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#249236
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Info Wanted: Splittin Heirs preservation question (for a custom fan edit)....
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Finally, a Python preservation project more pointless than Yellowbeard!



Again, I'm amazed that people care about crap like this when there's so much rare good Python stuff about.


I've never heard of anything for this movie (because, again, who cares) - maybe Eric was on some talk show or something, but I don't have anything, and if I don't have anything, probably no one has anything.


Make it a trilogy with Missing Pieces and Nuns on the Run!


Christ almighty.
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#249043
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Idea: Monty Python's Life of Brian Ultimate DVD request....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249043/action/topic#249043
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You're apparently new here, so I'll not be as annoyed as I ought to be.


What you're suggesting is bootlegging - taking what's on two easily-bought commercially-released DVDs, and adding nothing, just copying the commercially-released material.


This is not a bootlegging forum. This is a preservation forum. People are supposed to be making THEIR OWN EDITS of material, their OWN DVDs, and preserving things that are NOT COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE.



Think about what you're doing and saying.

The mods have all rights to close this thread.
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#248883
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Idea: Monty Python's Life of Brian Ultimate DVD request....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248883/action/topic#248883
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Speaking as your resident Python expert (trust me on that), this is a dumb idea. The Criterion Life of Brian is great.

PAL transfers of feature films will be sped up, and won't look as good on an NTSC system anyway, but the Criterion transfer is quite good, certainly acceptable to anyone, and any attempt to improve on it is, well, silly.


That said, again as your resident Python expert, here's some Life of Brian stuff you won't see on the official DVD, that I happen to have.

Well, first there's the wonderful soundtrack album, which features Graham Chapman and Eric Idle babbling on about nothing. There's also an hourlong CD with the Pythons (bootleg) where they talk about the Life of Brian controversy.

Clips from the heated discussion the Pythons had with religious leaders on TV appear in many documentaries, such as the recent Python "comedy connections."

Two audio-only sketches deleted from Life of Brian appear on the bootleg Python CD, Hastily Cobbled Together For a Quick Buck .... which is usually downloadable from my PythoNET.org site.

The sketches are "Otto's Suicide Squad" - a specially remixed version of the cut scene from the film, with exaggerated album-like sound effects, strange to hear .... it's followed by a much longer version of the Suicide Squad song.

Second sketch - "Psychopath." Rewritten to appear in modern day, this was actually a Life of Brian deleted sketch.

During the time of the Python 30th anniversary celebration on the BBC, the annoying Jonathan Ross hosted a documentary about the deleted scenes from Life of Brian, interviewing Terry Jones, who provides live commentary on the cut scenes. Got this on VHS somewhere. I believe it's from the Paramount Comedy Channel.

The various documentaries on Python have focused a segment on Life of Brian .... in the 30th anniversary celebration on BBC2, we got a discussion of Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, which Eric Idle extended for the VHS/DVD release with a clip of him performing the song on "Top of the Pops."

The entire Top of the Pops clip, which is embarrassing as all hell, in that cheesy modern-day-Eric-Idle way, used to be on my website somewhere, as an RM file I believe. I still have the file, but never had it on VHS or anything.

There was also a "music video" of Bright Side of Life edited to clips from the Flying Circus, which I probably had as a file at some point, probably have the file somewhere.


The Life of Brian script book, which I don't have, has been reprinted and can be scanned. It's got a lot of strange material in it besides the film script.


As a ridiculously minor point, I have a copy of the Suicide Squad deleted scene somewhere which is a second longer than you see on the DVD. You hear Judith say "Brian?" and Brian turns to look at her, linking into what we see in the final film. Very bad quality. I had these deleted scenes for years before they ever turned up on a DVD.



OH!

Most important thing. There's a travelogue film narrated by John Cleese called Away From It All. It aired before Life of Brian in many theaters, and was never released after that. I get letters about it all the time. I had it as a file at my website (and still have it somewhere), but I've lost my actual VHS copy of it somehow ....

