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#253452
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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I have been converting both the 2004 and 2006 Lucasfilm Star Wars DVDs to PhotoJPEG format so that I can begin work on Star Wars Classic Edition 2.0.

Over in forum 9, several people have done amazing things color correcting the 2004 DVDs to look like the original trilogy. Staggering results, but most of them are just doing these as tests, not actually releasing the film this way, and they mostly seem to be using PC so I can't really copy their work.

So I do feel inferior as I'm doing this, because I doubt I can color correct this film effectively to really look the way you might want it to. I am only doing very very basic color correction work.

But I can try, and as always, where others do tests and talk about releasing a version of the movie, I'll do it quick and actually release it so you can enjoy. (Some have made a career out of just talking and have been just talking since the site began with no results.)

And if color corrected 2004 discs start to come out, well, wonderful! I'm excited to see the work of Desree and others. (Especially as I will never revisit Empire or Jedi.)

As for my own work ...

I know this will be a step up in quality from my previous Star Wars edit. This will also be the only one of the Classic Editions where I will make some attempt to color correct the material.

We'll see.


I have already decided to restore more little things to their non-special-edition state than I did previously. Tiny little things that most people wouldn't notice have been changed since 1977.

As before you'll get that wonderful cast commentary I cut together for the original Classic Edition, and the isolated score, and animated menus.

Good times ahead.
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Request: a 'Serenity' movie fan edit? - ADM??
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Way I heard it, Cordelia's death was revenge on Charisma for getting pregnant.

Joss Whedon = mean, folks. I don't care if your actors are the devil incarnate, you should treat your characters with love the way your audience does. They're heroes and deserve to go out like heroes rather than punks .... and preferably not die suddenly and stupidly. And preferably not die at all.


Honestly, Joss. Tsk tsk.



I suggest that any Serenity reedit should be retitled "Cows... in... Space!"


(Actually, an edit of Firefly footage with the audio from the opening to Pigs in Space would be funny. With film of some actual pigs to start off with.)




Another thing. Watch "Jaynestown," where Jayne is hailed as a hero. Wash asks why they can't visit the crappy planet where HE's a folk hero.

Now watch the Strangers With Candy episode "The Blank Stare" (season 2 disc 2 I think) .... a two-parter with Alan Tudyck as - a cult leader.

Yep.


Yeeeep.



Lost chapter in Wash's life there folks.



Also, if enough fans got together and chipped in money, do you think enough $ could be raised to kidnap Eliza Dushku, James Marsters and Tony Head and force them to enact scenes from some sort of spinoff show for our own twisted pleasure?


Actors kidnapped by fans, forced to star in show. Standoff with police continues, day 15. Actors develop Stockholm syndrome, identifying with their captors - "I really like the direction my character is heading" .... "This is sick but not as bad as being on UPN" ... etc.
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#253407
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Idea: a possible Red Dwarf fan film...
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The remastered versions are a joke, don't use them.

Series 7 is by far the worst of the series, even worse than series 8, but it's also the one series where they tried to make the show look like a "film." So that's the idea of the edit, to create a Red Dwarf movie. Can't be any worse than the Doctor Who movie (Cushing or McGann, take your pick).

And you could make it funnier with faster pacing, cutting out the fat and making it all 16x9 and cinematic.

Also both Tikka to Ride and Ouroboros have a very "flashback" like structure which would allow you to sneak back to other series and provide clips from every series that seem to sum up the show .... look in the DVD deleted scenes and you'll find material without laugh tracks on it that can be used.

My feeling is that Rimmer should be kept in the movie ... at least he's in Tikka To Ride, which is a pretty cinematic episode, and some clever editing should keep him "around" in the plot for at least most of the proceedings.

The bad CGI that's all through series 7 and 8 should be replaced whenever possible by the original model effects from series 1-6 which you can get in lovely quality in the DVD extras. Shot on film, the model shots are presented uncut and look VERY filmic.

There's even an easter egg on one of the series which shows a cool effect where a wide shot of the Dwarf crew is shot on film, and then there's a shot of them literally projected into the Starbug cockpit, a very difficult effect, unused in the final show.

This could make a good title sequence.



Okay, here's some ideas ....

The opening should be like it was in series 1 .... very slow and cinematic, a la 2001. With THAT theme music. Y'know. You could use some effects model shots of Starbug from any series to run with the opening titles, which would be very understated a la MST3K the movie or Serenity. The aforementioned "shot on film" tests of the Dwarf crew could be used. Maybe.


I would love to see Holly have the first line with "This is a distress call from the mining ship Red Dwarf." Although at this point in the story Red Dwarf is lost in space, the distress call would still be floating out there, if we were in the right place to receive it. So that would be cool.


Actually I had thought at one point that Holly should be edited into the movie, just to have him in there. There's more than enough deleted/laugh track less Holly material from series 1, 2, Nanarchy and 8 to do something with him. He would be aboard Starbug in the way that HattieHolly was.


I definitely feel that Tikka to Ride and Ouroboros can link together as one story, since there are a few things they have in common.


Preferably I'd like to see Kochanski NOT introduced in this version of Ouroboros, as if she's already there in the storyline, but I can live with this movie including her introduction as a character.

As long as you don't kill off Wash or Book ... wait, wrong show ...



