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- #196638
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Gamewiz has let me borrow his copies of the books The Animated Raggedy Ann & Andy by John Canemaker, which is a major illustrated coffee table book all about the Raggedy Ann film (which is a shock, since the film is seen as a failure today), the Exploits of the Incomparable Mullah Nasrudin which is the first two Nasrudin book and even has a story about what became Princess MeeMee and Prince Bubba in it ... Goblet and The Thief are in there too as usual .... plus two issues of FPS and one of Animato, which talk about the film. One interviews Fred Calvert, one has a lovely sad article by Tony White, one has a positive review of the Princess version of the film ...
I'll be scanning all of these .... as much as I can ... this is gonna take forever ... The Raggedy Ann book has artwork and discussion of The Thief in it, and lots of information about Richard and his work, as well as obviously great images of all the Raggedy Ann characters and those who animated them. A lot of caricatures of the animators as their characters, which seems to be de rigeur for these films.
I want copies of these books.
There is so much printed material, so many quotes that appear in printed sources ... I've realized that along with a documentary it would be a good idea to do a book, if I have time ... I could go into a lot more detail about the making of this film given a few hundred pages to play with.
I've self-published books before (like my Tao of Cow) so it's no hassle really.
If anyone wants to help with either the documentary or the book, let me know. What I could REALLY use ... it would be difficult, but if someone could transcribe some of these interviews I've done as I post them ... DAMN, would that be helpful.
Anyone know any good text-reading OCR programs for Mac?
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- #196608
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- Idea: Twin Peaks - season 2 preservation?
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Looking forward to a proper NTSC set.
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- #196506
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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But I am quite awake ...
As usual.
Did a test on coloring a short pencil test shot of Phido. Didn't look good. Left it in its pencil state instead. Learned my lesson!
Put the first pencil shot of Tack on a background, using Photoshop. Did two versions of the shot. Looks unusual but nice. Might help lessen the blow of cutting to a pencil test that early.
Chris Boniface continues to work on his restorations. His first version of Arabian Knight looked rather "blobby" - he'd overdone the Maximum/Minimum sort of filters to reduce the grain, and the image started to warp. He's toned that down now and I'm hopeful. I'm having him look at darkening the image a bit overall, to lessen the blow of the blown out highlights that appear in some shots.
The real test will be what kind of quality he can squeeze out of the workprint! THAT I'm excited about.
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- #196460
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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I mentioned a Clapperboard special about the production of The Thief (then called The Golden City, I think), that Roy Naisbitt has a horrible copy of and is planning to send me.
It's from 1969, as far as I know. A very early look. Still had Nasrudin in at that point I believe. Cool, eh?
EDIT: I've emailed Chief Roofless himself, Windsor Davies. We'll see if he responds. Also, I've gotten an email from animator Steve Evangelatos.
The beat goes on!
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- #196426
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Maybe I should do a poster inspired by that one, only with Tack on it etc. The poster is pasted-together and is clearly a quick mockup, but the typeface design is great. =)
Please send me those Vaughan Williams recordings, that'd be great! To approach a Folkless version ... Alex thought that the Thief's theme was just a ripoff of The Pink Panther anyway. (And Am I Feeling Love is The Long and Winding Road if you didn't notice - any orchestral reprise sounds exactly the same.)
Feedmyleg - Yeah, I guess I do have to cut the fight, or do something clever with it. We'll see. I was editing the rough cut just for me ... I have to work hard if this has any chance of being seen by the Williams.
Baronbrain - Sorry you're sick again. Blah. Glad my DVDs are keeping you company tho'. =)
I was having trouble with the 16x9 at Alex Williams' house too. For some reason both the PAL workprint and the Recobbled Cut were panning and scanning rather than letterboxing (which looked fine on the Recobbled cut but awful on the workprint). Was that the trouble on your end?
Oh well, none of these are the final DVD anyway.
I like my DVDs to be ABLE to pan & scan though ... it's nice to be able to go in a little closer sometimes. On The Thief, the pan & scan is a 16x9 ratio, or close, so that's not bad.
