I didn't see anything mentioned about this, but apologies if it has been mentioned already. Gremlins 2 has some Christopher Lee audio that may or may not fit anywhere. A favorite of mine was "I can get you diseases..." Worth a look at least.
TheDerider said:
I am extremely excited for both a taste of the Complete Saga and for the edit of Empire. Particularly because I watched Return of the Jedi's theatrical restoration yesterday, it got me thinking about what modern technology can do to movies. Adywan, I want you to know that there will be a weekend devoted entirely to Star Wars, and it is in large part your fault. :)
Additionally, I wasn't quite sure where to put this question, so I thought I would ask here, because it is related to Adywan's edits...
Has anyone made efforts to perform restoration on the deleted scenes in the Blu-Ray? I know it's an entirely different form of work than color correction, much more extensive, but it seems possible. Just very difficult. It's beyond my scope of knowledge to say what exactly needs to be done, but I just wanted to know if it had been attempted by adywan or anyone else. And yes, I am asking in large part because of 'that' lightsaber scene.
Apologies if I am off-topic.
I don't recall seeing any ESB deleted scenes that were worth inserting. ROTJ on the other hand... I'd love to see the bunker raid and the Falcon turrets added. Not sure it's possible, given their quality.
trimboNZ said:
1. When Leia is helping repair the Falcon and repeatedly tries to rotate a handle, the sound is something like two plastic blocks knocking together. This doesn't seem consistent with whatever she's trying to do (as in it sounds like no amount of force will move it.)
I agree with this. Perhaps changing it to more of a metal clanging against metal sound would work?
Tobar said:
oh_riginal said:
I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.
Couldn't have said it better.
I feel this is similar to the majority of the dialogue in the PT. however it is much harder to fix that than ANH, period.
I just feel that it flows better that once Obi Wan is aware of the stakes, he's ready to get down to business instead of beating around the bush. He's an old man and why wouldn't he want to get the ball rolling?
doubleofive said:
If I remember correctly, in the original/theatrical version, Luke and Ben talk about Luke's father for a bit, stop to watch Leia's video, then pick up with "YOU must learn the ways the of the Force if you are to come with me to Alderaan." In the scripted/Revisited version, they watch Leia's video, then stop to talk about Luke's father and the Force before deciding to go.nightstalkerpoet said:
Is there a comparison video for Ady's version of Bens hut vs original? I'm not sure exactly what was changed.
You can see Threepio moving around when he's supposed to be shut down in the original cut due to the rearranging. It was redited because the scripted version made Obi-wan not look in a hurry to rescue Leia since he listens to her message and then sits around gabbing with Luke for a few minutes before bringing it back up. A problem with the theatrical cut could be that they don't watch the message for several minutes, but that could be that they were so busy catching up that they forgot R2 was there at all.
After watching the scripted/Revisited version so often, the original/theatrical edit seems disjointed, as you can now "see" the seams where it was grafted together.
I still disagree. I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.
I'm sure Ady could fix the C-3PO errors with the many skills he picked up during ESB:R, if he wanted to.
But, it's his edit, not mine.
Tobar said:
I just really hope he reconsiders the editing of Ben's hut. If I could only have one thing from the Purist it would be leaving that scene the way it was originally.
I agree. While the way Ady edited it was to match the script, I feel the original edit makes that scene flow better. The script version drags in comparison.
Monroville said:
Regarding the update list:
Adywan said:
Overall:
6. TIEs will be blue and ANH:RHD will have blue TIEs also
I guess if they're going to get the blu(ish) treatment, will the interior of the Falcon get a color mod to match the color scheme of EMPIRE as well?
I misread this before my last post and didn't catch that it is exactly what I just asked. Sorry!
Hi Ady,
I didn't see anything in the change list regarding this topic, but will the hallway lights of the Millennium Falcon be changed to green to match ANH, or will the lights in ANH:RHD be changed to a bluish white to match ESB? I recall you stating that the cockpit lights are basically impossible to match between the two films, but it would seem to me that the hallway lights shouldn't be too difficult to fix.
Yes it is!
And no worries. I don't get offended that easily. The internet has enough people like that, so no need for me to add to the population. Originally I only tried to take one piece of Ady's quote and deleted the rest but somehow when I hit reply it was all still there. Must be an issue on my end somewhere. Apologies.
