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#150398
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/150398/action/topic#150398
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I did fix Vader's lightsaber.


The color of his saber in the entire Classic Edition is very different from his color on the 2004 DVDs. If it looks "bubblegum" in my release to you than I suppose the original release will also look "bubblegum" to you. To my eyes it generally looks a pretty good red.



I haven't touched ROTJ. But it's something I might well do.
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#150394
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Star Wars: Classic Edition by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/150394/action/topic#150394
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The Tribune article broke a couple days back and appears in the Empire Classic thread as well as the originaltrilogy.com in the press thread.

Maybe I should actually start doing the newsgroups. I never have and know nothing about the process. Any suggestions for someone on a Mac, Apple Network, fast connection, doesn't want to spend much/any money?
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#149719
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Original Trilogy.com in the Press
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/149719/action/topic#149719
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Yes, it's true that there is no one "true" release of any of the original Star Wars films (or the new ones for that matter) - there are so many changes mostly of an audio nature between the various versions that were released at the same time in theaters, in 77, 80 and 83.

For my Classic Editions, I picked what I thought might be the best and most memorable parts of both of the main sound mixes for the films. Kind of to merge them into one "true" version that never actually existed before. Hence "Not the way it was, but the way you remember it."


That said, if Lucas released any version of the original original trilogy on DVD, we would probably accept the DVD quite quickly as definitive regardless of which mix he used.

Unless he did what he would probably do, and change the mix once again, as well as leaving in minor touch-ups and changes.


Hm.
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#149630
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/149630/action/topic#149630
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For those who missed it in the other thread.



Chicago Tribune

`Star Wars' fans seek long, long ago edition

By Joshua Klein
Special to the Tribune

A little more than a year ago, millions of "Star Wars" fans finally got their wish granted with the release of the original "Star Wars" trilogy--"Star Wars," "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi"--on DVD. A vocal minority, however, merely grumbled, since what was sold was not the original trilogy at all but the so-called "special editions," released theatrically in 1997 with added scenes, new special effects and, some might argue, inferior results.

The real original trilogy--which is to say, the versions many fans grew up with--were nowhere to be found.

Short of a change of heart on creator George Lucas' part, the original "Star Wars" films are unlikely to ever appear on DVD, and needless to say, a few weeks before the DVD release of the final "Star Wars" installment "Revenge of the Sith," many fans remain frustrated.

"Look at the DVDs that are out now," says Garrett Gilchrist of Carlsbad, Calif., a 24-year-old film school grad responsible for "Deleted Magic," a remarkable compendium of seldom-seen deleted scenes, alternate takes and outtakes from the first "Star Wars." "They're not getting any respect anymore. These are classic movies that should be preserved, like `Bridge Over the River Kwai' or `Seven Samurai.' Not to get too pretentious about it, but these films should be given a bit of respect so that everyone can enjoy them, not force you to overlook how bad the release actually is."

To that end, some fans have repeatedly attempted to re-create and reconstruct--with home computers, professional software and various releases of Lucas' sci-fi epics, as well as plenty of time and money--their own versions of the director's sci-fi epics. Gilchrist's "Classic Edition" combines elements from the 2004 DVDs and the '93 laserdisc. His close approximation of 1977's "Star Wars" goes so far as to digitally paint out distracting special effects, correct real and perceived errors discovered on the official 2004 DVD versions and feature professional-looking DVD menus. Gilchrist even edited together his own commentary track. He calls his "Classic Edition" the "original" version of "Star Wars," "not the way it was, but the way you remember it." That's keeping in line with Lucas' stated views on film restoration.

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them," said Lucas, referring to the colorization movement.

That quote is the first thing you see at www.originaltrilogy.com, where fans commiserate over changes Lucas made to their favorite films as well as discuss, attempt and trade remedies. There's also a petition addressed to Lucas.

"Obviously, all the chain-rattling one person on the Internet can do is about as effective as the world's smallest violin," says Justin Bielawa of Connecticut, a Web site regular and friend of Gilchrist. "The question is now what can we do to get him to change his mind."

These homemade "preservations" provide to the unsatisfied (and perhaps unsatisfiable) the next best thing. Yet the proliferation of so many different versions of the films, from Lucas' own to the dozens of bootlegs and ambitious re-creations, shows that a solution may now be impossible.

"I don't know if that'd be possible, due to the many sources of the original trilogy and how differently each person tackles their preservation project," says Rid Hughes of Gloucestershire, England, who has worked diligently on his own laserdisc to DVD transfers of a universally embraced DVD edition. "Everyone has their own idea on how it should look, and they're all different."

Hughes' version of the first "Star Wars" was made from three different laserdisc sources: the U.S. Definitive Collection, the French THX collection and the German THX collection. It's cost him more than 200 British pounds (about $350), "utilizing parts of all three versions to combine them into something I'm happy with."

Ben Payton of Great Falls, Mont., who has embarked with four friends on what he calls the "X0 Project," is a freelance Web designer whose "Star Wars" obsessions drew him to the pricey Pioneer HLD-X0 laserdisc player in hopes of preserving the best possible image.

"It is perhaps the best laserdisc player ever made, and still demands a hefty asking price on eBay--$2,800 last time I checked," he says. "We have centered our preservation around using this player, and the early results are about the best we've ever seen in an LD-to-computer transfer."

"I have had a lot of fun doing what I'm doing, and someday might even like to do something like this for a living," adds Payton, who is serving in the military. "I'd say even if by some miracle Lucas decides to release the original `Original Trilogy' right in the middle of our project, I think I'd still finish it, just to see how well it stacks up to the real thing."