Red Dwarf, the Movie.

I'm watching Red Dwarf series 7 for the first time - I'd always avoided it after seeing one awful episode from it (Stoke Me a Clipper) ... it's clearly the worst series for a great show ...

But watching the DVD's extended versions of "Tikka to Ride" and "Ouroboros", which are presented without a laugh track ...

This might as well be Red Dwarf the movie. They're all filmlooked, and only rarely look like video during these episodes due to the single-camera style. There's a flashback and time travel aspect to both episodes that would lend itself well to a movie, and to including clips from previous series ... we flash back to the end of series 6, the beginning of series 1 (to annoyingly rewrite history and include the black hole of comedy herself, Chloe Annett, who sucks the humor out of the series ... but never mind, it'd be a good excuse to revisit series 1 or 8 in the movie) ... Lister's wedding to a Gelf back in ... series 5 I think ... is also referenced.

These being flashbacks, they wouldn't have to look like film, if you kept them brief. You'd have to be carefully choose non laugh track material though ... thankfully the DVDs contain lots of material without laugh tracks as deleted scenes, outtakes etc.

These two episodes do link together slightly, despite Rimmer not being in the latter. The ending to Ouroboros, which is a good one, uses the time travel device from Tikka to Ride.

I think that these episodes and others from Red Dwarf series 7 could be edited together into one coherent story. I think the pace should be picked up a bit, because it doesn't quite work without the laugh track.

Effects shots from previous series could be used in all their filmy glory, and if possible, I'd like to see Holly brought back somehow. You'd have to keep Rimmer in the story too somehow.

You'd also have to crop the 4x3 footage to 16x9, and sort of rework the order of things, introduce the plotlines of all the episodes you're using together at the beginning of the film.


But it would definitely work. It's halfway there already.


Just an idea.
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#253254
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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Very nice! Glad to hear it - would like to see it. A "flashback" structure going back to previous series would help a lot. All the "Xtended" episodes and deleted scene sections would be up for grabs to pull material from.

I don't know how much help I could be, as this is the sort of thing you have to figure out during editing - find clever ways to put several episodes together, but good luck!
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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The menu is functional on every player I've ever tried it on, and most players certainly. I've heard a couple people have problems with it on this title, but they are not widespread, and not my work ... even so, you don't need completely functioning menus to play this pretty simply-designed title!


The sound mix on the Star Wars Classic Edition is based on the mono mix and was designed to replace it. Due to the slight timing differences between this cut and the original, it was necessary to do a new edit of the sound in general.
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#252939
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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Well, I left in the newly-shot Oola scene on purpose, because I kind of liked it and wanted to see if it would work in the original cut.

There's an option to skip it for purists.

Star Wars and Empire both had several different sound mixes that I was trying to resolve into one mix, which wasn't as true with Jedi, so to make this edit more different from other edits out there I put Oola in there, and it's a weird decision but an interesting one too.
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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Heheh. Great work Spence. You should put anything you do up at Youtube, it'd be a big hit.

Few little comments - the voices from the real film should be louder. You may want to just use the real sound mix and Williams score in many places. Also the narration before "No" is a little long, it's straining to fit into that timeslot. Cut a little bit of it out.

Best wishes.
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#252874
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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>> Can't wait to see 2.0. What are you going to change?

Well, in the original Star Wars Classic, the film isn't actually running at the normal 24 frames per second. It was edited in 24 frames per second, but Final Cut Pro, when exporting it, changed it to 30 frames per second, adding lots of "junk" frames. So the movement isn't smooth, it's slightly staggered, which is evident in camera moves.

I also edited it using the miniDV codec, which is a very limited codec - when the codec comes up with oversaturated reds, blues, yellows or other colors, it renders them as blocky blocky blocks - looks very ugly. I now use the PhotoJPEG codec for DVD work which isn't limited in that way.

What I'm saying is, it would just look better if I edited it again.

My source for the laserdisc material in Star Wars Classic was the Cowclops 2.0 transfer, which was a very nice transfer, but for Empire and Jedi I had discovered Moth3r's superior PAL transfers - which I wish I'd used for Star Wars Classic. Now there's the 2006 Lucasfilm transfer, which is superior to the other laserdisc transfers out there, including even Moth3r's in most ways.

In addition there were a couple of errors in the edit. Anyone who's seen the edit knows that somehow a CGI shot I had deleted accidentally returned and slipped into the final Death Star battle by mistake ....

So yeah, a few things I could do differently.
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#252800
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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The auditions are a really common bootleg, they leaked years ago.

Quite interesting stuff, particularly the bits with Kurt Russell.


My DVD is from a VHS bought at Comic Con in the late 90s, which I thought was better quality than the DVDs circulating out there. So I made my own DVD and threw on the Pryor skit and The Saga Begins as bonuses.

As usual for any DVD, just write me at *****.



Oh - in non-fan DVD news, two Orange Cow features are coming out in special edition DVDs this week.

2005's Gods of Los Angeles has been slightly spruced up with revised credits and a reedited scene, and there are plans to record a commentary - this new version is intended to go with the two Special Features discs for the film, which are already out (Featuring 90 minutes of deleted scenes including an appearance by Neil Innes of the Monty Python films and The Rutles, 1 hour of outtakes, nearly 4 hours of cast interviews, and all kinds of other fun).