Thanks for the offer of the Froot Loops DVD! I'd kind of like to look at it actually. Maybe it doesn't have the saturation problems of the Miramax disc either.
Aaron Davis has already sent me the entire 5.1 track (slapped in at your webspace Patrick, if you want it too) ... so I'm gonna check that out and see how it is.
Okay, I'm checking it out. Listening to the center channel only. I don't hear a huge difference from the stereo track - there's still music there, and with all the crap Miramax did to it, I'll REALLY have to hunt through to get anything worth using in this mix. But I will. Cos I care.
Miramax added extra "music" which was done on some kind of cheap Casio keyboard, apparently by a 5 year old, and idiotic cartoony sound FX ... arrrgh. I'll keep checking for anything useable.
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- #196207
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- .-The Matrix Hacked-..:Completed:.
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But to fix it, don't show him eating that last olive. Cut on whatever frame first shows the olive, and run his audio over the two following closeups of the other bad actors in the scene.
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- #196205
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196205/action/topic#196205
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http://www.ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/alexwilliamsinterview.mp3
A few seconds of quick extra banter, caught on camera as I was flipping through the Anwar storyboards.
http://www.ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/alexwilliamsextra.mp3
I'll capture the phone conversation with Roy Naisbitt, hopefully tomorrow - it's excellent stuff - Roy knows and remembers everything about this film. I figured I'd post Alex's interview first because it's got better sound quality.
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- #196199
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196199/action/topic#196199
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=D
Apologies Patrick - I'm gonna use your webspace for a second here. Mine is still down til the end of the month.
Alex Williams, videotaped badly in bad light, for an hour. Oh, my cheapass video camera.
A familiar face - a cel hanging on his wall.
Also hanging - a poster for a version that never was.
(There's a huge version of this image which I patched together in Photoshop from a lot of horrible screen grabs taken with my camera.)
Anwar the Grand Vizier - the Nasrudin film's early version of Zigzag. Might look familiar if you saw my Nasrudin scans - this guy lets Nasrudin see the king only on the condition that he get half of whatever reward Nasrudin gets ... so Nasrudin asks to be whipped as his reward.
I took screen grabs of all 60something storyboards in this sequence.
More here:
http://www.ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler
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- #196186
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196186/action/topic#196186
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More infobits off the top of my head -
Roy Naisbitt: The Nasrudin film took place in Persia (in The Golden City), which was about to be invaded by the Indian army. Nasrudin, being the wise fool, was called in to advise.
Alex Williams: Richard has saved many chunks of the Thief film in 35mm - in his own collection.
I've captured the audio of the Alex Williams interview and video of the artwork in his house and I'll post it tomorrow probably.
I think I will save this thread as HTML when it's all done. There's two threads at Somethingawful too.
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- #196132
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196132/action/topic#196132
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Having just the right music in this cut is important. Alex Williams saw parts of my cut and although he loved what he saw, he wasn't that impressed by the Robert Folk score either, so I'm gonna be wantin jusssst the right classic music to use. More Ralph Vaughan Williams other than the opening would actually be quite nice.
Yeah, I spent the evening with Alex Williams. It was great - he's a very nice guy.
He was leaving for the UK ... leaving on thursday to work on a live action talking Underdog. He was packing up as we talked ... but stopped to watch The Thief.
I interviewed him on camera for an hour. We talked a lot, and he was excited to see all this stuff again. He was quite impressed by my cut, and what I was doing. He was interested in watching Raggedy Ann and Andy too, so we watched that - it had scared him as a kid too.
I learned a lot of random information - he kept pointing out who animated each scene as we watched the cut and I wish I'd been recording that, as it was a good commentary. The Thief was only his second ever animated job - he worked on a lot of stuff previously done by Art Babbit and others, and animated most of Tack of course and most of the opening of the film - Tack sleeping, The Thief and Tack being intertwined, the townspeople and henchmen singing, Tack getting caught ...
There's a townsperson who I thought looked like Saddam Hussein. Turns out, it is Saddam Hussein. It was a joke Alex put in.