Gilchrist, who recently completed a version of "The Empire Strikes Back" and is pondering attempting "Return of the Jedi", stresses that as angry as fans sometimes seem, this is largely a fun exercise. He also points our that until Lucas makes the original trilogy available again, in its original form, he sees no harm being done.

"The `Classic Edition' was about revisiting a movie that doesn't exist anymore," Gilchrist says. "The movie you're creating is the movie you grew up with, and the movie you want to see again. It gets harder and harder to watch ["Star Wars"] the way Lucas has it now . . . .He's interested in what he can do now, but we're not as interested. And if these films are being ruined, and [his versions are] all that's coming out, then that's no fun."

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#149628
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Original Trilogy.com in the Press
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/149628/action/topic#149628
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I'm glad that the people who got quoted got quoted .... I'm glad that one of them was my friend Justin Bielawa, who played "Boink" in The Phantom Movie.


I just wrote Joshua Klein, who wrote me back with a bit of inside info. The article started as just an interview about me and Classic Edition, but as Joshua just told me, they sort of felt that to focus on any one project like mine would be a complete invitation for me to be sued by Lucasfilm! So they expanded the scope of the article, which is nice, making it more interesting in the process but also making sure that no one project would be highlighted enough for Lucasfilm to just seize on the one and sue them!

A lawsuit is still possible, but it's kind of an interesting way of thinking about diffusing the problem.
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#148931
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148931/action/topic#148931
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Checking out the hi-res on that Deleted Magic. Way to reproduce the logo in vectors. Lookin' good. =D

Most of those pics at bottom are good-lookin' quality ... Might use the same ones for a larger montage.


I should look at the various versions of the Jabba scene I've got and see how hi-res a picture I can montage together. Hm.



Way too busy to do anything though. I can just drink in Coov's skills. =) That style A cover ...




Mailing out more today. Goodbye, bank account. It's still overdrawn. Hm.
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#148833
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148833/action/topic#148833
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Thanks Blue!


Really dig the Style A Empire on the brushed metal. Kind of shows through as well.


I really ought to get into Photoshop and see if I can get the Australian, and International Style A (like the US style A except with more red and stuff in it) to work on this frame.

Great work Coov.



I really like the filmstrip in the new Deleted Magic, the images are well chosen and nice. Would like to see a photo montage on it, Lucas and Biggs and Jabba perhaps. Maybe I should get off my ass and create something. Heh.
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#148408
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148408/action/topic#148408
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Nope, the other ones are definitely not obsolete - I quite like all your work on ESB, your many different covers for it.

If you need a different concept for Deleted Magic - check the email I sent you about it - I threw out some ideas like a projector room, a starfield, a backlight and strips of film, and rereading them might spark some ideas if you need an alternate. =)

I might do some work with the scan that was posted of that certain ESB poster, it's not bad quality, just not quite right yet. And I'll have a look at those Photoshop files you were nice enough to send me. =D

I'd like to see the ESB covers done with the style A cover like your first one too, so that could be nice to try.


Rock on Carey - you have done a great service here, and I muchly muchly appreciate your hard work, skill and talent.





I forgot to reply to dark_jedi's question about the white space on the disc labels. I print directly from a memory card without the use of a computer. My Epson printer seems to automatically leave that white space in and not print to the center. I suspect if I was printing from a computer I could futz with that a bit more.
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#148371
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.: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148371/action/topic#148371
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Hey Moth3r ... as you know, I would love to use your version as the basis for a Return of the Jedi Classic Edition. So basically I'm just waiting on you now. =) I won't do it without one of your lovely transfers in my hands.

So hey, whenever you have kind of a rough, crappy pre-release version of the transfer that hasn't been tweaked or synced or menued or fixed or anything ... and it's not ready to release, but it's technically there .....


Let me know. =) I'd love to steal this from you the very SECOND there's something usable there.
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#148304
Topic
Star Wars: Classic Edition by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148304/action/topic#148304
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Joshua Klein, DVD columnist for the Chicago Tribune, interviewed me today. He's not a huge fan of Deleted Magic but enjoyed the Star Wars Classic Edition disc a lot, and we talked at length about Originaltrilogy.com and the ways fans are finding to preserve these classic movies and give them the respect they deserve. We talked about a lot of things so I have no idea what he's going to use.

He'll be doing an article about Classic Edition and the O-OT in ... tuesday's paper I think?

Have a look for it.

I am SO going to get sued by Lucasfilm.
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#147872
Topic
Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147872/action/topic#147872
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Heh. Well done brick texture, but your first original version of Deleted Magic was probably stronger layout-wise. You're right that it lacks any color, I'd like to see a completely different concept using color photos and things if that's the goal as I don't know how this one, which is based around black and white, could easily be made more colorful. Hm.

Hi-res versions?
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#147719
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147719/action/topic#147719
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Great covers Coov.


The brushed metal look looks great for ESB. I've never liked that particular poster, but if it's gonna be used on a Classic Edition cover this would be the way to do it. =)

I'd love to steal your Photoshop files to try different posters on that backdrop. Evil thoughts come into my mind ....


The Deleted Magic one is very nice and classy in your minimalist "Fight Club" kind of style ... "it's so Coov!" I'm glad to see Jenny and Camie on the front, they deserve it. Definitely a unique approach, and evocative of the Lost Cut. Would love to see more Deleted Magic covers from you if you ever have time. =)