bottom guns could be firing in all directions, taking out everything within radius....

But that would be an insanely difficult sequence to create in a fan-edit I would think!

 

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#369363
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Docta Nick said:
The Golden Idol said:
adywan said:
professa said:
adywan said:

There is a high possibility that once all 6 movies are finished i will never watch the Star Wars saga movies ever again.

that sounds like you're including your own edits in that statement!

is that what you meant?????

yes. i haven't watched ANH:R since i finished the DVD.

 

 

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you were never going to watch the originals/SE DVDs ever again.

You mean after putting so much work into these edits, you won't even enjoy the end products?

That's what most directors do with their movies I beleive, I mean they enjoy them, but rarely watch em

 

Editors too. I get sick of watching projects I put together, even if I have a strong interest in them to begin with.

 

Back on topic: I remember this being mentioned, but I don't remember if Ady confirmed or denied using the idea, but what are the chances of using the ESB DVD menu shot of the Falcon approaching Cloud City? In the menu version the camera pans to follow the Falcon, while in the actual movie it cuts from one angle to the other without panning. I like the menu version a bit better, and its a nice looking shot too, if it could be usable.

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#369362
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Darth Lars said:
oh_riginal said: 
It might be a HUGE stretch to pull it off, but if there could be Rebel Troops placed in the seats of the Falcon's guns (similar to Luke and Han sitting in the seats in ANH) that would be cool to see too. But it might be easier to just have the Falcon's guns shown firing from exterior shots.

There was a deleted scene of just that.

Airen Cracken at the Battle of Endor

 

 

Would be nice if Ady or anyone else had access to this footage! Even if it were just a quick shot, its all that would be needed to establish that there are, indeed, other Rebels in the Falcon besides Lando and the others in the cockpit!

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#369300
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Rhikter said:
Yeah, I actually still think that TPM, has the best acting out of the entire PT, and even though I didn't mind Jar Jar at the time (I'm myself was 9 as well) I today am angered by him.  Not, so much because he is annoying, but more because of something Ahmed Best said; that Jar Jar reminded him of being a child and feeling like an outcast, and how he was excited to have Jar Jar grow up throughout the movies and become an honorable and respected character.  Did any of this happen?  No!  I think that is tragic.  Now, Jar Jar will forever be the outcast child that nobody likes.  I'm sure there are many of us that can sympathize with that plight, and we should have been able to sympathize with Jar Jar throughout the PT, but Lucas and team botched it.

On a lighter note, I like battle droids, but only TPM battle droids when they talked all monotone and didn't really have emotion, which made them seem like more of a credible threat.  I would like to see them re -dubbed in that fashion.

 

. . . I just went very off topic didn't I?

Yes, that is a bit off topic! But I would like to take this opportunity to do a brief comparison between the OT and the PT alien sidekicks:

In the OT, Chewbacca, at least in my opinion, doesn't change very much between ANH and ROTJ. He's loyal to Han, and doesn't really do anything to evolve as an individual character. I have no doubt that ANH Chewie would be just as willing to go into Jabba's palace to rescue Han, and all that jazz. Maybe Chewie changes vicariously through Han (who DOES have a major character arc in the trilogy), but not any direct change.

I too remember hearing somewhere that Lucas planned to have an overall arc in the trilogy for Jar-Jar Binks, with him being how he is in TPM, and becoming a stronger, more sympathetic character by the time he reached ROTS. However, the fan backlash seemed to have changed that altogether, and Jar-Jar was reduced to nothing but a cameo in ROTS, and in AOTC as the only person willing to give Palpatine the power to use a clone army... making Jar-Jar partially responsible for the downfall of the Republic, in a sense.

Mighty big change in Lucas' plans for Jar-Jar's trilogy arc, huh?

Despite lacking a true arc, Chewie STILL remains a beloved character. But hey, Chewie is cool.

I also agree that the droids in TPM weren't all that bad. In most fan-edits of TPM, the droids are toned down just enough to be better (best example: "Uh, uh... you're under arrest!"), and they aren't too bad in AOTC really, since their lines were reduced compared to TPM... but ROTS droids are simply ridiculous. Its a shame that the Clone Wars versions reflect ROTS so much in behavior.

