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#254965
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Really sad.


>>On an unrelated note, I bought a CD of Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade today and it was insane how much the music reminded me of the film - I didn't realize how much of it Williams used.

There is a good amount of Scheherezade in the workprint - although I used a lot more in my own cut, because I wanted to make the Recobbled Cut have more music in it and thus sound more "finished."

>> It also explains why Garret decided to use that melodic theme for the thief in the Mk II DVD...

What theme? In the original Recobbled, I had some pretty heavy use of Robert Folk's theme from Arabian Knight. People complained about using too much of the Arabian Knight score, as that was a poor version of the film, and Alex W called it just a Pink Panther ripoff theme anyway.

I removed some of the Folk score for Mark II ...


>> By the way, did someone steal the package that Garret sent to Richard Williams, was it lost, or what? Seems odd...

I sent the package to Williams' publisher Faber & Faber, so there was no guarantee it would ever get to him. Speaking to a friend of Williams' a while back he hadn't received it then, but there was still a possibility he would.

Through that friend I heard that Richard still has the same policy on this film he's had for 15 years ... he doesn't want to talk about it publicly.

Richard and Mo had heard about my/our efforts here and were surprised I hadn't contacted them, but still didn't want to really discuss the film or be involved.

I emailed Mo Sutton a while back, and to date have not received a response.


I can completely understand the reasons for this and wish them luck as always.
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#254898
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254898/action/topic#254898
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***** is the email ....



Anyway - I may be moving, and currently staying at a friend's place with all my stuff in boxes, but I'm still Garrett Gilchrist and I'm still working.

I set up my Mac G4 on the kitchen table and spent a few hours finishing major picture editing on Star Wars Classic Edition 2.0.

It's all looking good. I still remember how I accomplished most of the edits the first time round, so I was able to redo my work but improve my methods with a few new tricks.

I'll burn this material to DVD and see how it looks on a TV screen - that always shows any errors in editing for what they are.

I also ripped a DVD for my secret little comedy project.


The first time round with Star Wars Classic Edition, I had wanted to do some Star Wars type wipes to hide my edits, but was unable to make them invisible. This time round I got it right, and the ability to wipe helped a lot.

At this point I'd like to mention one shot I HAVEN'T changed from the Special Edition. The shot where Luke sells his speeder. The Special Edition added some tiny little CGI ships in the background - very subtle but there. For my first Classic Edition I decided that it would be too difficult to fix this subtle change without making it too obvious - the subtle changes are always the hardest.

For the time being I have decided the same thing this time, again. I could fix the shot for most of its running time, but when Luke and Obi-Wan walk toward the camera, the difference in quality would show.

Hm.
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#254868
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Army of Darkness - The Primitive Screwhead Edition (Released)
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Seamless branching is usually a bad idea as it's tricky to get it right, but if you're just using it for the ending, that'd be a good idea and very easy to accomplish.

I know I've said that before.

The best seamless branching is just you asking the DVD to skip or rearrange certain chapters in the film. It'd be very easy to put both versions of the ending there, and set it so that the alternate can be played.

Again, I would edit the film with the "S-Mart" ending, and then place the "Apocalypse" ending after the credits. Selecting the S-Mart ending, the movie will play normally without any weird editing/branching glitches. Selecting the Apocalypse ending, you'll try to make it fit into your edit as seamlessly as possible (cutting the chapter mark on the same frame the "S-Mart" chapter also begins), although there will still be slight differences or glitches depending on what player is playing the edit.

For the rest of the edit, don't fiddle with seamless branching, it'll make a mess of your edit. Just choose your favorite version of each line. Although I suppose you could also do an alternate sound mix, which wouldn't necessitate any weird branching fiddleypoo.

Party on.
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#254148
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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Well, it's happening -

I am being asked to leave this apartment tomorrow, which is about 14 days sooner than I expected to leave it. What I'm going to do with myself livingwise for 14 days I have no idea.

I am trying to get packed and get my affairs in order today. My flight is on the 14th, a saturday.

I will be checking my email periodically I'm sure, but I won't be "around" for the next month in the way that I am normally "around."

Any unfulfilled orders I'll try to take care of today if possible.



Images from my test copy of the second half of Star Wars Classic Edition 2.0.

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I did complete editing on most of the Star Wars Classic Edition 2.0 .... my "first cut" of any fanedit, particularly a Classic Edition, is pretty much a test, and huge changes to the look and color correction will probably be made once I see it on a TV screen.

The big challenge color correctionwise was the black dropoff - the 2004 DVDs have very crushed blacks, and brightening up the dark areas of the image is the main thing I'm doing to give this disc that "Classic" feel. The blacks are lightened up greatly, and then I use Chromakey to key out the darkest areas of the image - a "black dropoff" to true black so that the image won't have grey blacks, but have true black.