Weird. Well basically I thanked Ady for changing his mind regarding #164 on the list on page 1. I once did a mockup adding heat haze to Han's torture scene and at the time Ady wasn't too sure if it would seem right. I still like the idea so I was just expressing that I was pleased at the change.
adywan said:
TMBTM said:
While I think it's good when continuity errors are fixed I really don't think this shirt thing worths buidling a whole new life size Han in carbonite (!) Unless Adywan plans to use it for some other totaly new shots.
The shirts is something that has bothered myself and many other for years. Building a replica is the only way of fixing it really. Building just the shirt could create all sorts of problems trying to match the lighting, steam etc. Plus its something i would need to use again for ROTJ:R. But i'm only building the front face and NOT the whole unit.
ctlw83 said:
Hey, for those who are "in the know" so to speak, I'm just curious about something. In the ESB revisit, how many effect shots have been re-done/enhanced with new models, new people, etc? Basically, how much "new" footage has been needed to correct the mistakes of old and/or to enhance existing scenes?
Personally, I have always been interested in videography but, just don't have much time/money to pursue it anymore.
I would hate to start counting them just yet, but you will be able to see just how many have been replaced with the visual changes guide that will be on the blu-ray and DVD
nightstalkerpoet said:
It's funny, because I have agreed with and been amazed by just about everything Ady has thrown our way...
My one disagreement is putting ANH:R HD out before his PT:R. My kids are 1 and 2. I was hoping he'd fix the prequels before they ever had to see them :P And it's amazing what a good upconverting player can do to ANH:R.
There is plenty of ESB:R love... they're just hitting the final shots and stages, so it seems there is a little less new info rolling in.
There will be a lot of preparation needed before beginning the PT as i will be doing all 3 together. Now, while the preperation is being done, i can work on the HD version of ANH. So, even if i did leave ANH:R HD until after the prequels, you wouldn't be getting any of the PT any quicker.
Dark_Lord_of_the_Pith said:
Sharpen your pitchforks.
I was watching Episode II yesterday (yeah, on purpose!) and I noticed a small detail that I'd not seen before so I skimmed through the OT and found that it didn't occur anywhere but it's a detail I think might improve the visuals. Let me explain what I'm on about...
In the scene where Slave One pursues Obi Wan through the asteroids pay close attention to the cockpit window and you will see subtle reflections of the control panel lights in the glass. It's a small detail but I think it looks ever so slightly more "realistic" than the shots from that same ship's cockpit in Episode V. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but in a lot of the behind the scenes footage I've seen from the OT inside the Falcon, the Snow Speeders, Slave One et al cockpits there wasn't any glass built in, only the frame with the blue/green screen behind so there would have been no naturally occuring reflections. Compare the scene in Episode II with Boba following the Falcon from the garbage dump in V and hopefully you'll see what I mean. I think the addition of subtle reflections (something akin to ANHR's holo-chess table's reflections) or perhaps some grime along the window edges would bring the visuals together and make them look a little less "one stuck over another".
I know it would be a stupendous amount of work to put reflections in every window shot (or even to work out if they should be there at all) and I'm not sure your average sane person would even notice if they were there or not but I just thought I'd run it up your flagpole, see if any of you salute it.
The Slave 1 cockpit in the OT is a lot different than the one we see in ESB. For one, the displays are a lot different and brighter. And the cockpit is also a lot brighter in the PT too. this would account for the reflections showing in the PT, whereas the darkness of the cockpit in ESB may not show any reflections. (Well thats my excuse anyway. lol)
Kurgan said:
So people without a blu-ray *burner* or an Xbox 360 will still be able to watch this?
I've added the new fuller change list to the first post and this includes a list of which versions will be available.
thorr said:
Just watched clip 2.rar and it looks great! One minor observance: In the wide shot where Vader is looking out the windows, the Star Destroyer only appears in one window, but shouldn't the back of it be in the next window over similar to how it is in the blu-ray version above it? It is hard to tell if it should be there because it might be right on the edge of needing to be there.
I think it would probably be just out of view
ImperialFighter said:
Monroville said:
video posted February 5, 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Z1dsAerm0
Notice that the TIEs are not just blue but are the same exact color as the 2004 dvd ... thus the issue is still relevant.
At the risk of keeping this one going even longer, lol...only *some* of adywan's TIEs seem to be the same exact colour of the blu-ray shots seen in the latest preview.
But as I mentioned in my 2nd post on the previous page, there seems to be a noticeably 'greyer' colouration to the 'Revisited' ones seen during the comparison shot of the close-up of the Executor's underbelly, compared to some of his other shots...so I'm not sure if that's meant to look like that, or not.