It's very funny - it's all stock footage, and has John Cleese becoming slowly but surely more annoyed and frustrated as he narrates the travelogue. Particularly when talking about Venice. "More fucking gondolas." A "slow burn" so to speak.




Trying to think of anything else.

I've got the deleted "Satan Animation" from a Flying Circus episode - deleted with the help of John Cleese due to its controversial nature, this might fit with Life of Brian.

Anyway.


As yer resident Python expert I am annoyed beyond belief that people obsess over the Python films yet don't seem to care about tracking down lost/unreleased episodes of At Last the 1948 Show (I have three unreleased ones), or all of Rutland Weekend Television (14 episodes. Followup to Flying Circus by Eric Idle. It's classic. Better than his Python work. You haven't seen it).

Or the little deleted scenes from Flying Circus for that matter.

There's good Python you haven't seen, folks. Just letting you know.

What about the lyrical beauty of Terry Jones' The Wind in the Willows (US title Mr. Toad's Wild Ride)? Or the equally lyrical beauty of Neil Innes' The Innes Book of Records?

Yes Python fans, isn't it time you discovered the Bonzo Dog (Doo Dah) Band?

Are you excited about the CD release of Hastily Cobbled Together For a Fast Buck? Had you heard the album already? Had you heard 1948 Show sketches which now only exist as audio? Have you heard the albums in general?

Are you excited that they've found a copy of Out of the Trees?

Had you heard of any of this stuff?


Yeah, years ago I was a Python internet guy. People sent me stuff, a lot of stuff, that I was amazed I hadn't heard of before. My experience of Python became different from most people's .... I was a fan of all the more obscure stuff, not the obvious films and TV series.




British comedy in general - when you're an American, it takes some effort to actually be up on what's going on over there. Most British comedy, even the really popular stuff, doesn't get released over here, so generally, even though I try to keep up, I have to randomly get packages from British friends to see ANYTHING.

If you read your average brain-dead entertainment magazine (like, say Entertainment Weekly), their knowledge of Britcom seems to jump from Python to Blackadder (or AbFab) to The Office.

We need so much more, we need our Young Ones and Bottom, our Day Today, Brass Eye and Jam, our Knowing Me Knowing You and I'm Alan Partridge, our Red Dwarf of course (and even The Strangerers), our Spaced, our Big Train, our Look Around You ... Darkplace and Nighty Night (series 1 at least), People Like Us, The Smoking Room, Peep Show ....

I dig my Britcom.
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#248817
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248817/action/topic#248817
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>> Does anybody here know if the Cadbury's Caramel "sexy rabbit" ads were done by Williams? They sure look it to me...


Yes, they were. As far as I know.

In fact, one surfaces on our "Williams Studio Animated Ads" DVDs. (Although the tape I got it from didn't concretely credit it to the Williams studio, it seems to be the studio's work.) It features the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland.

Some good evidence of that is, as you said, the use of Miriam Margoyles for voicework.


"I need a change of pace, I need ... bunny sex." - Clifford Menigee, Gods of Los Angeles
"Got a thing for rabbits, huh?" - Eddie Valiant, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?


That Corona one that you identify as Dick's does look it - it has, in those simple designs, an obsessive attention to perspective typical of Dick.


I've watched the others and I'm not sure. Since pretty much everyone working in animation in London around that time had trained with Dick, it would be hard to tell a Dick commercial on sight from one by, say, Richard Purdum or Tony White or Uli Meyer.

Still.

The Um Bongo ad has kind of a similar movement to an ad starring some monkeys, that is on the Animated Ads disc and which I believe is by Dick.

It's also similar to some of Oscar Grillo's work. So, could be his work. Could be anyone's.

The United Ad reminds me a bit of some of Dick's work in the perspective changes, and the line style could compare to Dick's Tic Tac ads.

The bear in the Sweetex ad moves similarly to the Disney characters in Dick's Fanta ads.


Who knows.
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#248265
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248265/action/topic#248265
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It would also be impossible considering the differences.


Anyway.