I got to see some rare art from the film - he has a poster for The Thief Who Never Gave Up on his wall, and a great cel of the witch in her basket. On his walls were beautiful paintings by Errol LeCain and his own grandmother (I think, Dick's mother, I think) - also a brilliant artist. Clearly it runs in the family. Dick had tried to get her to work on the Thief, but she was doing her own thing.
He showed me the storyboards for Zigzag's entrance into town ... except that it's an early version of the scene. It's "Anwar the Grand Vizier" at this point, with lots of extra dialogue. His character design is different - he looks just like a character in the Nasrudin book I have who was a jerk grand vizier type who Nasrudin played a nasty trick on. It's clear that Zigzag was created by combining the character of Anwar with the character design of Nasrudin.
He pointed out who did shots, and noted who did a lot of the work on King Nod - and damned but I can't remember his name now. He said Richard did the pullback shot of King Nod shouting "The balls are gone!" ...
He signed my VHS of The Thief and my DVD of The Princess ... signing next to Tack.
It was raining, and I didn't have a ride, so he actually took me home. Yep. And then we got lost ... it was very embarrassing. I lost all track of where we were and felt like an idiot. It took ages to get home, and boy was my face red.
Such a nice guy. I couldn't stop thinking - here I am, trapped and lost in a car with a guy who did Tack in the Thief and Scar in The Lion King. Making a fool of myself cos I don't know where we are.
....
I had my video camera with me and got some footage of the rare artwork as well. It's quite bad quality but I'll try to work with it and Photoshop the hell out of it so you can see Anwar and the poster for The Thief Who Never Gave Up, which Gary Kurtz was going to produce.
And yes ... Alex was really wary about showing the cut to his dad, and said that he would probably take it the wrong way, think that someone was stealing his film again. But he liked what he was seeing so much that he is definitely considering it .... he might send the final cut to Richard, with a note explaining what it is.
EXTRA: In the original, Anwar slips on a banana peel thrown by a townsperson. Not stepping on a Tack.
Alex didn't mind some Calvert shots, but was annoyed by one of Tack tapping on the wall to the witch's cave. Of course - he did so much of Tack.
Alex didn't do the staircase scene and doesn't recall who did.
He remembers Jerry Verschoor well, laughing - Jerry was his assistant and was "completely mad," a really "weird person" who "couldn't do anything right." He "wanted to strangle him" most days. Heh.
Roy Naisbitt - "Nicest man on the planet."
Andreas Wessel-Therhorn - did nice work on the henchmen.
The copy I gave him of the Recobbled cut ... well I gave him four copies ... but the main one I gave him had my cover artwork on it. He liked it, saying it was "mostly on model."
=D
He looked at the back, at Zigzag and the witch as retraced by me ... "That's one of dad's drawings (zigzag) ... So's that actually (witch)."
I knew that about Zigzag, but not the witch. So, the more you know.
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- #196013
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196013/action/topic#196013
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Yeah, I'm not actually using the 5.1 mix itself, it's a horrible horrible sound mix. My goal would be to separate out the center channel and see if I can get a soundtrack without some of Miramax's music and other crap mixed in.
The sound for this edit is going to be pretty basic stereo.
Silverwook - I do have the Arabian Knight soundtrack, I bought it years ago. It came in very handy in this edit, although in my final edit I'm going to try and use less of it. You can get it on Amazon.com for 25 cents ... as I mentioned a few pages back.
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- #195884
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195884/action/topic#195884
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It's 5.1, guys.
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- #195845
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195845/action/topic#195845
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When it came time to hang up with Roy Naisbitt, I recall developing a stutter I didn't know I had before.
This has become an obsession as usual.
Aaron Davis has looked at his copy of the Froot Loops disc, and although he's not super tech-savvy PowerDVD reads it as having 6 sound channels, 2 audio streams.
Sounds like a 5.1 mix to me.
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- #195825
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195825/action/topic#195825
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I called Roy Disney's OLD number, from before he was out of Disney .... I got an answering machine, which is a good sign. I'll call back tomorrow and see who's at that number now, and if they know where Roy is.