1999's The Phantom Movie, a spoof of the Phantom Menace, was one of the first Orange Cow features. It's out on special edition DVD in all its cheesy glory, with over a half hour of outtakes, a commentary recorded way back in 1999, a new introduction and some other rare clips.


Oh, and I've also just drawn and posted some new designs for my animated series concept, The Chosen Ones. I go into detail about what I was ripping off when drawing it ...
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#252799
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Let's just say it would take months to carefully go through it. It's just a nice storage space for hundreds of articles and thousands of pieces of original artwork from the film over the years.



Arnaud Hilmarcher has offered to buy the Thief script. So I guess nobody else bid on it! I'm very grateful and will repay Arnaud with lots of DVDs.


One of these days I should probably actually watch The Thief of Baghdad (1940), to know one of the sources both Dick and Disney were working from.


When I was a kid, I remember my sister watching a later Thief of Baghdad film over and over. Steve Reeves. She liked him.

Ah yes, it's this 1961 Italian effort. Not much to do with the 1940 or other versions, same title.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054013/


Slightly off topic:
When I was a kid, the first book on animation I ever really had was The Animator's Workbook by British animator Tony White. The beautiful artwork was also my first introduction to the style of animation that Richard Williams had begun out in London.

I've spoken to Mr. White more recently giving my respect for his work, and I'm excited that he's got a new book out. I've seen his reel as well as his new film Endangered Species ... the man is as talented as ever.

Here's a great, long interview with him about the book and the status of the animation industry in general.

http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=12129




Harvey Kalmanson - voice casting for the Calvert cut.
http://www.kalmenson.com/harvbio.htm


Reviews this week:


Tim Froh - "Xanadu" blog

Wednesday, September 06, 2006

Butchered Masterpieces Pt. 1 - The Thief and the Cobbler (Richard Williams, USA, 1964-1992)
In a history that now spans over a century, cinema has seen its fair share of unfairly butchered films. These wild cutting practices were not only common, but some are downright notorious (Erich Von Stroheim's Greed and Orson Welles' The Magnificent Ambersons are two of the most infamous in Hollywood history). Such butchering though, was not the exclusive domain of early Hollywood cinema. As recently as 1995, Richard Williams' as yet unfinished animated gem The Thief and the Cobbler, was butchered not once, but twice, by two different studios.

Like any discussion of a lost, butchered, or unfinished work of art, The Thief and the Cobbler must first be put into its proper creative context. Begun in 1964 under the working title Nasruddin (the film was to be based on the "wise fool" hero of its title), Williams wanted to craft an animated epic, a hand drawn masterpiece that would be enjoyed for generations. While the Nasruddin concept was dropped in 1972, all of the animation not featuring Nasruddin himself, and all of Vincent Price's voicework for the character that became ZigZag, was retained. Williams promised that the new film would be "the first animated film with a real plot that locks together like a detective story at the end."

In 1986, Williams received the backing and financing of producer Jake Eberts, and after the success of Who Framed Roger Rabit?, The Thief and the Cobbler was picked up for distribution by Warner Brothers studio. However, when Williams still had not completed the film by Warners' 1991 deadline (Williams apparently found storyboards creatively constricting, among other things) and with Disney's Aladdin project (which borrowed imagery from Thief) a looming threat, the investors asked Williams to fill in the remaining fifteen minutes of the film with storyboards and show them a rough cut. Unimpressed, they backed out and the Completion Bond Company took over control of the project.

At this point, the project completely collapsed. A television animator, Fred Calvert, was hired to finish the film. He leased out the new work to animators in Korea. The results were nothing short of disastrous as the film quickly evolved into something very far from Williams' original vision. This version of the picture, re-titled The Princess and the Cobbler, was released internationally, but in America, the film was re-cut even further by Disney subsiduary Miramax, who added new voices for previously mute characters and created new songs. This version, titled Arabian Knight, was an even greater distortion of Williams' project than the Calvert version.

All that remains for American audiences is the Miramax cut, available on DVD, and Williams' bootleg version, the very same cut that he showed to the Warners investors. For years, this bootleg version had circulated in animation circles, and was revered as something of a lost masterpiece. Now this bootleg is available to anyone willing to watch. Broken up into seventeen parts on Youtube, the bootleg version is, barring some kind of miracle, the closest thing we'll ever have to Williams' original vision. It's unfortunate that this animated masterpiece may never be finished, let alone released in this form on DVD.

What remains is nevertheless a beautiful, exotic, rapturous animated masterwork. Williams and his team of animators crafted a splendidly fluid kind of animation. That such remarkably complex frames could be pieced together without the aid of CGI and look so good is a tribute to the care with which Williams constructed his picture. Two particular sequences in the film stand out. In one, the cobbler chases the thief across the Escher-like tableau of the Golden City palace, encountering optical illusions and pitfalls along the way. In another, the film's climactic battle, Williams constructed a Rube Goldberg series of destruction that will leave you speechless.

In recent years, it has been rumored that Disney was planning on resurrecting this butchered masterpiece, but the battle for control of the company put these plans on hold indefinitely. Now seventy-three years old, we can only hope that some day Richard Williams is given the chance to complete his life's work, so unfairly snatched from him nearly fifteen years ago. It's easy to forget that the film business, particularly in the United States, is exactly that. A business. Williams was but one of many of its victims in an ongoing struggle between art and commerce.