In comparsion, the Stormtroopers in the OT aren't nearly as bad, though they occasionally bring some humor on their behalf, its never silly like the PT droids. Though I still think the PT did a better job with Clone Troopers by making them appear as badass as their rep, compared to the Stormtroopers, which never really came across as too threatening, with the exception being their entrance to Leia's ship in ANH.

 

Okay, now to get back on topic: I'd like to see more use of the top and bottom guns of the Falcon... in ROTJ, as it is, it always appears as if the Falcon only has one gun, shooting from the front almost. It would be nice to see the Falcon flying through a bunch of TIEs, with the gunners taking them out, which would make the Falcon appear even more badass in the big space battle, since it could attack in all directions, regardless of which direction Lando is flying. Just a thought.

It might be a HUGE stretch to pull it off, but if there could be Rebel Troops placed in the seats of the Falcon's guns (similar to Luke and Han sitting in the seats in ANH) that would be cool to see too. But it might be easier to just have the Falcon's guns shown firing from exterior shots.

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#368968
Topic
The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Monroville said:
oh_riginal said:
Monroville said:

My point is simply for comparison.  I do not think anything is going to be changed in EMPIRE:R regarding the end with the Executor, as that argument was made many moons ago with Ady stating that nothing needed to be changed.

 

But this thread isn't for ESB:R. I stayed on topic and never brought up ESB:R. I'm just saying what could be changed in ANH:R, just as the topic of the thread suggests.

I'm not talking about EMPIRE:R.  I am making a reference that is similar in nature: the Falcon is out of range of the TIE even though it is pretty close (and in JEDI the Falcon is shooting TIEs out of the sky pretty quickly at roughly the same viewable range) and the Executor is out of range of tractor beam usage even though the Falcon is scratching their paint.

The topic was the far-fetchedness of the TIE being out of range when they could clearly see it and I just made a similar comparison that happens in another SW movie.  The bottom line is that silly things happen in STAR WARS and some of it we just have to either live with or re-edit in some way to satisfy our niggles.

 

I'm just saying, the topic of the thread is what else can be done if one were to add more re-edits to ANH:R, and this is one thing I would change, by making the TIE further away when Han is speaking the line about being almost in range. Thats all I was saying.

I'm only comparing the TIE distance in ANH and ROTJ, not the Star Destroyer distance in ESB, since it isn't clear if the Star Destroyer had a blind spot, or whatever was going on in that scene. At least by comparing the scenes in ANH and ROTJ, it is a direct comparison, since both scenes involve the Falcon and a TIE fighter. I think there is nothing wrong with the Falcon being able to blast TIEs at that distance, so if one were to do ANH:R:R, I think it would only be logical to let that TIE gain a lot of distance before Han decides he wants to blast it.

I'm not trying to argue or anything, but your first reply to my post suggested that I might as well not think about it, since that's just how Star Wars is. But the topic of the thread is what additional changes should/could be made, so I took it as you were telling me to ignore the topic of the thread, hence the defensive replies afterward.

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#368644
Topic
The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Monroville said:

My point is simply for comparison.  I do not think anything is going to be changed in EMPIRE:R regarding the end with the Executor, as that argument was made many moons ago with Ady stating that nothing needed to be changed.

 

But this thread isn't for ESB:R. I stayed on topic and never brought up ESB:R. I'm just saying what could be changed in ANH:R, just as the topic of the thread suggests.

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#368535
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The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Monroville said:
oh_riginal said:

The only issue I still have with ANH:R is when the Falcon comes out of lightspeed in the Alderaan System, and is passed up by a TIE Fighter. The Falcon follows VERY CLOSE to the TIE for a long time, while Han says things like:

"I think I can get him before he gets there. He's almost in range."

Yet we see the Falcon easily fire upon TIE's in ROTJ at around the same distance, very accurately and easily!

If I were ever to do a follow-up re-edit on ANH:R myself, I'd put a lot more distance between the Falcon and the TIE in the Alderaan asteroid scene.

Note: I'm surprised this wasn't brought up before....

Well, it's just like how at the end of EMPIRE the Falcon is damn near making a drive-thru burger order with the Executor and yet they are STILL not in range of the tractor beam.  Even in that dreaded argument a few months back, I just watched EMPIRE on Spike recently and sure enough the Falcon passes in front of the Executor nose (if that is the only location for a tractor beam on a ship 11 to 12 miles long, with hanger bays roughly 5 to 6 miles from the nose) for good 5 to 10 seconds if not longer before jumping away.

All I can say is it's STAR WARS and there's no point in arguing about it...

 

 

But isn't the purpose of this thread to point out what else can be fixed post-ANH:R?

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#368469
Topic
The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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The only issue I still have with ANH:R is when the Falcon comes out of lightspeed in the Alderaan System, and is passed up by a TIE Fighter. The Falcon follows VERY CLOSE to the TIE for a long time, while Han says things like:

"I think I can get him before he gets there. He's almost in range."

Yet we see the Falcon easily fire upon TIE's in ROTJ at around the same distance, very accurately and easily!

If I were ever to do a follow-up re-edit on ANH:R myself, I'd put a lot more distance between the Falcon and the TIE in the Alderaan asteroid scene.

Note: I'm surprised this wasn't brought up before....

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#368267
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
Time
Darth Chronus said:

 

I think the part of that gantry that Vader sliced through (after being slightly cut by Luke - ''Argh! Aaargh!'') should have some sparks coming from it after Vader goes on to 'attack' Luke.

By the way I don't normally advertise my YouTube videos - but here's my latest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce07wUVsBHU

It's a music video re-edit of one of my first music videos that I made back in 2006. It includes clips from the masterpiece that is A New Hope: Revisited and also some taken from the TESB:R trailer :)

I think someone made a mock up picture of glowy hot metal saber cuts during the Vader/Luke duel. I'm too lazy to locate them in this thread though.

On a similar note, I recently brought up that I would like to see a glowing saber cut on the bottom of the AT-AT, when Luke is tossing a grenade inside. Somewhat similar topic you can say.

 

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#368250
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Bingowings said:

oh_riginal said:

I don't think "balance" is meant to be taken literally, in regards to Jedi/Sith population. It's not nearly "philosophical" enough for either faction. I think what is meant by "balance" would be something like "all is well in the universe" or something along those lines. The dark side throws off the balance.

But I'm not the one with the final word, as none of this was really explained in any of the prequels clearly. That's just my interpretation.

We can all agree on "Blessed are the cheesemakers" though can't we?

 

There's some dude in a waiter outfit in my dreams carrying a tray full of cheese, randomly popping up and offering some....

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#368236
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Bingowings said:
oh_riginal said:
fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit

 

I don't think that would make any difference at all. Obi Wan's robes were left on the Death Star, and likely was destroyed in the explosion. So by this logic, should Obi Wan not have access to his robes as a ghost?

This is sounding sillier and sillier to me suddenly... the whole debate on what a ghost gets to wear or not wear I mean! Or how old they appear, or how much hair they have... it gets to be a bit much.

But I have a question anyway: If Qui Gon is the original Jedi Force Ghost (OG: Original Ghost!), and thus taught Yoda and Obi Wan how to also become force ghosts, then why is Vader able to do the same, since he never learned this technique?

Related question: Why isn't Qui Gon not there with Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan? Yeah, he doesn't know Luke, and Luke would only be confused if he saw a strange Jedi standing there, but he is still the only other Jedi (non-EU) to be able to do this.

 

Reminds me of this old mock up that has been on youtube for quite some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIZZyIgpco

(I did not make it)

Looking at this mock up, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, since in the edit, Luke looks away before Qui Gon appears... perhaps it could be interpreted that he appeared to observe what he so strongly believed in: Seeing Anakin's success in balancing the force.

Ah, early morning ramblings... I get carried away, sorry folks!

Maybe the boy got it right in the first place:

Anakin : "No one can kill a Jedi."

Qui-Gon : "I wish that were so".

Perhaps in his raw untrained state he was more atuned to the true nature of the Force than he ever was as a Jedi or a Sith.