It was hard to give the image a "true black" without taking away detail that ought to be there, or making the blacks too milky, and due to the slight PhotoJPEG and MPEG compression, the darkest areas of the image, when brightened up, often became very grainy and nasty in shots that are entirely dark, such as just shots of starfields.


So I'll see how it looks.

I completed most of the first half of the film also. I will probably have to do yet another sound mix for this edit from scratch. But we'll see.

At the moment I have bigger things to worry about - like moving.

Best wishes.
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#253690
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//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253690/action/topic#253690
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2 hours 24 minutes (plus what looks like credits), if you know how to read Final Cut Pro (which starts timecode at "1 hour") ....


Excited to see it!



I don't "get" that Deleted Magic cover Darth has gotten, but uh okay. I think these docs need something different than your usual crappy painting.

It's interesting to see my disc combined in a set with Jambe's .... I think they go together like ramalamadingdog, but it's kind of like Joss Whedon not wanting Buffy to show up in the series finale of Angel - Jambe/Angel has established his own identity and can more than stand on his own as superior in some ways and with a different fanbase.

Wait, what?


Okay, I just made that comparison so I can be Buffy


i kick vampires in the face
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#253676
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253676/action/topic#253676
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>>If there's anyone with the experience to combine the 2004 DVDs and the GOUT, it's you. Why haven't you announced this in the SW preservation forum?

Oh, I will eventually. I left that forum a bit back partly in protest of Lucas' policies and partly because I was kicked out by some people who claim their unreleased and unreleasable and almost nonexistent Star Wars edit will cure cancer, make blind people see and lame people walk, and bring the dead back to life!

Please let's not get into that again though. I don't want to talk about that situation. And the day their edit comes out and cures my nonexistent brain cancer, I'll applaud.


>> You mentioned that you're fixing the hallway in the detention block shootout. I understand your purist tendencies, but I think this is one of those very minor changes that you should keep. To me it's equivalent to fixing matte lines.

I kept it in last time.

This time round, I'm having some fun putting the old stuff back in. Errors and all.

For example, there's a shot where Vader's saber wasn't colored in. I've restored that shot to its uncolored glory.

I actually prefer it this way, for some reason I find all the changes distracting in some way.

These are such minor changes that I don't think most people notice them either way, so I like to err on the side of 1977ness and reward the few fans who know to look for these "errors."

>> And are you still going the same route with the '93/mono soundtrack? I'm sure you're aware of Belbucus' ongoing restoration of the mono mix, but I don't know if you want to wait for that.

I wasn't really aware, no. Yes, I'm still intending to combine the 93 and mono mix.

>>Would you ever consider using the '97 mix as your base soundtrack?

No.

>> Lately I've heard several people around here say that the '97 mix was a "recreation" of sorts of the original mono mix, using many of the same elements.

That is much more true of Empire and Jedi, for which the 97 mixes restored the essence of the earlier 70mm mixes for some reason. The 70mm mixes and 35mm mixes of Empire and Jedi both have their good and bad points, and so I mixed the two together, 1993 and 1997 mixes.

I don't think the 97 mix sounds like the mono mix in any way. I consider the mono mix pretty definitive in terms of content, if not in terms of quality! So putting back little bits of it into the similar 35mm stereo mix was worth doing I think.

The 97 mix was too busy for my tastes. Although I can see why someone would use it as their base mix, it's clearer and has a good dynamic range.

The 2004 mix is a travesty.






Today at my messageboard/blog, FFrevolution.com, read a depressing post about me winding up in handcuffs, to be arrested on made-up charges of assaulting a police officer ...

Or better yet, don't.
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#253541
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253541/action/topic#253541
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>> I could maybe help you out there. With DVD Shrink, you can just take chunks of the video, and I can just take a few seconds around where the VOB breaks are and send the MPEG files your way. Would that help?


Yes, that would help a lot. And be much appreciated.

I was also figuring the chapter breaks wouldn't be at the same points as the VOB breaks, so I could pull the data from there if necessary.


>> Which shot of the Falcon in particular did you mean? I ask because I'm sure there are high-res versions of the matte paintings floating around that you could utilise for such shots.

That had occurred to me.

It's a very wide shot looking sort of down on the Falcon showing the whole hangar in the Death Star - you see a shot of stormtroopers running, and then in this shot they're coming toward the Falcon.
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#253540
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Idea: a possible Red Dwarf fan film...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253540/action/topic#253540
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Also again you're working with non laugh track material, so you wouldn't be using much from Stoke Me a Clipper or whatever (apart from the deleted scenes section) ....

I really didn't like Stoke Me a Clipper - ruined the character of Ace and left us Rimmerless.



(The Beatles appearance on early Doctor Who was library footage - a performance which is now lost and only still exists in the short Doctor Who clip ...)
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#253478
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Idea: a possible Red Dwarf fan film...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253478/action/topic#253478
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Why was the episode called "Tikka to Ride" anyway? What the heck is a "Tikka?"


(looks it up at Wiki)

Tikka or Teeka is an Indian word with multiple meanings.
It is a word from Pushtu meaning a piece of meat etc. In Hindi and Punjabi this is referred to as boti. Tikka in this sense is pronounced with a soft 't'. Tieeka or tikka in the forehead/or needle sense is pronounced with a hard 't'.
In English, the terms are often written the same, which can lead to some confusion.
The red mark worn on the forehead by men or women. The woman's mark is more often called a bindi, and the red mark when worn by men or when applied with red vermilion paste, is more often called a tikka. It is applied typically with the thumb, in an upward stroke.
When Rajput men married, they are said to have cut their thumb on their sword and applied a tikka of their own blood to their brides. This custom evoked the Rajput values of courage and indifference to pain.
Several Bollywood movies have used the "tikka of blood" theme, notably Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak and Gadar.
The tear drop shape of the teeka / tikka is likened to the tear drop shape of some meats, when cooked in a cutlet form. Chicken tikka refers to this shape. Tikka can be of any shape, cooked, roasted or fried it has nothing to do with tear drops.
A marinade made of a mixture of aromatic spices and dahi (the Indian word for plain yoghurt). The red marinade is likened to tikka, not because of the shape as above, but because of the red color. It probably originated in the northern Indian state of Rajasthan and is most commonly used to marinate small pieces of chicken, fish or paneer, which are then grilled in a tandoor. This marinade is traditionally not used for pork, mutton, lamb or beef.
Tikka Khan was Chief of Pakistan Army.


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Oh. It's an oblique reference to Lister's quest for Indian food, which in the original ending left him stranded in space. And I guess Kennedy's "ride" in Dallas.



...



What a confusing, awful title.
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#253472
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253472/action/topic#253472
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Editing notes - starting with part 4, the fourth VOB out of 7.

Have had to rip the movie 3 times due to some frame rate issues.

The color correction I'm doing is actually similar to color correction I did on the original Star Wars Classic Edition, except done smarter and in PhotoJPEG format this time. It really brings out the darker areas of the image - sadly the 2004 transfer really crushed the blacks and you can't get them back, but it does look much better this way.

What I like is that this time I'm correcting the 2004 DVD to match the laserdisc, rather than the other way round, or finding some midpoint inbetween.


There's a shot of the Falcon in the Death star, a wide matte painting, which was changed for the Special Edition. I would love to restore the original matte painting but due to the low quality of the GOUT laserdisc transfer, it would stand out (the shot needs to look really clear), so I've never touched it before. This time round I found a hybrid - I've left in the redone Falcon, but the walls of the Death Star are now the darker, less detailed versions from the 1977 version.

This gives the feel of the original shot but in high quality, and that's what we're doing here, giving the feel of the original.

Some missing frames at each VOB breakpoint. This has always been a problem with these edits. Hmm. What to do ....



MORE:



Again in the spirit of de-"Specializing" this cut more than the previous one, I'm going through the painstaking task of changing the hallways in the Death Star ("This is some rescue!") back to their original versions. Although this sequence exists in the very clear 1997 TB and Gkar editions, I'm just using the GOUT again, because I don't want to deal with the PAL frame rate conversion and the hallways are out of focus anyway.

It's difficult to match this material and make it seem seamless - a lot of frame by frame color correction and cropping is being done - and again I'm running into frame rate issues. MPEG Streamclip has done a slightly odd job of ripping the 24 frame video from the 2004 and 2006 DVDs. I'm noticing the occasional dropped or repeated frame. This is so subtle that you wouldn't notice it watching the DVD, but it does require me to carefully reedit when I'm matching the 2006 to the 2004 DvD. Hm.

I don't know why this is.


I'm going for a more seamless look this time round, trying to hide any places I've done work, make it all invisible. Proud of how I did this in the censored "imperial officers getting shot" scenes.

Yes ....
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#253454
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Info: Auto-correction from SE colours to GOUT colours (lots of information)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253454/action/topic#253454
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Wonderful work, some of the most exciting stuff I've seen on these boards - from all of you.

Desree, can't wait. I think you're having trouble on that Empire Falcon shot because the pan & scan discs really don't have very good color - they're a nasty transfer. Clearly it's working for a lot of things, but you should try more recently-released pan & scan VHSes if you need a good pan & scan transfer. The old special edition pan & scan VHSes might actually work for your needs here. They didn't have weird color.