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But don't dis Pixar ...


Empire State Blues blog:
The Thief and the Cobbler: The Greatest Movie You Will Never See
It may be Labor Day, but ESB keeps on rollin’!

Let’s be honest for a moment. How many people think that today’s animated feature films totally suck? I sure do. I mean, it may just be because I’m becoming an adult with discerning adult tastes, but seriously, I’ll fight any man who says that Cars is better fare than Aladdin or The Lion King. They just don’t draw ‘em like they used to; in fact, they don’t “draw ‘em” at all anymore. The decline and fall of animated motion pictures has been a depressing descent, as genuine art is replaced by repetitive gimmicks in familiar settings (“Cars!” “Bugs!” “Trainz!” “Toyz!”) and interesting ideas are scrapped in favor of crowd-pleasers and CGI witchcraft. And there’s no greater example of true animated art defeated by modern oblivion than The Thief and the Cobbler.

This selection comes from the “incredible crying shame” department. Whether we know his name or not, we all know the work of animation maestro Richard Williams, the brains behind the cartoons in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and the Academy Award-winning short A Christmas Carol. Williams’ masterpiece, however, was a little personal project called The Thief and the Cobbler, an Arabian Nights-esque tale which he started work on in the 60’s using his own money. Featuring epic, lush, and incredibly beautiful animation heavily influenced by Islamic decorative art, the lovingly-made but slow-to-finish TTatC was pretty much doomed the minute Disney announced Aladdin, which was staffed by numerous veterans from the TTatC team and ripped off pretty much everything in Williams’ unfinished movie. It’s unbelievable how many sequences in Aladdin were lifted wholesale from this film. Finally in 1995 a bastardized version of Williams’ baby was released sans his consent, featuring TERRIBLE voiceovers (including ones for characters who were intended to be silent), trite song-and-dance numbers and a totally kiddified version of what was intended to be a mature movie. What a sucky finish.

But thank Allah, it was not the finish. Over the summer, YouTube has been touched by the work of a benevolent and talented soul known as tygerbug, who has succeeded in piecing together (from released animation as well as rough sketches and workprints) what he believes to be a film closer to Williams’ original vision. Cleverly entitled The Thief and the Cobbler: The Recobbled Cut tygerbug brings justice to a piece of art which dearly deserves it.

I mean, look at this thing. It’s the most fucking beautiful animated film I’ve seen in my life. The titular characters are (mercifully) silent as intended, and the film drops the handholding introduction and absurd narration. The cut refuses to insult its viewers’ intelligence and allows them to freely follow what is mostly a silent film, save for the slippery coolness of Vincent Price-voiced villain Zigzag, who weaves his nefarious plots in rhyme. The art is INCREDIBLE, a lavish hallucinogenic effort, capturing the distinctive Islamic style and featuring some really well-designed characters. It’s just so much fun to watch.

If you want to see this movie, and really, it’s worth it, you should not rent the DVD version available at your local Blockbuster or NetFlix unless you want to be disappointed. At first I thought about suggesting watching it with the sound off, but then you’d miss out on the decent score and Vincent Price’s pipes. Do yourself a favor and go to YouTube to watch the Recobbled Cut, or any one of its seventeen bite-sized pieces. You’ll see what I mean. Plus, it’s sort of cool to see the rough sketches spliced in with the recovered animation. It gives it a real underground feel and allows you to see glimpses of Williams’ vision still on paper.

Hopefully, someone at Warner Bros. will realize what they have done and attempt to right the wrong. Somehow, someday, I hope something like the Recobbled Cut will be released on DVD or Blu-Ray or whatever. This movie needs to be saved, saved, SAVED!!

If you want a quick taste of what this movie has to offer, I suggest you watch Part 4.

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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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I've occasionally posted some ideas for edits in the "Post your dream fan edits" thread. Nothing I ever intended to do myself .... although actually many ideas I floated in the thread wound up happening - like my Doctor Who: The Ten Doctors, The Thief Recobbled .... and some other things I suggested which other people actually had done or did ....


Anyway, here were some of my ideas for fan edits. If you need an idea for a fan edit, some of these might strike your fancy. Some of them are also impossible, but some might strike your fancy.


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The extended rare UK Muppet Movie, but apart from Ben I don't know who has a good copy of it.


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A "Greenscreen" cut of Sin City, minus any effects, appears on the Sin City Recut disc, but sped up to a very fast speed. It would be nice to get that footage slowed down, and synced with the actual movie at the actual speed, combined with any other snippets of green screen/unfinished footage seen in the making of documentaries.


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I attempted an edit of the A Chorus Line movie once many years ago, because it's such a classic show and such a horrible movie, but I gave up on it as impossible, just because it doesn't have "Hello Twelve, Hello Thirteen, Hello Love" in it at all. That's the centerpiece of the whole show, without it the movie doesn't have a heart. There's really no way to fake an entire musical number.


How about Almost Famous with extended musical sequences including some form of "Small Time Blues?" ("Small Time Blues" was the inspiration for the "Angel Town" sequence in my film Gods of Los Angeles.)

The Masters of the Universe movie would be a fun reedit - it would still suck, but one could reedit it to be more like an episode of the TV series. You could make it short ...


At one point I had considered doing an edit of Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - reinstating the cut scenes from the DVD, moving The Crimson Permanent Assurance back into the movie at the right point, and reinstating cut/changed lines heard on the soundtrack album ("Well, it's sort of a link." "Ooh, have a nice month.")


This would be weird and kind of pointless, but how about an edit of The Nightmare Before Christmas which uses the opening/closing narration (Patrick Stewart) from the soundtrack album, maybe a couple of cut shots from the DVD if they're worth it (but there's not much to speak of), and maybe even have someone animate (via CGI, but to look like cutout silhouettes) the cut "Oogie's Dance" segment heard on the soundtrack and discussed in the book.

That would be pointless, wouldn't it ...

Easy dumb obvious one - Extended Sin City. Cut back into one movie, a la the theatrical cut, but with the extra scenes of Hartigan's wife and Mort and the Nurse put AFTER the appearance by Senator Roark, where they'll make about ten times more sense.

In my "impossible dream edit" category:

Terry Gilliam claims that his second-to-last cut of The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (running 12 minutes longer) was much better than what was released, because it had a more natural pace and "breathing room." This cut is long since lost. The Criterion DVD didn't turn up much deleted footage ... most notable was a better extended cameo for Gilliam himself.

The deleted host segments from MST3K: The Movie have turned up somewhere, haven't they? Probably a terrible cam bootleg from one of the conventions.

Also impossible:
I'd like to see an extended Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, as the released version has big "what the hell" holes in it. Scenes cut out are very obvious.


But I don't think they've been released anywhere.
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I've got one - Red Dwarf, the Movie.

I'm watching Red Dwarf series 7 for the first time - I'd always avoided it after seeing one awful episode from it (Stoke Me a Clipper) ... it's clearly the worst series for a great show ...

But watching the DVD's extended versions of "Tikka to Ride" and "Ouroboros", which are presented without a laugh track ...

This might as well be Red Dwarf the movie. They're all filmlooked, and only rarely look like video during these episodes due to the single-camera style. There's a flashback and time travel aspect to both episodes that would lend itself well to a movie, and to including clips from previous series ... we flash back to the end of series 6, the beginning of series 1 (to annoyingly rewrite history and include the black hole of comedy herself, Chloe Annett, who sucks the humor out of the series ... but never mind, it'd be a good excuse to revisit series 1 or 8 in the movie) ... Lister's wedding to a Gelf back in ... series 5 I think ... is also referenced.

These being flashbacks, they wouldn't have to look like film, if you kept them brief. You'd have to be carefully choose non laugh track material though ... thankfully the DVDs contain lots of material without laugh tracks as deleted scenes, outtakes etc.

These two episodes do link together slightly, despite Rimmer not being in the latter. The ending to Ouroboros, which is a good one, uses the time travel device from Tikka to Ride.

I think that these episodes and others from Red Dwarf series 7 could be edited together into one coherent story. I think the pace should be picked up a bit, because it doesn't quite work without the laugh track.

Effects shots from previous series could be used in all their filmy glory, and if possible, I'd like to see Holly brought back somehow. You'd have to keep Rimmer in the story too somehow.

You'd also have to crop the 4x3 footage to 16x9, and sort of rework the order of things, introduce the plotlines of all the episodes you're using together at the beginning of the film.


But it would definitely work. It's halfway there already.


Just an idea.

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New thread! Now I won't have to clutter up the Thief and the Cobbler thread with my own personal news anymore. I felt bad posting about things like my ill-fated MTV appearance in there, or when Bonnie Rose won the Colbert Report Green Screen Challenge. Now I can't even post in the Thief thread - I think it's full or broken or something.

From now on, the news will go here ....

And of course also at my blog and message board at http://ffrevolution.com/InvisionBoard, which is updated almost daily. This week I'm ranting about X3: The Last Stand and David Tennant in Secret Smile. Do women write better crime drama than men? Has Wolverine turned into Cyclops? How heterosexual should comic movies be?


Anyway.

Over in The Thief thread, we've been talking about the original Thief script that's up at Ebay.

Arnaud Hilmarcher has offered to buy the Thief script! I will be sending him lots of DVDs in return. So nobody else bid I guess.


I am considering doing a few new fan edit projects. One idea I have is going to be a little comedy short along the lines of the Doctor Who Ten Doctors trailer - it combines a comedy show we all watch with a superhero we all know. We'll see if I actually go through with that.


And I have to get around to doing The Bonzo Dog Band: Talking Pictures 2 eventually. People have been asking for the Jazz Bilden footage from it, which you can see at Youtube.


But the big news is that I'm seriously considering doing a new edit of the first Star Wars ... and I've spoken about this before, probably as much as a year ago.

I'm very proud of all my Classic Edition edits, which restored the original versions of the Star Wars films in DVD quality, with new sound mixes combining "the best of all versions."

But I must admit that Empire and Jedi Classic came out better than Star Wars did. I learned a lot doing Star Wars Classic, about how to edit material while maintaining the quality of the original DVD, and so I was able to improve my methods a LOT for Empire and Jedi, and even more for The Thief and the Cobbler.

I'm still proud of Star Wars Classic, but I've always felt I could do it better if I tried again. And with all the hoo-hah about these crappy new Lucasfilm 2006 DVDs, people have been bugging me via email to actually do it, and you know who you are.

I'd like to try to color correct the 2004 DVD a bit, make it look more like the original - as much as I can working in Final Cut Pro, and with Mac programs. Other people working on PC have done verrry nice things with the color correction on these DVDs, though none of them have done the whole movie for DVD release sadly. Yet.

I'd like to do it. I'm busy these days, but I'd like to do it. And if I did it, I could do it in a matter of days. You know how fast I work.

I don't know if anyone would be interested, though. With the work that other people are doing, maybe my style of restoration isn't needed on Star Wars in particular.

If you want me to do this edit, just post here, let me know.


I actually have an idea I thought would be cool.

I have all these extra DVDs lying around, things I burned and then forgot why I'd burned them. A lot of them are Star Wars, a lot are Monty Python or Bonzo Dog or Muppets or Thief and the Cobbler, a lot are just random things. Nothing commercially available, you know, the usual weird preservations you get round here.

I was thinking I could take pre-orders for a new Star Wars Classic Edition, before I'm even done with it (because it's easier to mail out lots of discs in one go and that would be damn good incentive for me to finish the edit quick) .... and anyone who pre-orders would get a free random disc with it, what I used to call the Mystery Disc. There is a risk that you might get something you already have, but I bet for most people it would be a nice surprise.


Whaddaya think? Am I a fool, or does this sound fun?

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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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Hello there. This is Garrett Gilchrist. I am a filmmaker originally from Monroe, Connecticut now living in Los Angeles. I have directed seven features including the drama Gods of Los Angeles. I am a writer, artist, animator, editor, actor and standup comedian.

Occasionally I make fan DVDs.

My site is *****, my blog is *****, and my email is *****, where you can get my current DVD collection list and check for availability via mail.

In this thread I'll be posting the latest news about what I'm working on - hopefully mostly related to my work creating fan DVDs.

A few of my fan DVDs you might have seen:

*** Star Wars: Deleted Magic - A feature-length documentary about the deleted scenes from and making of the first Star Wars. Done with help from Sluggo and many many more. A completely different way of watching the film, this DVD kick-started a genre of fan edits that "deconstruct the films" .... such as Jambe Davdar's brilliant "A/V Commentary" Building Empire, about The Empire Strikes Back (Returning to Jedi is coming soon), as well as daveytod's Revealing the Sith and The Clones Revealed. You can watch Deleted Magic at Youtube or download it at myspleen.net.

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1284

*** Star Wars: Classic Edition Trilogy - Restoration of the original versions of the original Star Wars films, "Not as they were, but as you remember them." The 2004 DVDs of the special editions, with all their high DVD clarity, were reedited together with scenes from the old laserdiscs, to restore the films to their original edits .... new sound mixes were created for all three films, using rare elements from, say, the Star Wars mono mix or the Empire album, to make these edits surprising and different from any existing edit, but matching the best bits of what you would have seen in theaters back when. Empire and Jedi came out particularly well. "The only Star Wars DVDs you need." Email ***** for availability.

Star Wars - Features a newly-edited commentary track featuring the entire cast, isolated
score and THX intro.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2270

The Empire Strikes Back Classic Edition - With isolated score and Emperor scene comparison.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=3289

Return of the Jedi Classic Edition - With isolated score and four easter eggs.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=4133




*** Return of the Ewok and Other Little Films - Classic 1983 film starring Warwick Davis and the cast of Return of the Jedi (filmed onset by David Tomblin). Cute and nostalgic, this film is rarely seen - here Skot Kirkwood and I attempted to restore a horrible quality camcorder bootleg of the film. The sound is a bit muddy but you get the idea. For extra value, lots of weird and amusing clips are included - Star Wars Deleted Scenes clips (edits unique to this disc, not on Deleted Magic), commercials, The Creatures Go to England, Making of Star Wars Special Edition, Donny and Marie Osmond Do Star Wars (worse than the Holiday Special - I should point out that I now have a better copy of Donny and Marie), Muppet Show w/Mark Hamill, Mark Hamill TV Intro 84, Star Tours Ride
Video, THX Soundtrack!

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2183

*** Special Edition Hype - Co-project with Alex Brunelle. Preservation of some Lucas self-promotion from 1997, rarely seen since. Brings you back to a year when Star Wars hype returned in full force. Featuring The Magic and the Mystery, MTV Special, The Force Returns, Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/Pepsi/EmpireSE ads, and, as a special easter egg treat, my own documentary, Talking to People About Star Wars.

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2238


*** Star Wars Auditions - 90 min, 1975. Preservation of the original audition tapes for Star Wars featuring many popular 1970s actors. With the Richard Pryor Cantina Skit and The Saga Begins video (Weird Al) - both in high DVD quality.

*** The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut
The definitive unofficial presentation of this classic film. Painstakingly restored. Done with help from a cast of thousands, too many to mention here.

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=4256

This is a rarely seen animated film by Richard Williams, animator of Who Framed Roger Rabbit? The master animator worked for almost three decades on this unusual, 60s-styled, Yellow Submarine-like Arabian Nights fantasy. The animation is gorgeous, more ambitious than pretty much any animated film you can think of. The film was the inspiration for Disney's Aladdin, which proved to be its downfall. Financed with his own money for decades, when the film was nearly complete, Williams was fired from his own film by Warner Bros., who feared that Aladdin would destroy the film at the box office. The film was given to another director, who turned it into a shadow of its former self. Disney eventually bought it, and ruined it further through editing. The film has never been seen as Richard Williams intended - until now. The film is unfinished, but here we see it restored in a way that matches the original vision. Watch it at Youtube and download the DVD at demonoid.com.

Features:
- Recobbled Cut Trailer
- Arabian Knight Trailer
- Allied Filmmakers Trailer - New for Mark II!
- Nine Image Galleries - 3 New for Mark II!
"Deleted Characters" section featuring:
- Enchanted Prince Bubba: Witch sequence - More for Mark II!
- Princess Meemee - Bath sequence
- Mullah Nasruddin: Bread sequence - New for Mark II!
- Animated menus featuring pencil tests from the original film
- About the Film
- Restoration commentary by Garrett Gilchrist and Patrick McCart


More discs related to the Thief and the Cobbler:
RICHARD WILLIAMS COLLECTION:
+ The Thief and the Cobbler workprint and DVD-ROM extras
+ The Thief Who Never Gave Up Documentary/Charge of the Light Brigade/Return of the Pink Panther
+ Making of Nasrudin - A Creative Man (1966), Clapperboard 1&2 (1972), Liquidator titles, Panther ads
+ NEW! Richard Williams Studio Animated Commercials (50 min), Animating Art, Nasruddin "Bread Scene" clip, Roger Rabbit Trailer, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum end titles, Thief Warner Bros. Licensing Trailer, Allied Filmmakers Trailer, Arabian Knight Trailer
+ Rare Thief and the Cobbler pencil-camera tests/The Pink Panther Strikes Again titles/I Drew Roger Rabbit/A Christmas Carol/Arabian Knight Trailer
+ Ziggy's Gift/Ziggy Cartoons/Fred Calvert's Princess and the Cobbler: Work In Progress Version
+ Raggedy Ann & Andy ("fake widescreen" 24p remastered - also available in normal pan & scan)
+ Arabian Knight (Miramax Cut) Japanese widescreen DVD (Arabian Knight is also available in pan & scan)
+ The Princess and the Cobbler (Calvert Cut) Australian Pan & Scan DVD (PAL)
+ The Princess and the Cobbler (Calvert Cut) Timecoded Widescreen from rare VHS (good quality, timecoded with trailer)
+ NEW! Thief pencil tests (56 minutes), Richard Williams interviews (Roger Rabbit & The Thief), Richard at the British Film Awards, Roger Rabbit Test, Air Canada ad, National Film Board of Canada Richard Williams film intros, Nasruddin clip, Oscar Grillo's Seaside Woman (PAL)
+ NEW! I Drew Roger Rabbit (better version), Williams commercials (same as other disc but PAL), Warners trailer (PAL)
+ NEW! Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toontown/Roger Rabbit TV spots (Diet Coke, McDonald's)
+ NEW! Roger Rabbit Reviews (Siskel & Ebert etc., with CBS "Pig Head" version)
+ The Thief Scrapbook - Huge collection of articles, artwork and more on a data DVD. Being added to all the time.



http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=4662

THE BONZO DOG BAND: Talking Pictures - The definitive DVD compiling incredibly rare performances by this legendary and hilarious acid-jazz band from the 60s. Any Monty Python or Beatles fan will enjoy the bizarre and always-surprising band who were friends with both groups. With Vivian Stanshall, Neil Innes, Roger Ruskin-Spear, Legs Larry Smith, Rodney Slater, Dennis Cowan, Vernon Dudley Bohay-Nowell, Sam Spoons, Dave Clague.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=4662&highlight_key=y

Many many many other Bonzo Dog, Neil Innes, Rutles and Monty Python related DVDs have been preserved by me, notably the Rutland Weekend Television and Innes Book of Records series. For the whole gigantic list, email me at *****.

Talking Pictures tracklist:

Intro (Dog)/Death Cab for Cutie (MMT)
Hello (We Are Normal)
Canyons of Your Mind (CMP)
I'm the Urban Spaceman (CMP)
Monster Mash (DNAYS)
Equestrian Statue/Newsflash (BC)
Little Sir Echo (BC)
The Sound of Music (DNAYS)
4 Fables/Seaside Poem (IBOR)
Mr. Apollo (CMP)/Sinister (IBOR)
Love is a Cylindrical Piano (DNAYS)
Metaphorically Speaking (DNAYS)
By a Waterfall (DNAYS)
Merry Christmas (DNAYS)
I'm the Urban Spaceman (DNAYS)
Eleven Moustachioed Daughters (BiG GRunt)
Hunting Tigers Out in "Indiah"
Head Ballet (Pathe)
Equestrian Statue (Pathe)
The Bride Stripped Bare by "Bachelors" (montage)
Death Cab for Cutie (DNAYS)
Beautiful Zelda (DNAYS)
Adventures of the Son of Exploding Sausage (clip)
Room With a View (The Big Show)
Little Sir Echo (New Faces)
Tubas in the Moonlight (DNAYS)
Canyons of Your Mind (BC)
I'm the Urban Spaceman (BC)
Jollity Farm (cartoon)
DNAYS sketches
Ready-Mades (montage)
I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles (Full House)
Humanoid Boogie (IBOR reedit)
We Were Wrong ("Urban Spaceman" minstrel promo montage)
Hello Mabel (DNAYS)
Vivian Stanshall Adverts - Ruddles, Cadbury's (3), Tennent
Look Out, There's a Monster Coming (DNAYS)
I'm the Urban Spaceman (IBOR)
The Intro and the Outro (DNAYS)
Equestrian Statue (DNAYS)
Rawlinson End
Wheelbarrow
Nice and Tidy
Quiet Talks and Summer Walks (IBOR reedit)
Rawlinson End clip: "Riddles"
Imagination
I'm the Urban Spaceman (RWT)
Suspicion
The Cracks Are Showing
The End (New Faces)
I'd Rather Cut My Hands (Crank)
Fishing (OMW)

