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#69376
Topic
Star Wars: Deleted Magic (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69376/action/topic#69376
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I posted about this in another thread, but it really ought to be in this thread, so here we are.

Here is the first part of my new edit of Star Wars.

http://www.orangecow.org/videos/deletedmagictantiveIV1.mov

(Quicktime, 21 MB)

Actually recreating the Lost Cut isn't possible, so what I've done here is basically deconstructed this first scene of the film. I've compared it to the shooting script, and included production sound and little notes on how the editing in the final cut altered the feel of the film.

The opening crawl is from the third draft screenplay ... it's not the crawl that would have been in the lost cut, but it's a version of the crawl I really like.

I'm currently working on more of this - I'm putting David Prowse's voice back on as Darth Vader as he chokes the Captain. Very entertaining stuff. =)
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#69374
Topic
Info: The "Lost Cut" Of ANH
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69374/action/topic#69374
Time
The cut scenes from the Behind the Magic disc are included on the TR47 7-disc set special features discs, which were done by Rowman.


I am definitely trying to recreate some of what might have been in the Star Wars Lost Cut, for the documentary I'm doing, Deleted Magic.

Very little has been made available, but of course it's all fascinating.


Here is the first part of my new edit of Star Wars.

http://www.orangecow.org/videos/deletedmagictantiveIV1.mov

(Quicktime, 21 MB)

Actually recreating the Lost Cut isn't possible, so what I've done here is basically deconstructed this first scene of the film. I've compared it to the shooting script, and included production sound and little notes on how the editing in the final cut altered the feel of the film.

The opening crawl is from the third draft screenplay ... it's not the crawl that would have been in the lost cut, but it's a version of the crawl I really like.

I'm currently working on more of this - I'm putting David Prowse's voice back on as Darth Vader as he chokes the Captain. Very entertaining stuff. =)
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#68959
Topic
***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68959/action/topic#68959
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Ooh. Sounds good. I want in on this crawl action.

What if you took the actual crawl from the final version of the film, and just wiped the lines with "Episode IV: A New Hope" out of it? It would require a bit of careful reediting, and you might have to slow the whole thing down afterward, but in, say, Final Cut Pro I think this would be the simplest way to accomplish it.

Anyway.

Anyone got some suggestions on how to do a good crawl?

I am planning on doing a "Lost Cut" crawl with different text from the original drafts of the script.

This would be for the partial "Lost Cut" restoration in my documentary "Deleted Magic."

Haven't thought up a good way to do it in AE or Final Cut Pro yet, though.
Post
#68953
Topic
Info Wanted: Bonus Material not offered by the major bootleggers
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68953/action/topic#68953
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Rattlehead:

As you might know, 3 of the 4 deleted scenes from Behind the Magic (recently corrected to include all 4) are on Rowman's special features set, which is 4 discs in size and comes with TR47's set in the 7-disc version.


However, a much more comprehensive overview of the deleted scenes really needs to be done.

And is being done by myself (with help from Jedisluggo, T'Bone, and Rowman's discs) ...

I've already posted about this, but it's called "Deleted Magic" and will try to replicate the infamous "Lost Cut" of ANH as well as possible (and also go into some famous deleted scenes from the other two films). There will be a new crawl, new edits of famous scenes (Ben's Hut, the Tantive IV, the Cantina), and lots of more fun.

This will be available for release on bootleg DVD sometime soon enough.


Trailer: STAR WARS: DELETED MAGIC

http://orangecow.org/videos/swdeletedmagictrailer.mov

(6.5 minutes, 35 MB, Quicktime MP4)



Thread about it:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=1284
Post
#68670
Topic
Star Wars: Deleted Magic (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68670/action/topic#68670
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Oh, the Behind the Magic stuff will definitely be in there.

I mean, the quality ain't great, but it is what it is. If you're doing Star Wars cutscenes, it has to be in there. I used the color stuff in this trailer anyway.