Garrett was cranky because of lack of sleep. Didn't sleep for two days, had a job interview. Need a job. Broke, can't pay rent this month.



Dave ...

Most of the new images you mention did turn up in the Mark II galleries, but yes, I presume they would be revised and added to.

A Mark 3 would certainly contain some new attempt at that flowers introduction of Yumyum.

No Mark 3 is planned, because no significant new material has yet turned up.


About 2-3 months ago I started being cagy about my sources and what was going on, partly because some sources had started to ask that I not name names and partly because things were "in discussion" - I'd contacted certain people of the sort that you ought to contact and I hoped to have some news on their reaction to the project.

Well, I did get some reactions, but there was no big news to come with it, not yet. Ah well. I'm still at it though. Talkin'. Tryin'.
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#248047
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248047/action/topic#248047
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I don't have the Omar DVD cover in hi res yet. I never did.

Omar plans to revise it further, and then he'll send it to me I'm sure .... via FTP.

As far as I could tell, you were asking for the Cannes art, as you said, in high quality, which I have posted so enjoy it.


Honestly guys, if I'm not responding to you you've probably said something baffling.



MarioXB - The released versions bear absolutely no resemblance to the true version of the film, so comparing them on a really detailed level as if they are worth analyzing is pointless. No one has done it and no one should do it.
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#247380
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247380/action/topic#247380
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Cheers Booah. Yeah, Kamahni who won the competition was angry they cut out any clips of him actually showing any talent - the winner!

It's truly frightening, and what you get is a show about nothing, starring no one, containing zilch.

Where is the genuine irreverence, the reality? Where are the networks who aren't "owned," and willing to create something worth watching, rather than something corporate which tells the public "You are dumb, and this kind of shit is all you deserve to watch?"


More on topic, Omar in Iceland has sent in a revised version of his beautiful "Cannes" type cover for the film.

I still don't like the Cannes poster, and the text on the back is hard to read, but otherwise this is a gorgeous cover.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/swarez/thiefcoverpreview2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/swarez/3Dpreviews/thief3d2.jpg

I have asked Omar to make some changes to the text to make it more readable - hopefully he will - and I'll probably create a new collage to replace the Cannes poster for those who, like me, don't like it.




Completely off topic, and a shameless plug ... here's a new work-in-progress clip from the animated show I'm working on, Dance With Grandpa.
http://www.orangecow.org/videos/grandpaclipv3.avi
(12.8 megs)
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#247199
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247199/action/topic#247199
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Back on topic, thank god.

Here are two high quality scans of real Thief and the Cobbler logos.

This one, by macronencer, is from the Calvert Thief and the Cobbler poster - a version of the film that was never released! - It's the real thing, it matches the original Williams version, so that's what it is.

http://orangecow.org/thief/thieflogo.jpg

Here's the original Williams version, with The Thief coming out of the O. Courtesy Mark Smith - it's slightly lower quality.

http://orangecow.org/thief/ThiefTitleslightblur.jpg

Both of these images have been blurred slightly to remove moire "printing dots." This creates a smaller JPEG image (file size wise), and that's good because I am on dialup.

If I weren't on dialup I'd upload the entire Calvert poster, which macronencer has lovingly scanned. I have the same poster in a tube in my room, except it says Princess and the Cobbler on it.

As for the O logo, you'll also get better quality on The Thief by taking him from the high quality scan I did of the Cannes Thief poster.

http://www.orangecow.org/thief/thieffromtherhorn/onceposterbig.jpg

And here's the Once logo again for good measure.
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/thieffromtherhorn/oncelogolarge.jpg



Here's what I'd like to see.

A Thief cover that looks like that "Once" logo .... Omar did something like that, where it looks like a book.

Except I'd like to see my own artwork used on it - or anything of Dick's - anything but that Cannes poster, which isn't really very good.

Something that matches the Recobbled cover I did.

You know, this one.

http://www.orangecow.org/thief/cobbleramarayv3.jpg


The Thief and the Cobbler logo would be the first one posted above .... except using the Thief in the O from the second logo posted above .... and then the Thief himself taken from the Cannes poster.

My own artwork hiding somewhere in here:
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/
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#247193
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247193/action/topic#247193
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Jesus. I just watched my episode of The Little Talent Show ... which, again, was called Triple Threat when we shot it and had two more people in it who were really good. As you can guess from the change of the show's title, they cut out all the good bits and made us all look like morons.

Really depressing, as they could have created a wonderful show - most of the contestants were really talented. In the acting segment, Daniel does a Marlon Wayans impression which is hilarious, and yet the edit pretends that he was being serious or something. That's just criminal. I mean it's fraud on a basic level.

I was basically cut out of the show, because it was too obvious that I was trying, and succeeding, to be funny. I consider that a compliment.

I've posted a long angry rant about all this which you can enjoy at my website, but I'll be quiet about it here, as it's off topic.

http://ffrevolution.com/InvisionBoard/index.php?s=02e6b36a50f8cfc3f550e3f06e953999&act=ST&f=2&t=1383&st=0#entry13028
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#247160
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247160/action/topic#247160
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How I Did It --

http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/how%20i%20did%20it.rtf

There you go. It was in the Classic Edition threads.


Sorry I haven't been around - my phone and internet got disconnected. I am now on dialup temporarily. Full service to be resumed next week.

Macronencer sent me the HUGE scan of the Thief and the Cobbler Calvert poster - it's wonderful. The poster of course is ugly but the logo is crisp and clear and worthy of being used on many covers and things. I'll upload it when I can - again, I'm on dialup!

Mark Smith has sent in the "O" logo, with the Thief coming out of the O .... the original Williams studio logo for the film!

So we're good on logos.

I finally got in a new DVD burner after waiting 2 weeks. Orders will finally start being sent out again.

To save money I bought an internal modem this time -- but Mac G4s have a weird design which doesn't open up enough to allow a standard DVD burner's door to come out of the opening -- So I installed a DVD burner, but couldn't eject the drive! It was just trapped in there ....

I took a nail and popped off the front of the drive door - because the burner was trapped in there it didn't cause the drive to open, so nothing got damaged.

Now I've got a slimmer, weird looking but completely functional internal burner.


Completely off topic, a while back I starred in a pretty embarrassing pilot for MTV, which was then called Triple Threat - an American Idol type setup where various talented people are made to look like idiots as they have to sing, dance and act. Frightening stuff.

The show just aired. It's now called "MTV's Little Talent Show." It's been airing at 3pm and 6pm all this week. My episode was aired as episode 3 I believe .... originally the pilot. I think they're airing a new episode every day.

I haven't seen the show yet. I understand it's on Youtube, but I've been without internet. I'm looking for it, but I'm on dialup, so it's slow going!

I THINK this might be my episode, but I haven't tried to watch it yet. (EDIT - yep. I can see the first shot, and it's definitely me in a blue shirt. Christ I'm fat. Or XIF for short.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03NDVNMO6Oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5AcgcwZtxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYqCESsLtLo


Contestants Merrin Mae and Adam Ryan, who I quite liked and got along with, were both cut out of the episode entirely. Which is pretty bizarre. We were all onstage and backstage at the same time in a huge group for the entire show, so I can't even imagine what a mess they had to make of the edit to cut two people out of it.


My friends Jesse Maddox and Erik Anderson are on another episode (shot as the second episode, I recommended them for the parts) - I saw them in the trailer for the series. Jesse is wearing a red shirt, has dark hair, is thin. Erik is a little bit chunkier, blonde hair.

Jesse Maddox pics
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/ampff3lisajesse.jpg
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/ampff3jesse4.jpg
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/campff3jesse.jpg

Erik Anderson pics
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/campff3erik.jpg
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/campff3erikslapped2.jpg

For more recognition purposes, you can see all three of us in the movie Ghostbusted 3 ...
http://www.orangecow.org/videos/ghostbusted3.avi

I'm the unruly-haired Ghostbuster Seymour, Jesse is a guy who gets "killed" while singing the Ghostbusters theme, and then shows up later in a news report (as the guy who doesn't say much and has a bruise on his arm), which has Erik in it as the makeup man and "Real World Contestant."

I don't know when Jesse and Erik's episode aired, if it's aired yet. I suspect it might have aired before mine, so ANYONE READING THIS, PLEASE KEEP A LOOK OUT ON MTV.

The Little Talent Show, MTV, 3, 3:30 and 6PM.

I believe I'll be able to get a DVD copy of my episode .... a guy named Guillermo Gomez was watching, recognized me and got it on DVD-R .... very cool.
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#244804
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244804/action/topic#244804
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>> What about that music at the beginning when Zigzag speaks? It's not in the Recobbled Cut... is it really by Robert Folk? It just seems odd because it sounds like it ties into the menacing fly-over music.

I don't remember, but I'm sure it's the original music from the workprint.

In the Recobbled Cut, I wanted better sound quality on Zigzag's line, so I used the Robert Folk Calvert audio, up til the end of Zigzag's line, then we're back in workprint territory.

>>Do you think Ogg would mind if I put that avi file up on Youtube (giving him credit of course)? It deserves to be out there, I think.

Certain Patrick wouldn't mind. Patrick McCart.
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#244591
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Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244591/action/topic#244591
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That filtered version looks interesting, although perhaps a little overboard with the filters. I might actually be interested in having something like that .... or just the scenes like Mos Eisley which need to be non special editionish, if that would mean getting them in a better codec.


Again, if people are doing things like this I'm sure someone could cut together something akin to my Classic Edition with it.
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#244588
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244588/action/topic#244588
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Yeah, I purposely decided to use Calvert's characterization of Nanny there. A questionable decision on my part, and one that's been questioned before. Let me explain.

Of course, it's easier to use Calvert footage since that footage has been animated. I felt that this was a little joke that made the scene more interesting .... I wasn't suggesting that Nanny hates Tack, but that she was getting impatient with all this romantic goings on - "Just get in the bath" .... I thought it was amusing, and it had finished animation.

But another major reason I used this take on the scene was that - if you check the Calvert work in progress reel - the shot of Nanny tapping her foot appears as a pencil test, and there is some evidence that it was actually a Williams shot, that Dick had added this bit of comic business to the scene. The Calvert WIP suggests that Dick's version had been revised, and could actually have played out similarly to how I present it in the Recobbled Cut. Then again, that could be a VERY rare example of a Calvert pencil test in the WIP - but there's only about 2 examples of that.

Either way I thought the bit was harmless and didn't alter the Nurse's character completely.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/swarez/3Dpreviews/thief3d.jpg">

The "Cannes" cover was by a fellow named Omar - mori [at] itn.is - He's a writer and actor in Iceland and a very talented cover designer.

Some covers:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/swarez/3Dpreviews/

It's my favorite cover for The Thief that's been done besides my own. I actually wanted to do a "Cannes" type cover for the film, having that "Book" look to it, but never did. Omar's version is similar to what I might have done, except that I don't actually like the art on the Cannes poster .... which is why I drew my own cover in the first place. Omar also didn't use the common Thief logo, feeling the version in existence was too low quality. (This was before macronencer's version of it turned up!)

I only have the tiny preview versions of that cover - I never got a big version, probably because I still considered my version the definitive cover.

I've emailed Omar and asked him for a copy of it - also letting him know about macronencer's logo scan.

Come to think of it, there's another fellow I need to write who had a scan of the logo with the Thief coming out of the O that I never got ....

Here's his effort at a cover for The Thief - Mr. Mark Smith.

http://orangecow.org/thief/DVD_Thief-MarkSmith.jpg

Not the best cover, but the artwork and text on it is very rare, all from pressbooks for The Thief and the Cobbler and The Thief Who Never Gave Up. This is the only scan I've ever seen of the Thief coming out of the O logo. I need a better copy of these pressbooks!