Stick that Youtube comparison clip on full-screen at it's highest quality to see what I mean. Pause it if you have to, for a clearer look.
All the TIEs have been tinted with the same settings. the shade would vary depending on the lightings, which is why they may look slightly different . But never trust the colour of Youtube. Here are a few comparisons between the blu-ray and Revisited TIEs. You can see that the revisited TIEs aren't the same blue as the blu-ray versions
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108834
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108835
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108836
This is the colour i will be sticking with for the TIEs
If you want to see the colour of one of the original TIEs used in ANH then you can see it here:
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/tie-fighter-model-used-in-star.php
vbangle said:
To me Yoda should look less blue-green. But let me make this perfectly clear. This only my opinion. I know and accept that my opinon has no bearing on ADYWAN"S edit. But I am free to voice my opinion here, am I not?
Just taking a quick look out in Google Land here are a few pics that look more like I remember Yoda looking.
As compared to this...
It is my hope that Adywan will take some time and reconsider the color choices he's made for Yoda. The color differences alone in Yoda's outfit and hair color are striking...surely I'm not the only one here that thinks this?
The publicity photos can't be used as a means for getting the correct colour for Yoda and dagobah. I'm trying to get ESB, for the most part, to look how it did pre 2004. The main problem is that we have been so use to the faded print used for the GOUT that we think that this is the way it originally looked. You would be surprised just how dagaobah originally looked. The 1997 is the closest to how ESB originally looked and, thanks to puggos 16mm print, i can see that the SE is so much closer to how it originally looked than the faded GOUT/ laserdisc prints
Now you can see that i have used a balance between the SE, Puggo and GOUT for the colouring. But this also shows just how incorrect the colouring of the 2004 DVD/ Blu_ray releases is.
Dark_Lord_of_the_Pith said:
This is my first post too but I'm nice so I'll say hello first. So, hello nice to meet you all.
Now, I was wondering if you'd give me your opinions about the communication holograms. In ANHR Leia's hologram looks (to my eyes at least) completely blue in long shots but with flashes of normal colour across her face in close up. The same happens with Luke's in ROTJ save the one shot of his back that appears to be fully blue. But from what I've seen of the new Emperor hologram from TESBR it looks as though Ady has made him completely blue just as Lucasfilm did when Ian McDiarmid re-shot the scene in 2003. So with every single hologram in the PT appearing to be fully blue my question is this: Is there an official scheme Ady is using for holograms in the revisited saga, will PT holgrams be altered to match the OT or vice versa?
I've got to say that I quite prefer the PT holograms but what do the rest of you folks think?
I see the PT ones as early holograms which are black & white and the OT ones as more advanced and they now have colour ;). The emperor hologram isn't completely blue, but there wouldn't be a huge amount of colour as the Emperors face is pretty pale.
Joshua_Blue said:
Long time without an update.
I've finally completed the torture droid scene. It's not 100%, as the tracking of the mask is a bit off, so that the cell door appears to wobble a bit, but other than that it is as I intended. NO PROBE! Vader enters and tells Leia that they will discuss the location of the plans, Leia looks towards the door and the door closes.
I will fix the door mask tracking problem later, currently I want to move on to other scenes. I'll post the new video clip soon.
Hi, first time posting in this thread. I just want to say that this is one of those "why didn't I think of this idea" type of ideas! Though Vader DID use machinery to torture Han in ESB, Vader himself could be a torture device if he wanted. Nice idea and I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Bingowings said:
A total background replacement would be very tricky with all that steam and the actors shifting around in front of it and I'm not sure it would look better.
I agree, it wouldn't really be worth the trouble. Besides, I like the "web" appearance... cause Luke walked right into Vader's trap!
Monroville said:
I also like Angel's idea of adding snow impact FX around the AT-AT feet during movement.
+1
adywan said:
oh_riginal said:
adywan said:
Now i need to go back and read through a lot of pages to try and catch up.
I would like to take this opportunity to bring up old mock-up ideas that I made, and see if you would like to use them in ESB:R or not.
Vader's saber spark with smoke and added audio change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF-mZxhprVQ
Han Solo's cave locating skills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKGFj5OYY9Q
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4An0G1pFiU
I had other mockups, but I recall you saying you would not use them. These are the only ones I think you didn't state an opinion for originally, so I thought I'd dig them up.