Not including the black and white stuff in this trailer was just an artistic decision (now I sound like Lucas) ... it'll be in the longer version in full.

I'll be editing the Behind the Magic scenes with wipes, sound and music as if they're part of the movie itself.

To get a good version of the Human Jabba scene, I'll also have to go to the Making Magic CD-ROM that came with Yoda Stories. I've already done a version of the scene with this footage, but I don't have a good version of it on video. (I'm planning to get a friend to transfer it to video soon. Anyone got the Making Magic jabba clips on video?)


Been talking with Jedisluggo about all this. Here is my tentative list of chapters that will make up the final film, presumably.

ANH:
1) Vader aboard the Tantive IV (David Prowse voice and production footage fun), C3PO Melts
2) Luke and Treadwell
3) Wormie at Anchorhead
4) Old Friends Part Ways Once More
5) Looking for R2
6) Ben's Hut (alternate edit of some sort)
7) Alternate Mos Eisley
8) Alternate Cantina
9) Jabba
10) Vader and Chief Bast (Jabba would wipe directly to this)
11) More clips - Alderaan goes boom. Chewie talks.
12) Production footage fun - Vader and Obi-Wan Lightsaber Fight
13) Red Leader remembers Anakin

ESB:
1) The Wampas attack Echo Base.
2) Luke's bacta mask/Leia kiss. This whole part will be a comedic discussion of the Luke/Leia romance seen in the first two films.
3) Han and Leia on Cloud City.


ROTJ
1) Sandstorm is all I'm putting down at this point ... if that. Not enough moving footage out there from ROTJ, though there's plenty of good cut stuff. Maybe a bit of fun with the band and Jabba.

EDIT -- I forgot. 2) I definitely will be doing an extended Lapti Nek.
Post
#68668
Topic
Star Wars: Deleted Magic (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68668/action/topic#68668
Time

http://orangecow.org/1media/deletedmagiclogowebsm.jpg

http://starwarz.com/deletedmagic

Trailer and clips full of deleted scenes, alternate edits, behind the scenes and other interesting stuff!

I have been wanting to make a nice long documentary about the Star Wars deleted scenes, using all the various clips that have surfaced, in new edits.

The idea is that this could be something that could be on a special feature disc for a future bootleg DVD-r release of the Original Trilogy. And also put out on the web.

There’s a lot of short but cool clips on the new official remastardized '04 DVDs, so I’ve used a lot of those.

Enjoy the trailer!

A full longer documentary will be coming … eventually.

For much more deleted scenes information and video files, visit:

http://www.starwarz.com

(NOTE: ignore most of the orangecow links in the rest of this thread - they are now largely defunct - visit the starwarz.com site instead.)

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#68235
Topic
Info Wanted: The laserdiscs vs. The best bootlegs
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68235/action/topic#68235
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MeBeJedi - as I've told Rowman and others, I might want to be involved with creating extras for a future bootleg DVD release of the OT, to add to the superb extra discs already done by him and others.

Basically, I am seriously considering doing a documentary about the deleted scenes, and editing together all the little clips that have leaked, completely reedited and presented in a new way ... also clips of the production footage with original voices etc.

I am currently editing a feature film called Gods of Los Angeles, so I'm very busy, but perhaps when I'm done editing that.
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#67924
Topic
Idea: About De-SEizing the DVDs... We need to Vote on Changes!
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67924/action/topic#67924
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"We've replaced the original Star Wars Trilogy that you grew up with, with new Folger's Crystals! Let's see if anyone notices ..."


Just for fun, with so many versions about to be made, I'd like to see a version with stuff from the low-quality mono mix in there somehow. =) Just to get Beru's original voice and "Blast it Wedge, where are you?" in there for no reason.


1) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lucasfil.JPG (This is the opening logos. Original or shiney logos?)

Shiney works for me.

2) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/riverbed.JPG (Digitally darkened sky)

Neutral.

3) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sancrDark.jpg (Ditto)

Neutral.

4) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewback.JPG (Digital Dewbacks and such)

FUCK NO! Restore the original scene, goddamnit. This CGI shit is terrrbrrrrrible. (said in Jar Jar voice)

5) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sandcraw.JPG (alternate shot of the sandcrawler, this time closer to the camera)

Eh. Neutral.

6) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/landspdr.JPG (digitally touching up the landspeeder)

Neutral.

7) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/benhouse.JPG (different shot of Obi-Wan's hut)

OLD! Definitely the old. I would actually prefer the photo of the hut at another angle seen in the "Lost Cut," but that's just be being silly.

8) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/speeder2.jpg (more landspeeder touchups)

Neutral.

9) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mosEisLong.jpg (Barley different at all, shot of Mos Eisley)

Neutral.

10) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-MosEisleyEnter04.jpg (Digital speeder)

NO! GET RID OF THIS CGI SHIT!

11) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/longmose.JPG (several new shots of Mos Eisley, and alterations made to existing shots)

NO! GET RID OF THIS CGI SHIT!

12) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewBar.jpg (Digital dewback now "barks" as the gang enters the Cantina)

NO! GET RID OF THIS CGI SHIT!

13) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/hatGuy.jpg (Wolfman replaced with reptile thing)

The wolfman. Women want him. Men want to be like him. We love the wolfman.

14) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/informnt.jpg (Digital dewback added behind stromtroopers, with another dismounting)

NO! GET RID OF THIS *RETARDED* CGI SHIT!

15) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/betyouhave.jpg (Greedo now shoots first)

Han shoots first, of course. Yes, I'll bet you have! (The 2004 DVDs can be edited to accomplish this, easily.)

16) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/door2doo.jpg (Digital droid accompanies troopers from door to door)

Fuck no.

17) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sell.jpg (digital swooping doorway and air traffic)

No. Neutral actually, but no.

18) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-HanJabba04.jpg (This does NOT mean to vote for if Jabba is better than teh '97 version. This vote is for the scene at all.)

Please cut Jabba, and quick. "Even I get boarded sometimes!" Redundant, yo.

19) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave1.JPG (digital shot of the Falcon taking flight)

No CGI, please. Restore the original.

20)
http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave2.JPG (Falcon now "arches" out of frame)

No CGI, please. Restore the original.

21) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/alderaan.jpg (new Alderann explosion, with "ring")

No ring! Please restore the original.

22) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deadEnd.jpg (the room of troopers Han runs into is now extended by about 100 troops, and even a TIE fighter)

Neutral.

23) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-Corridor04.jpg (new forced perspective shot of the hallway)

Neutral. This is okay, I guess.

24) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/DSCorridor04.jpg (more hallway modifications)

Neutral. This is okay, I guess.

25) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/GarbageCreature04.jpg (new garbage creature)

I don't like the new eye. Original, me thinks.

26) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/magnum.jpg (messing with Leia's blaster sounds)

Neutral.

27) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/blastdoor.jpg (re-added the "close the blast doors" line)

I like this line. Close the blast doors!

28) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-VaderObiFight104.jpg (lightsabers updated to look like the prequels)

Sabers are fine, when they're not the wrong color. =)

29) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-ObiSaber04.jpg (corrected Obi-Wan's fading saber)

Sabers are fine, when they're not the wrong color. =)

30) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfexitds.JPG (New "blast" as the Falcon departs the Death Star)

Neutral.

31) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/targetCm.jpg (more sounds added to the controls)

Neutral.

32) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfYavin.jpg (Digital Falcon approaches Yavin)

Nah.

33) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/yavinMF.jpg (Falcon added to the foreground, landing)

Neutral, but I don't think so.


34) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/massaii.jpg (different temple)

Neutral, but I don't think so.


35) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lukeBiggs.jpg (conversation with Biggs added)

I like the Biggs conversation. Keep it.

36) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/leaveyav.JPG (different shot of Xwings replacing the old, "sparkles")

Neutral, but I don't think so.

37) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/xwingsCG.jpg (different Death Star approach shot)

Definitely NO. Keep the old two shots.

38) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sfoils.jpg (simple, whole Battle of Yavin. original, or special)

Original, yo. =) All the damn way.

39) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dsExplode.jpg (ring added to the Death Star explosion)

Fuck no. No ring, no grey 2004 explosion, none of that shit.

40) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/award.jpg (cardboard people replaced with real people)

Neutral on this one. Leave it.

41) Luke's new saber. said to turn green at odd times.

We hate the greensaber! We hatessss it!

42) Tractor beam text replaced with Aurebesh.

Neutral on this one. I could honestly go either way.

Post
#66258
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66258/action/topic#66258
Time
That Swedish cover is a pretty good design idea.

Apart from the ESB Leia and the blacked-out left side of Luke's head.

Of course the actual Struzan art for ANH special edition used an ESB Leia, so that must be why they used one here. A different ESB Leia though.

Anyone gonna have a go at reproducing it?

Are the appropriate photos out there scanned in high res?


I wanted to do a cover design myself, a pretty odd one based on the "D" poster for ANH, the carnival one. I haven't really seen the cover art that's out there ... have good ones been done based on the C and D posters for ANH? I really like the D and C posters myself.

Or - are there good high-res scans of the D and C posters out there? I don't have a scanner handy at the very moment.


(P.S. I have a large amount of web space/bandwidth. A slow connection, but a lot of space/bandwidth.)
Post
#66219
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66219/action/topic#66219
Time
>>The SE LD as a source would be far better. They are cleaned up, but are still near the same level as the O-OT LDs. In addition to this, you have the uncompressed video to ceate a master AVI from, rather than the MPEGs of the DVDs.


Yeah, an SE/OT LD mix would be great. Someone should certainly do this.


>>Which begs the question...why bother with such a sharp transfer in the first place. It's like getting a Porsche, but driving it in second gear so you don't go too fast. Know what I mean?


Because you still have a Porsche. =) I mean, if you go with the laserdiscs for the whole thing, it will be blurry throughout. But with the new DVDs out, you can make 90% of it look slightly better, or completely perfect. You could choose your own level of blurriness, that's why.

There are more options now, clearly.

I mean, there's been a lot of talk about PAL laserdiscs and CAV versus CLV, to make your laserdisc transfers look SLIGHTLY better.

Surely it's worth the same amount of thought to making it look better still, by using a downgraded version of the '04 DVDs as often as possible?

I bring up blurring it because you said yourself you wanted "consistency."

I mean, it all starts to look kind of the same when you play a DVD5 on a normal sized TV screen anyway, right?
Post
#66205
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66205/action/topic#66205
Time
I understand your argument, MeBeJedi, and your version of the trilogy will certainly be worth ordering.

But a version like this would be worth ordering too, perhaps more so, and I know many people are already working on their own versions of the '04s ...

It doesn't have to be jarring - it's a lot easier to make a sharp transfer look bad than it is to make a blurry transfer look good.

The DVD shots could VERY easily be blurred/downgraded in certain scenes that will have to use laser footage. Perhaps with keyframing so that the blurring comes and goes subtly when needed.

There are certainly a lot of arguments for doing this, since 90% of the film remains essentially unaltered.

You could watch a pristine transfer for that 90%, and then certain scenes would slowly, gradually, briefly become the laserdisc versions we know and love.



And yeah Molly - if someone has the '97 laserdisc lying around, they could certainly get a better transfer of Mr. Sebastian Shaw's face.

I bet you that a shot of the three force ghosts could very easily be created from laserdisc (and perhaps DVD) material, and it could be inserted into the '04 DVDs, and no one would notice the quality change because they're ... ghosts. And Ben and Yoda could be sharpened til the cows come home if you use a little bit of the shot as seen on the new DVDs.