I called Howard Green, a Disney publicist who worked on trying to get a proper DVD release of The Thief back in the late 90s. I was shocked to hear an answering machine message starring Roger Rabbit - Charles Fleischer! I left a message and will try again.
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- #195820
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195820/action/topic#195820
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He said he couldn't talk about it. He was in a bad place right now, his wife just died.
He said, maybe some other time.
=(
The audio on the Alex Williams phone conversation is bad - I had made the mistake of leaving the camera plugged in, which caused electrical interference. You can understand every word that's being said, but it's covered by a LOUD annoying buzzing sound - meaning it's good for transcribing, but couldn't be released as audio for people to just enjoy listening to.
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- #195812
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195812/action/topic#195812
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It would tell a long strange story spanning over 50 years ....
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- #195810
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195810/action/topic#195810
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- #195808
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195808/action/topic#195808
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Found out some very interesting things. Alex is a nice guy. He has a British accent, which surprised me since his father didn't - but growing up in London I can see how that would happen.
He confirms that Disney bought everything - the negatives, the artwork, the whole film. Alex himself doesn't have much, but he does have the original drawings for King Nod and Zigzag talking - "Death and destruction, Zigzag!" The well-known shot seen in the documentaries.
As of 2001, the drawings were stored in a bunker in Burbank. He went there personally to check it out.
He confirms that Dick won't talk about the film because it "destroyed his life."
Alex has no love for Fred Calvert, and has never met him. He would have nothing good to say to him.
He was trying to get Disney to release a proper DVD of The Thief as early as 1993. Howard Green, publicity person at Disney and "nice guy" was trying to make it happen over the years, as was Roy Disney. It's never happened, and Alex feels it's never going to happen.
He confirms the rumors that Dick has been working for some years now on a new feature film - working on it basically alone, with a tiny staff. Neither he nor Alex will discuss the exact details of the film for Obvious Personal Reasons. That makes me glad though.
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- #195769
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195769/action/topic#195769
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It would be fascinating to interview him for the documentary too.
I've found a white pages listing in Irvine that matches an address that was supposed to be "the" Fred Calvert's.
The listing is for one Fred Calvert - the only one in California.
Close now ...
STANCH WRITES:
Thanks for the great update. Here's what I know from
various sources:
Calvert has no idea what happend to the art. It was
packed and sent to them, and on completion went into
the hands of the completion bond trustees (not sure if
that's before or after the bankruptcy). Chances are
it's in exsistance somewhere.. Calvert told Mike Dobbs
he had no idea what happend to it all). Maybe Miramax
has it?
MY REPLY:
That's really sad though, because Naisbitt says Dick doesn't have it and says to ask Calvert, and Calvert thinks the same.
And The Completion Bond company went under, so Miramax is the best bet. But their edit didn't suggest that they bought anything other than the Princess cut. There's only a couple of shots in there which aren't in Princess.
It had to go SOMEWHERE. The remains ... somewhere ... Miramax maybe ....
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- #195759
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195759/action/topic#195759
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- #195718
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195718/action/topic#195718
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This material I didn't record so I'm writing it down from memory now, as best I can.
The Nasrudin film shut down because there were crooked dealings going on behind the scenes. An article at Eddie Bowers' site blames Idries Shah's sister for the breakdown - she taking credit for some of the stories that she helped translate, and claiming she owned them outright and would sue. But Naisbitt blames Omar Shah, Idries' brother. A pleasant but shady character on the business end, who was taking advantage of things.
Anyway, it broke down.
Naisbitt doesn't know much about the voice recordings, when those took place. The Bowers article says 1967-1968, Naisbitt thinks it must have been much later, like in the 80s, since the story didn't take obvious shape until then, except in Dick's head. Probably a combination of both. In I Drew Roger Rabbit Sir Anthony Quayle discusses coming in over and over again over the years.
Originally there were two princesses, sisters, Meemee and Yumyum. Nasrudin saw a horrible ogre and jumped over the wall to save - well, probably princess Meemee seemed to be in peril. But Meemee says, "No, I love that horrible creature!"
Later, everyone goes to the old witch to try and change the ogre back into Prince Bubba.
Witch lines from the Thief Who Never Gave Up documentary:
"My child, it is obvious to me that he is under the influence of the double whammy."
"Mystic fumes, show me the way! Show me how this curse to break!"
That IS Princess Meemee you see in the bath with Yumyum. From behind, they changed it to look like a mirror was there instead. Roy mentioned the bath scene before I said anything. =) He said a lot of things right as I was about to ask about them ...
How much art still survives?
Roy said - You'll have to ask Fred Calvert. Which was not the answer I wanted to hear. =( It seems that Calvert got it all. And his Korean animators threw out everything they did.
So ...
Not good news.
Roy is thanked by Richard in The Animator's Survival Kit for having saved a lot of things that Richard would have thrown out. This doesn't apply much to The Thief though - not much was left. Roy notes that Richard's instinct was to throw everything out. There was a huge amount of material from all the commercials, and the huge bunker for The Thief that you see in I Drew Roger Rabbit - so much material. Richard wanted to throw it all away, and Roy wanted to save it.
Roy wound up taking everything he could, having his wife go through it (He says she became quite the expert on animation in the process, though of course she isn't) .... they threw out the less interesting stuff and saved the best.
Eventually, Richard took it all back - and was really grateful that Roy had saved it. Roy doesn't have much of any of it now. "That's all right," he says.
On Aladdin - Roy notes that Eric Goldberg did very little on The Thief, mostly working on commercials. Eric was quite brilliant. He remembers being at a talk where one of the main animators on Aladdin - I can't remember now who but I think I recorded this part anyway - was talking about why they designed Jafar the way they did, a curly beard blah blah blah to signify he's evil and of course he was just talking about the exact design elements of Zigzag. And Roy just throws up his hands.
Roy has another reason for the film shutting down. Warners wanted a different film than Richard was making. They wanted songs. They said they loved what Richard was doing, but in the wake of Little Mermaid et al. they weren't really liking it as much as they said they were .... didn't feel it was marketable enough. Of course it wasn't progressing. Richard was asked to add songs - hence the song about the moons and stars that appears in the script, but not in the known film.
Roy had worked on 2001, and was impressed that Richard did the same thing Stanley Kubrick did, using existing and classical music to fit his scenes. They'd had a lot of composers in, including George Martin, and it was felt that if one composer did the music it might all sound the same ... Roy feels that a lot of film scores, it reassures you, you feel with the music that nothing bad can happen to the characters. It takes the edge off. Richard just used music to suit his scenes rather than another way round. He remembers Robert Folk coming in on the Calvert version, and his work was okay, but not the same.
Roy liked Calvert, thought he was a nice guy, and was amazed at the horrible things he was doing to the film. Richard was long gone at that time, and Roy was still there, trying to fight for the film - He was always talking to Calvert, quite desperately - but it was often in the pub, and after a few drinks he wouldn't fight so hard. It was a lost cause - he notes that Calvert was really working under a committee, who were making a lot of the decisions. He was annoyed that so much great animation was chucked out - he remembers when they cut The Thief stealing Yumyum's shoes, saying it didn't advance the story. He asked, have you see the version where the credits run over animation of The Thief? That's guilt, that's a guilt inclusion. Calvert felt bad for cutting so much out.
Roy says that the film was a little long and that Richard, if he'd finished it, would have trimmed a few things, tightened it. Perhaps. The Thief pole vaulting, the war machine scene, those go on a bit. That's because over the years when they were working on commercials Richard would always have people doing little vignettes with The Thief, and they'd tend to be similar and a little bit repetitive, but nice anyway, and they'd wind up in the film.
I'll post the rest of the conversation shortly.
Andreas Wessel-therhorn writes:
roy was a great guy. i had a desk closest to his and he was the man with the most patience I have ever seen. He had to take a lot of crap from dick and he handled himself always as a gnetleman.. and boy can he put away those pints..
Oh, and Eddie Bowers' site is now linked at:
http://thiefandthecobbler.com
Isn't that nice? Same as it was, and the latest news bulletin mentions my restoration. My latest t-shirt designs etc are also there.
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- #195704
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- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195704/action/topic#195704
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He's planning to send me some video - a bad quality VHS tape of a rare Clapperboard special all about Dick, and some Williams studio commercials.
I recorded over an hour of the conversation with Roy - not all of it, there was a lot of great stuff early on which made me realize that I should be recording it.
Talking to Andreas Wessel-therhorn. Seems like I could get him in for an interview.
I think I'll do a documentary about The Thief. I mean, why not?
The following will make more sense to those who've read the script.
Andreas Wessel-therhorn writes:
as far the the shah goes who wanted to finance the movie, I dont think it was a matter of profit sharing. the way Dick told it was, that he wanted too much of his ideology seen reflected in the movie and dick didnt want to go there. I have a folder of artwork, mostly model sheets, copies of layouts, a bit of animation, sketches.. havent opened it in years. you made me curious to take it out again and see what i have. i remember when dick screened some emery Hawkins footage of the mad witch for us which was absolutely hysterical. I worked a lot on Zig zags henchmen, which unfortunately were not much more than moving background with the promise that they would have a huge payoff in the end, as Goblet would try to take over from Zig Zag. There was a some funny voice over work by Kenneth Williams that was never used.I remember the day that John Patrich Shanley came in for a rewrite.. that never panned out. Or when George Martin came in for the music. i still always prefer the scratch version of the opening with the Vaughn Williams piece. Very dramatic.
There was a scene that.. hmm not sure if its still in the movie. Two rendered roses circling... i think it was the Princess arranging flowers. It took ages to animate, with all the perfectionism that all thorns and petals needed to follow thru precisely... then it went into rendering. weeks of painstaking work. then they decided to have a song there, with lyrics about moons and stars.. and so Dick had the whole scene re rendered with stars added on the petals. i'm amazed our render artist, an irish lady called dee, didnt commit harakiri. ah.. good times. The discipline and precision that I learned on the movie though, has helped me thru my entire career.
Would be fun to chat about the thief. i just have to censor myself a bit. alex is a good friend and i dont want to say anything that he may find insulting to his dad...though that certainly would not be my intention. but, as his son, he understandably has a different take. and the thing with recollections is, that they vary wildly from person to person. i always thought that the story of the thief, in all its aspects, would make a fascinating documentary
There was a scene that.. hmm not sure if its still in the movie. Two rendered roses circling... i think it was the Princess arranging flowers. It took ages to animate, with all the perfectionism that all thorns and petals needed to follow thru precisely... then it went into rendering. weeks of painstaking work. then they decided to have a song there, with lyrics about moons and stars.. and so Dick had the whole scene re rendered with stars added on the petals. i'm amazed our render artist, an irish lady called dee, didnt commit harakiri. ah.. good times. The discipline and precision that I learned on the movie though, has helped me thru my entire career.
Would be fun to chat about the thief. i just have to censor myself a bit. alex is a good friend and i dont want to say anything that he may find insulting to his dad...though that certainly would not be my intention. but, as his son, he understandably has a different take. and the thing with recollections is, that they vary wildly from person to person. i always thought that the story of the thief, in all its aspects, would make a fascinating documentary
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- #195691
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- Little Shop of Horrors original ending (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195691/action/topic#195691
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The machinations of the universe have a pattern beyond our reasoning. =)
- Post
- #195688
- Topic
- The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
- Link
- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/195688/action/topic#195688
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I've heard from another source that the Froot Loops DVD had a 2.0 sound mix. =(
OKAY AUSTRALIAN PEEPS --
I half-jokingly told Jerry Verschoor that our Australian posters should break into his house and steal his Thief art. Jerry half-jokingly replied as follows:
"hahahahahahahahahahahaha, my stuff is in the country side of western australia, far from the city of Perth. if your friends are in Sydney, ... they can go right ahead."
So, basically, someone should put on their Thief outfit and steal the golden drawings from the Verschoor palace ....
It's probably hours and hours from anywhere anyone is, but let me know if it isn't.
Two seconds on google turned up the actual address and phone number. I love the internet for stalking.
214 Mitchell rd
Alexandria, NSW 2015
Australia
Phone: +(02) 9517 2777