Bonus features:
Full House with Roger Ruskin-Spear
Friday Night, Saturday Morning with Vivian Stanshall
Eric Idle sings Captain Fantastic
Karaoke feature


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OTHER PROJECTS -

Doctor Who: The Ten Doctors - A seven-minute short trailer in which all the incarnations of Doctor Who meet, with amusing results. Watch it at Youtube or download the DVD at demonoid.com.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=6035&highlight_key=y



OCPMOVIE RELEASES COMING SOON ?

THE BONZO DOG BAND: Talking Pictures 2 - An extended 3-disc set featuring more fun with the legendary and hilarious acid-jazz band from the 60s/70s. Check out the Jazz Bilden clips at Youtube.com.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=4662&highlight_key=y

STAR WARS: CLASSIC EDITION 2.0 - I am considering doing a revised restoration of the first Star Wars, to improve on my Classic Edition edit. If you'd like this to happen, let me know in this thread.



OTHER PROJECTS OF WHICH I APPROVE -

Not my work, but these are good releases, support them.

BEER WARS - Crappy Logo Productions painstakingly restored Curt Markham's very funny 1994 short "Beer Wars," which combined Star Wars with audio from the cult Canadian comedy Strange Brew, starring Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas. Watch it at Youtube and download at Myspleen.net. I didn't do anything, but the restoration was my idea anyway. We eventually got in touch with Curt Markham, the original editor.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=4777&highlight_key=y

Building Empire - Jambe Davdar in England created this wonderful look at the making of The Empire Strikes Back. I didn't do anything, but was supportive.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2782&highlight_key=y

Dark Jedi's Pan & Scan Original Trilogy - Preservation of the pan & scan laserdiscs of the original Star Wars films, the cropped versions we grew up with.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2625

The Fisher King Criterion Preservation - Dave West transferred Alex Brunelle's laserdiscs of the now-rare special edition of this great Terry Gilliam film. I didn't do anything, but was supportive.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5286&highlight_key=y

Willard: The Ratman's Cut - Alex Brunelle's R-rated revision of the great Crispin Glover remake.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=3074&highlight_key=y

PROJECTS BY FRIENDS OF MINE COMING SOON? OR?

Adventures of Baron Munchausen Criterion Preservation - Dave West is waiting to transfer Alex Brunelle's laserdiscs of the now-rare special edition of this great Terry Gilliam film. Alex needs to send them to him.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5286&highlight_key=y

Ridgeshark's Extended Army of Darkness - Scott is doing a nice job with his extended cut of the Sam Raimi/Bruce Campbell classic. I applaud and hope he finishes soon.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5053&highlight_key=y

Returning to Jedi - Everyone on these boards is awaiting Jambe Davdar's look at the making of Return of the Jedi.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=4184&highlight_key=y

MUPPET MOVIE EXTENDED - There's a rare British extended version of The Muppet Movie with a better ending. Ben "Tequila Mockingbird" was going to transfer this but is so busy that this is looking more and more unlikely. I do have a low quality copy of the extended clips.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5788&highlight_key=y

Note that I have preserved many rare Muppet clips including all of The Jim Henson Hour. Write me at *****.

I'm also looking forward to the Commercials and Trailers discs Skot and Sluggo are doing over in forum 9. Lotsa love. I hope Skot does that epic Holiday Special release sometime.



SOME OTHER USEFUL LINKS:

Scans from the Star Wars Poster Book, good for you fan DVD cover creators.
http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/SWposterbook/

A Chicago Tribune article about my work and the work of others on this site.
http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/classiceditiontribunearticle.html

How I did it - A post about my methods when creating the Jedi Classic Edition.
http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/how%20i%20did%20it.rtf

Covers for my Star Wars discs created by me:
http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/swcovers-ocp/

And not created by me - with wonderful work by Coov and others:
http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/swcovers-nonocp/

Various Thief and the Cobbler files:
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/

My cover for The Thief and the Cobbler:
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/cobbleramarayv3.jpg

My cover for Raggedy Ann and Andy:
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/raggedyamaray.jpg

My cover for Gods of Los Angeles:
http://www.orangecow.org/godsofla/posters/godsoflaamaray.jpg

Orange Cow Productions website:
orangecow.org

FFrevolution.com - message board and blog, latest news always there first -
ffrevolution.com/InvisionBoard