And hell - if you REALLY don't want to use the new DVDs, why not edit together the OT and SE LDs? Surely the SE LD has a better transfer when it's not being full of awful CGI.

Anyway ...


obviously there's a place for both types of OT. The smart fan will be getting a laserdisc-sourced TK47/MeBeJedi, a damned '04 DVD set with Empire of Dreams, and some sharp editor's combination of both.

Post
#66190
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66190/action/topic#66190
Time
Hi everybody! 1st time poster.



All the talk about getting the best possible transfer of the LDs has been fascinating ... MeBeJedi and Laserman, you're doing great work.

But yeah, with the incredible picture quality on the new DVDs, we're REALLY going to want versions of the O.T. DVDs that attempt to de-specialeditionize them. Even if it means cutting to a blurry laserdisc shot in the middle of an otherwise sharp transfer.

The good thing about using the DVDs for as much of the transfer as possible is that the number of shots you'll actually put in taken from the laserdisc will be fairly few. Therefore, you'll be able to put more work into them.

What I mean is - someone a few pages back said what may or may not have been a joke - that someone should take the pan & scan laserdiscs and overlay that larger image over the widescreen image, to add resolution to at least part of the image and bring it a bit closer to DVD standard.

Now you couldn't do that with a whole film, but if it's just for a few shots when you're de-SpecialEditionizing the DVD, that sounds like a damn good idea. If the Pan & Scan is staying relatively still during the shots you need, you could add a little bit of extra detail that would help a lot.

You would have to put a pretty thick feather around the edges of the Pan & Scan image so that the join with the widescreen image is seamless, but sounds good to me. I did a little bit of this exact thing myself for a project once.

If you're sourcing from the DVDs, you'll have to just deal with a few of the little changes - fixed matte lines around the rancor etc., little matte painting changes - that's not worth going back to the blurrier laserdiscs for. (And who wants matte lines around the rancor on an '04 DVD anyway ...)

I suppose you could go into Final Cut Pro or whatever and artificially sharpen the laser image a little, and blur the DVD image a little if it's being intercut with laserdisc shots very quickly in a sequence ...

But the clips in Empire of Dreams will help, and anyway, at the very least you know you can put back Boba Fett's voice! Just undoing the sound changes will do wonders. And, y'know, if you cut out that ONE shot, the Greedo scene almost goes back to normal. And things like the X-Wings and Ben's Hut and the ghost shot are all effects shots or exterior shots anyway ... cutting to a lower quality version would barely be noticed.

You can also cheat in some shots by combining part of the laserdisc image with part of the DVD image if possible ... I wonder if that would help add some extra detail to the ROTJ ghosts and the "You don't need to see his identification" stormtrooper. Essentially painting out what Lucas painted in!

When you need to replace a shot that wipes, well, wipes can be redone easily enough (especially simple lines across the screen) ... in FCP you'd just set the keyframes for cropping the image and put in a pretty large feather, and you could easily make a shot that transitions nicely from laser to DVD with only a bit of blurring inbetween.

Get someone who's rotoed lightsabers for a fanfilm and you can even change the pink (ROTJ), green (ROTJ) and green/white (ANH) sabers to red/white, green/white and blue/white respectively. It'd be a bitch of a job, but it might be fun. I mean, if Dooku's saber can be made yellow ...

I know you've thought and agonized over all this already. Just saying.


I will be following progress on a patchwork '04/'93 edition with great interest.








P.S. And can I put in my vote that Biggs, "Close the blast doors!" and "I can see a lot better" be left in? And maybe the bantha herd, Oola's death and the windows on Cloud City? But not the rings on the explosions.

I keep waiting for someone to be totally silly and extend/alter the "Lapti Nek" sequence using the single-version vocals with making-of and video footage, just like Lucas "extended" it with Jedi Throw Rocks.