He is described in the prequels a some sort of mechansism for resetting the balance of the Force (thousands of Jedi and two Sith, two Sith and two Jedi, when one takes on an apprentice another Jedi is killed to correct the balance, when another dies he kills a Sith his roles seem to match even the rank of the Jedi/Sith involved Master for Master, Apprentice for Apprentice).

Where that leaves his children is wide open question but with his job done he can now take his place in Jedi Valhalla and turn up now and then for social calls.

I know this belongs more on the Radical Redux thread but with Qui-Gon being a bit of a herald of the chosen one in the linear TPM plan I dropped in over there it might make sense to have Qui-Gon gain the knowledge of Force Haunting from the same source of inspiration as where he got his intuitions about Anakin from.

 

 

 

I don't think "balance" is meant to be taken literally, in regards to Jedi/Sith population. It's not nearly "philosophical" enough for either faction. I think what is meant by "balance" would be something like "all is well in the universe" or something along those lines. The dark side throws off the balance.

But I'm not the one with the final word, as none of this was really explained in any of the prequels clearly. That's just my interpretation.

Still, I think it would be cool to see Qui Gon make one final appearance in the final moments of ROTJ. It would be like he was really observing the entire saga all along, since he was killed.

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#368216
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit 

 

I don't think that would make any difference at all. Obi Wan's robes were left on the Death Star, and likely was destroyed in the explosion. So by this logic, should Obi Wan not have access to his robes as a ghost?

This is sounding sillier and sillier to me suddenly... the whole debate on what a ghost gets to wear or not wear I mean! Or how old they appear, or how much hair they have... it gets to be a bit much.

But I have a question anyway: If Qui Gon is the original Jedi Force Ghost (OG: Original Ghost!), and thus taught Yoda and Obi Wan how to also become force ghosts, then why is Vader able to do the same, since he never learned this technique?

Related question: Why isn't Qui Gon not there with Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan? Yeah, he doesn't know Luke, and Luke would only be confused if he saw a strange Jedi standing there, but he is still the only other Jedi (non-EU) to be able to do this.

 

Reminds me of this old mock up that has been on youtube for quite some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIZZyIgpco

(I did not make it)

Looking at this mock up, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, since in the edit, Luke looks away before Qui Gon appears... perhaps it could be interpreted that he appeared to observe what he so strongly believed in: Seeing Anakin's success in balancing the force.

Ah, early morning ramblings... I get carried away, sorry folks!

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#368177
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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DuTwan said:
Davnes007 said:

What I think of the whole "Anakin's Hair" idea.

Don't hate me...

Anakin Sky-Clown

Haha dont worry i dont hate you at all. Was just an idea i had and did it, ppl found it funny whereas i didnt mean it in a humorous way just kinda get hayden/sebastian mix lol

 

 

 

Assuming that Yoda and Obi Wan are dressed in the same clothes they had on when they died, then logically, shouldn't Vader appear the same?

Not the most peaceful looking Jedi ghost... but whatever!

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#368125
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Ripplin said:

What is the rationale of the long hair? He had shaggy hair when young, then became bald and stayed that way until he became a 'ghost.' So is The Force determining what the length of his hair would be when he's dead, or did Anakin choose his hairstyle when he entered the afterlife? ("I'd like it straight and parted to the side, please.") ;) The mock-ups are fun, but I don't see any problem in leaving Shaw exactly as he is in that scene.

We don't want him looking like James May, do we? (but if someone wants to try, go for it!)

 

The argument of the rationale of long hair, at least to me, can also apply to him having hair at all! He died bald... why is he not bald??

Just a thought.

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#367994
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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vaderios said:

Where is ImpFighter when i need him :P

First pic. That shit that is next to vader has no purpose. We dont see it again. Or not. Correct me

Second pic the carbon chambers or where the duel begun it should be visible in some shots from behind.

 

 

I've been somewhat thinking about this mock up off and on since it appeared... I think it MIGHT work, but based on the shot of when Luke is crawling out away from Vader, the angle suggests that if the building were to be seen at all in the background, I don't think it would be so much in the center. Perhaps more to the left?

Old topic, I know, but it's been on my mind again today.