I'm pretty sure i did answer these two. I remember saying i added a flash in that shot already and the Han/ locating cave thing never bothered me because he could always have seen it on the sensors.
Oh sorry if you already answered. I missed it before.
Jaitea said:
muddyknees2000 said:
oh_riginal said:
Han Solo's cave locating skills:
This is something that has always bothered me as well
It's never bothered me....Han is an experienced gambler, he doesn't disclose how he knows whats in the next crater.....he was most likely using the information that the Falcons sensor arrays were displaying.....he plays it cool
J
I suppose the "bonus mockup" at the end of the first video might fall in line with this? Perhaps I'll try a new version of that idea to see how it works.
adywan said:
Now i need to go back and read through a lot of pages to try and catch up.
I would like to take this opportunity to bring up old mock-up ideas that I made, and see if you would like to use them in ESB:R or not.
Vader's saber spark with smoke and added audio change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF-mZxhprVQ
Han Solo's cave locating skills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKGFj5OYY9Q
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4An0G1pFiU
I had other mockups, but I recall you saying you would not use them. These are the only ones I think you didn't state an opinion for originally, so I thought I'd dig them up.
oh_riginal said:
Okay, now to get back on topic: I'd like to see more use of the top and bottom guns of the Falcon... in ROTJ, as it is, it always appears as if the Falcon only has one gun, shooting from the front almost. It would be nice to see the Falcon flying through a bunch of TIEs, with the gunners taking them out, which would make the Falcon appear even more badass in the big space battle, since it could attack in all directions, regardless of which direction Lando is flying. Just a thought.
It might be a HUGE stretch to pull it off, but if there could be Rebel Troops placed in the seats of the Falcon's guns (similar to Luke and Han sitting in the seats in ANH) that would be cool to see too. But it might be easier to just have the Falcon's guns shown firing from exterior shots.
Now that the Blu-rays are released, and that the rebel gunners are shown using the turrets in the deleted scenes, perhaps this old idea of mine can become a reality for ROTJ:R or in anyone else's fanedit!
Jaitea said:
Sorry I couldn't help myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-inQZuHE3I
J
EDIT: the youtube encoding doesn't really show much detail of the particular frame
Impressive. Most impressive.
I think I'll try adding a similar effect if I make a 3rd attempt at the mockup! Fun stuff.
BuddhaMaster said:
Angel said:
oh_riginal said:
However, nothing visual happens during the strike to the floor. No sparks, no light from sparks, nothing.
In later scenes when Luke and Vader's sabers strike walls and handrails, there are either sparks or cuts. The same for Return of the Jedi when Luke hits the handrails before defeating Vader, there were sparks flying each time his saber hit the handrails.
I would have done a mockup, but I wouldn't know how to create sparks, if they would be visible. But if no sparks would be visible, at least the flash of light from the sparks should be, right?
Hell sure, why not?
-Angel
I usually hate obvious and flashy CGI, but that looks horny!
If this can be put out in motion I might be satisfied a lot.
I made a video mockup before, but here is a 2nd version I made recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF-mZxhprVQ
I hope Ady will like it and try to make a better version for ESB:R.
Captain Antilles said:
I also think that darkening the Star Destroyer makes it look more realistic and less model-like.
+1
I liked this idea the first time it was brought up. Would love to see it in ESB:R, or even in just a mockup.
Here is a mockup video for adding sparks and a change in the sound effect of Vader's lightsaber hitting the floor as Luke dives out of the way in their duel in The Empire Strikes Back.
timdiggerm said:
Hey guys, should all this recent mockup stuff be in ESB:R or ESB/ROTJ Wishlist, or an entirely new thread, similar to the ANH:Redux thread?
I doubt it's the first one, because we're not Adywan.
A few years back, mockups used to be posted quite a bit in this thread as suggestions for Ady. I used to post them back then as well.
Kinda sad to not see mockups as often as before, but with ESB being observed to death by everyone that did the mockups, I'm sure most of the ideas were already thought up since then!
But yeah, the mockup would also fit in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist. I'll post it there as well.
TV's Frink said:
The other option would be to simply remove the sound effect - I don't think it's terribly obvious he hit the floor otherwise.
True, though it might take something away from Vader as a threat?
I also added a spark sound in the mockup. It is possible that just the change of the sound alone would fix it, without adding sparks.
I made an attempt to do a mockup of the spark idea for Vader's saber striking the floor. Here it is:
