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#197505
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Also spotted these early films ...

A Lecture on Man 62, Circus Drawing(s), Ivor Pittfalks


Were these finished? I think I've read something about "Circus Drawing" being a working title for a test animation that was unfinished. "A Lecture on Man" was probably finished.

Okay, it says Ivor Pittfalks was not completed, and "Circus Drawings" was ...

Also mentioning other titles ....

The Story of the Motorcar Engine
A Lecture on Man
Circus Drawings
Pubs and Beaches
The Liquidator (Cardiff) (animated sequences)
I Vor Pittfalks (not completed)
The Sailor and the Devil
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

Animator. Nationality: Canadian. Born: Montreal, 19 March 1933; emigrated to the United Kingdom, 1955. Career: Worked for Disney and United Productions of America (UPA) in early 1950s; 1955—moved to England: first animated film, The Little Island, 1958; his own studio produced animated films, commercials, and special effects and titles for live-action films; 1992—forced to close studio. Awards: Academy Award, for A Christmas Carol, 1971; Special Achievement Award and Visual Effects Academy Award, and two British Academy Awards, for Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, 1988.


Richard Williams
Films as Animator:
1958
The Little Island; The Story of the Motorcar Engine

1961
A Lecture on Man

1962
Love Me, Love Me, Love Me

1964
Circus Drawings

1965
Diary of a Madman (not completed); The Dermis Probe; What's New Pussycat? (Donner) (animated sequences)

1966
Pubs and Beaches; The Liquidator (Cardiff) (animated sequences); The Spy with a Cold Nose (Petrie) (animated sequences); A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum (Lester) (animated sequences)

1967
Casino Royale (Huston and others) (animated sequences); I Vor Pittfalks (not completed); The Sailor and the Devil

1968
Prudence and the Pill (Cook) (animated sequences); The Charge of the Light Brigade (Richardson) (animated sequences)

1969
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

1971
A Christmas Carol

1977
Raggedy Ann and Andy

1982
Ziggy's Gift

1988
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (Zemeckis) (+ ro as voice of Droopy)

1995
Arabian Knight (The Thief and the Cobbler) (+ sc)

Publications

By WILLIAMS: articles—
"Animation and The Little Island," in Sight and Sound (London), Autumn 1958.

Contrast, Spring 1963.

Cinéma (Paris), January 1970.

Screen International (London), 18 June 1977.

Funnyworld, Fall 1978.

Funnyworld, Summer 1979.

Films and Filming (London), April 1982.

Screen International (London), 11–18 December 1982.

Television Weekly, 25 May 1984.

Starburst (London), September 1985.

Films and Filming (London), August 1988.

The Listener (London), 20 October 1988.


On WILLIAMS: articles—
Sight and Sound (London), Spring 1963.

Films and Filming (London), October 1963.

Roudévitch, Michel, in Cinéma (Paris), no. 98, 1965.

Cinema TV Today (London), 9 December 1972.

Filmmakers Newsletter (Ward Hill, Massachusetts), May 1973.

Monthly Film Bulletin (London), October 1973, additions in February 1974.

Movie Maker (London), December 1975.

Stills (London), May/June 1983.

National Film Theatre Booklet (London), April 1985.

Film Comment (New York), July/August 1988.

Times (London), 1 September 1989.

Films in Review (New York), November-December 1995.

Duncan, Celia, in Screen International (London), 22 March 1996.

Animato! (Springfield), no. 35, Summer 1996.
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#197492
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Have written Tahir Shah, who is Idries Shah's son. Idries Shah died in 1996. Omar Ali-Shah died in 2005. I'm not sure about Amina Shah. It would be nice to get the Shah family's perspective on all this ... and possibly even track down some rare film if anyone has it.

Also wrote Tristram Cary, who did music for The Little Island, The Dermis Probe, and A Christmas Carol.

And I wrote someone in Australia who might have a copy of The Dermis Probe.

And I wrote someone at a Kenneth Williams fansite, asking if they know where to get Love Me Love Me Love ME or the soundtrack to Diary of a Madman, an unfinished animated movie which was released more recently as a radio play instead.

The point of all this? To track down the early short films and things we don't have!


THINGS WE DON'T HAVE --


The Little Island
Love Me, Love Me, Love ME
The Dermis Probe

One Pair of Eyes: Dreamwalkers - 1970ish BBC documentary narrated by Idries Shah. Williams is interviewed, and POSSIBLY a clip from the Nasrudin film is shown, involving bread.

Clapperboard? 1969? documentary about the making of the Nasrudin film, The Golden City. Roy Naisbitt has this apparently, and will send.

Appearance on The BBC's Do It Yourself Film Animation Show, as mentioned earlier - with guest host Bob Godfrey ... any other TV appearances not mentioned.

I wonder if any of his Oscar wins still exist, too!

Documentaries with Richard I've never seen:

Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toon Town (1988)
Who Made Roger Rabbit (2002)
The Curious Case of Inspector Clouseau (2002)

Hmm. The 2002 ones are probably on DVD? The 1988 one will be trickier.


Title sequences I've never seen ... I'm sure I can Netflix some of these, if I really want to get into that.

Murder on the Orient Express (1974)
Every Home Should Have One (1970)
Prudence and the Pill (1968)
The Spy with a Cold Nose (1966)
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum (1966)









----

Love Me, Love Me, Love Me

A short - eight minutes - neurotic cartoon about a character named Squidgy Bod, who does everything wrong and is loved by everybody. It's also about Thermus Fortitude, who does everything right and is loved by nobody, except his stuffed alligator called Charlie.

Thermus takes a correspondence course in being lovable, and succeeds in becoming loved by everybody except his stuffed alligator, who is now indifferent.

He therefore throws Charlie out of the window, where he is trampled on by the passing Squidgy Bod. The moral? "When it comes to love, no one really has it good, especially stuffed alligators named Charlie".

Behind-The-Scenes

This engaging cartoon (distributed by British Lion) is a Thuberesque fairy-tale which benefits greatly from having its narrative delivered by Kenneth Williams in his richest plummy-idiot voice. The animation is kept to a minimum, the characterisation is excellent and witty, the linking words and sub-headings of the narrative are elaborately drawn in and decorated, all giving the effect of a far-out Victorian picture-book.

Kenneth recorded the narration for this cartoon on 18th January 1962. Kenneth was a talent who Richard Williams used on several occasions. In 1963 he recorded the narrative for Richard Williams's planned animation Diary Of A Madman, the reading of which was later broadcast on radio years after the film had been abandoned. He also provided voices for Richard Williams's animated film Arabian Knight.


Narrator Kenneth Williams


Writer Stan Hayward Director Richard Williams
Music Peter Shade Editor John Bloom

Produced by Richard Williams

A 1962 Richard Williams Animation Ltd film.


Eastmancolor - 8 mins.



The Diary of a Madman

Kenneth Williams This is rather a curiosity amongst Kenneths Work as it was originally started in 1963 as a soundtrack to a short animated film of Nicolai Gogol’s classic tale by Richard Williams. The fate of this film was similar to another of Richard Williams films that Kenneth was involved with voice over work on, The Thief and the Cobbler. Having, unfortunately, never been completed, the narrations performed by Kenneth survived, and it was this that was remixed by the BBC and broadcast.
The discussions about the film took place at Kenneth's flat on 11.30am on the 14th May 1963, with the recording actually taking place on the 23rd. The recording session started at 10.30am and continued throughout the whole day, finishing at 5pm.
It was nearly thirty years later, a few years after Kenneth's death, that the BBC re-edited the soundtrack with the first broadcast on R4, at 8.00pm on the 3rd February 1991. I beleive their was a repeat soon after this, but I haven't been able to confirm this yet.
Dramatisation by James Burke
Music by Peter Shade
Directed by Richard Williams
Produced by Ned Chaillet
Re-mixed for radio by John Whitehall
The last broadcast I know of was on ABC Classic FM on Wednesday 31-3-99 at 8pm (Australia). The recording does exist in the BBC archive.
Radio: Robert Hanks
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#197425
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Patrick - Yeah, more and more I'm realizing that the movie never changed much ... kind of startling, but it was all there from the start (apart from Tack). It looks like what happened is, he took the Nasrudin film, changed some of the character designs a bit, and had everyone keep animating the scenes/shots which didn't have Nasrudin in them. Tack became a cipher-protagonist to replace the missing protagonist, and he eventually figured out how to take the entire film without Nasrudin and have that still tell its own story. Using the same shots that had been boarded for Nasrudin. It's the same movie. Strange ...


John - The early films like The Little Island, Love Me Love Me Love ME, The Dermis Probe etc. are not on video sadly. I would really like to track them down. I'll send you these documentaries so you can see the clips from them.



Baz writes (yeah, I won't list his full name in case he doesn't want it listed):

I am a fan of the film also..it was one of the reasons I got into the
business......when I was 10 years old I used to rush downstairs with
great
excitement to watch a show on the BBC called The Do-It-Yourself Film
Animation
Show and was presented by Bob Godfrey (Rubarb and Custard)For a couple
weeks he
had on Richard Williams and they showed clips from A Chrismas Carol and
The
Thief and the Cobbler. There was one scene of a Vagabond starting to
laugh and
bursts out into full laughter..I was just in total awe ..it felt so
alive!..and
it was one of the things that stuck in my head and though "I want to do
that one
day".

Years later I found myself sitting at Richard Williams desk doing an
"inbetween
test" "Who Framed Roger Rabbit". I was so nervous..it was a very hot
summers
day and I had carried a huge portfolio up several flighst of
stairs...and the
sky light above wasn't shaded so it was really hard to see the drawings
and do
the inbetween as the light from the skylight was fighting with the
light from
the lightbox! I was also dripping sweat down on the drawing and it must
have
been quite soggy afterwards!Soggy or not it was enough to get me on a
training
programme for a few weeks and afterwards I got the job and I was on my
way to
becoming an animator!

A number of years later I was working as a Supervising Animator at Don
Bluth
Studios. It had just gone into liquidation and one of the Producers had
gotten
a sequence off Fred Calvert and the completion bonding company as The
Thief had
been taken off Richard Williams and now another studio or Producer was
completing or should I say destroying this film! Well I needed the
money and
took on a few scenes for freelance but felt sick at what I saw. They
had added
a voice to a character that hadn't initially been designed to speak and
added
songs and rotoscoping! This was all against the grain of the vision. It
would
be like adding a voice to Gromit in Wallace and Gromit...it's not
supposed to
happen!!! To top it all the animator directing the sequence had never
had any
contact with Richard Williams and had no concept of what he was doing
and fell
back on poor rotoscoping. I was offered some freelance on a commercial
in London
and gladly took it completeing one scene on the Thief taht I had been
given and
handing the rest back as I really didn't want to take part in the
savaging of
this film. I was glad I did and hate to admit to doing one scene on a
sequence
that should never have been added. In truth though most of the other
animators
needed the money, except the supervsising animator that had never met
Richard
Williams and had probably never heard of him and sadly probably never
wants to.
He lined his pockets and the masterpeice was destroyed....until I
believe Roy
Disney came along to help have it released as it was originally
intended.
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#197365
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Arrghh - there's so much I've wanted to post these last few days, amazing bits of information and articles and scans and everything ...

But my webspace is still down so I can't post anything.


...


Patrick, I hate to do this to ya again, but I really HAVE to at least post these. Hope it's all right.

First off - the cover to the VHS of Raggedy Ann & Andy is hideous. So I did this one.

http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/raggedyamaraysm.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/raggedyfrontsm.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/raggedybacksm.jpg

http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/raggedyamaray.jpg

The character scans are from the book by John Canemaker. Most of them were either uncolored (Raggedy Ann & Andy) or were color guides that had massive lines drawn all through them to indicate colors, which had to be carefully removed (Captain, Kookoo, Loonie Knight, Babette, and Queasy). Not an easy job, but quite pleased with the results.


Meanwhile, John Loter has been sending me some startlingly informative articles from waaaay back in the Nasrudin days of the film.

It seems like every character in the film apart from Tack was really created for Nasrudin. The Mad Holy Old Witch was originally The Mad and Holy Old Indian Witch of Benares. (You can still tell she's from India.)

And One Eye? He was originally the Great Mogul of India, on a throne of Indian women. His soldiers rode on giant elephants.

http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/S_S1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/S_S2.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/S_S3.jpg


http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/RW1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/RW2.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/RW3.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/RW4.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/RW5.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/RW6.jpg

Here's some art by Errol LeCain, from a Japanese book. Most of these you'll have seen before at Eddie's site ... including the image of Meemee and Bubba (the enchanted Ogre Prince), and an early look at Tack and the Brigands sleeping as The Thief in his tent steals away.

http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/EL1-1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/EL2-1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/EL3-1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/EL4-1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/EL5-1.jpg
http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/EL6-1.jpg



RANDOM FACT OF THE DAY:

According to Alex Williams, Richard was approached to do the "Carnival of the Animals" segment in Disney's recent Fantasia 2000. Alex says he had some idea for doing it in an innovative way ... which he can't remember. Eisner or some other exec didn't like it after a while, and the piece was done, quite well, by Eric Goldberg (whose two segments were the only highlight of a shockingly toothless film).
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#197288
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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John - I'm so sorry to hear about your grandmother passing away. My thoughts and best wishes are with you.



Spoke on the phone with Sean Murphy (figmentfly) today, about the book and what direction I want to take it in. After his great work on Legend and Buckaroo Banzai, it's nice to have him on board - a good luck charm perhaps to secure an eventual DVD release as those did. =) He's set up a private wiki to plan out the book.



John Loter, a great artist who's done merchandise at Disney, has sent me some rare press clippings, including one from the Nasrudin film with a picture of Richard and Vincent Price (and a vulture) ... Price's character was still called Anwar at this point - a surprise to me. It seems like every question I have about this film gets answered, the more press clippings I find. =)

I've done a huge amount of scanning and OCRing as you know, and scanned all the artwork I found interesting in the Raggedy Ann book. My site is still down so I'm not posting any of it, but it will be sent in the mail to certain people as I build my DVD-ROM library of files. A big library dedicated to The Thief. Heh.



As far as the money situation, yes, it's bad. It's worse than it's ever been, but I'm not one to beg. I've been through tough times before - I'm usually broke! - and I've gotten through.

I thank you for your kind wishes, and it means a lot that people care.


Still, Sean is pushing and bugging me to start accepting donations too. Heh. I have put a lot of money into this project and it would be nice to still be able to send out the hundreds and hundreds of Thief DVDs that I'm sending out for free (sending out 180-ish DVDs this week alone) without worrying about how I'm gonna afford that.

I have spent well over a thousand on this project. I'll admit that. And I'll be spending a lot more.

If someone wants to contribute any amount of money to this entire project, I won't stop you!

Tygerbug @ yahoo.com is the address for paypal.


How's that?




RICHARD WILLIAMS COLLECTION:
+ The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut (final version coming soon!)
+ The Thief and the Cobbler workprint and DVD-ROM extras
+ The Thief Who Never Gave Up Documentary/Charge of the Light Brigade/Return of the Pink Panther
+ Raggedy Ann & Andy/A Christmas Carol
+ Arabian Knight Japanese widescreen DVD
+ The Princess and the Cobbler Australian Pan & Scan DVD (PAL)
+ Richard Williams commercials/Animating Art/I Drew Roger Rabbit
+ Rare Thief and the Cobbler pencil-camera tests/The Pink Panther Strikes Back titles/I Drew Roger Rabbit (better version)/A Christmas Carol/Arabian Knight Trailer
+ Ziggy's Gift/Ziggy Cartoons/Fred Calvert's Princess and the Cobbler: Work In Progress Version
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#197062
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Those of you who have the "Animating Art/UK commercials" DVD in this Richard Williams pack will have seen Oscar Grillo's short "Seaside Woman." He's a great illustrator with an unusual style.

Here's his take on The Thief.


I did work at Richard Williams Studio at different times but I never
worked
directly on The Thief and the Cobbler, which as you know was called
several
different names over time. It started being known as The Adventures of
Nasrudin, based on the traditional Persian stories collected by Omar
Ali
Shah. Richard Williams quarrelled with him and not having the rights
for the
book decided to turn it around and it ended up as a mish-mash and, in
my
opinion, one of the most miserable animated failures of all time. It
will
be near impossible for you to put it together again, since R. Williams'
version varied so much over time that it would look like a Persian
tapestry.
I think the best and most genuine surviving bits are the animation of
the
Thief, as it was done by Ken Harris. Ken was a master animator and one
of
the principal animators of Chuck Jones' "Coyote", so his Thief bore an
enormous resemblance to that character. I could tell you loads of
stories
but I'm afraid I wont be able to write them for lack of time and
perhaps...
interest. I have never been very enthusiastic about this project. From
the
word go I believed it was Williams' "folly".

If you live in LA try to contact Corny Cole, who was a very early
collaborator of Williams. He produced some magnificent early
story-boards. I
have a complete script of one of the versions of the Thief, given to me
by
Richard W. to lure me to work on the project and also some prototypical
versions of promotional booklets from another version, made to attract
finances for the film.I also have two authographed copies of Ali Sha's
"The
Adventures of Nasrudin" illustrated by R.W.

I was not able to see your trailer because there were some
difficulties
with the viewing player. If you wish to send me a copy of the DVD I
would be
very happy to revise my opinions.

I salute your resilience and patience in doing this labour of love.





Haha!

I'm really curious what Oscar would think of the final film. I'll definitely send it to him. Him remembering it as an unfinishable mess, and never having seen what the final product was, ought to be interesting.


I'd love to contact Corny Cole, who did great work here and on Raggedy Ann, but don't know his contact info. He's not in the book.



Anyway.



The book would be published by a third party - wish I could slip copies of the Recobbled Cut in there, but no dice.

If you're ordering the book I presume you know about the Recobbled Cut anyway. =)
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#196976
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Sure ... could break the longer interviews up into shorter clips. =)



Now the bad news .... not for this project, just for me ...

I expected to have money in my bank account to cover the $675 I have to pay in rent in a couple days.

Nope. I have $35 in my checking account.

Crap.

I've been unemployed for a month or two, and when you're mailing out a few dozen copies of a 12-DVD set of The Thief and the Cobbler, for free .... well, things add up.


=(


Gonna get kicked out of my apartment. Lemme think about this, what I'm gonna do.


Anyway .... progress on The Thief moves forward regardless!



I'm scanning about 90 pages of the John Canemaker book on Raggedy Ann & Andy. Somewhat interesting.
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#196961
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Well, here we are then. I guess we're writing a book.

John "Tweaker" Nesler and Chase Mixon are on board and already doing transcribing, which I am hugely thankful for. My chief editor is gonna be Sean "Figmentfly" Murphy, who did great work on the Legend FAQ and helped get that movie out of obscurity and onto DVD in its proper cut. Sounds like typecasting to me.

I went through EVERYTHING I have on my HD currently, and scanned about a hundred pages of new material ... and put it all in one big text file.

It is 207 pages long - just a collection of articles relating to the Thief, a great many of which I scanned and OCRed myself within the last few days. (I'll send the new stuff to Eddie, maybe it'll go on his site.)

Hopefully Sean and the team can help make sense of it all. =)

There will be more ... If John and Chase and anyone else can transcribe the Alex and Roy interviews, and the old making of documentaries like The Thief Who Never Gave Up ...

We'll post all these for reading and on the web, of course, but all this will be VITAL for quotes in building a complete version of the story.

Overwhelming at this point, as it should be ... looking at a lot of raw material which will become a really compelling story ...


The Animator Who Never Gave Up

Richard Williams and the Thief and the Cobbler

The destruction of the greatest unfinished animated film ever made

---


This story is to be told in chronological order - there would be a chapter up front telling the whole sad story briefly, and then we go to Richard Williams being born, and tell the whooole story from there.

Because it's not just the story of a film, it's the story of an entire life. It's the story of a mad, temperamental genius who tried to make the greatest animated movie he could, and failed completely because of the sad realities of the film business.

This is a biography of Richard Williams and a biography of a film that is a living, breathing character in and of itself. An eccentric and strange movie unlike anything else ever made - and in that way reflects the personality of its creator, who was rather unlike any other animator.
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#196709
Topic
THE FAN EDIT CONTEST HAS A WINNER !!! REVIEWS IN OFF TOPIC FORUM
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Hmm ... I dunno if picture and sound should be graded that high. I think that innovation should definitely be a category. That's what I would look for in a fan edit. Whether it achieves its stated goal (usually to improve a movie) should also be taken into consideration.


I've seen and done edits that are clean and as carefully done as possible, but are working from sources which aren't as good (or are indeed horrible). If that material is what you're working with, that's what you've got. Then again, if you're working from DVD quality sources and your cut still looks like crap, I can see a demerit on that. =)


I'm not as big a fan of edits that take a bad movie or a good movie and just screw with it to get their own ideas in. Although yeah, I did a Phantom Edit too, once upon a time. My favorite fan edits are edits that have their own new ideas and bring something new to the table. I love the fan documentary format which you don't see a lot of - Building Empire being a great example ...

I also like the "Director's Cut" sort of DVD ... or a cut that shows what the movie was intended to be during shooting ... That either creates the movie the way the director really intended originally, or exposes and gives a greater understanding to the released cut. I can see why the Willard Ratman Cut didn't get high marks, but I give that edit points because it's a director's cut which wouldn't otherwise exist on DVD. I think that the Ratman cut needed to be done, because Willard had been hacked a bit to get a PG-13, and this restored the true version that should have been on DVD anyway. Director's cuts rule.

A great fan edit should make you think, in a perfect world this would be the DVD. Movies get compromised by the Hollywood system, filmmakers lose their power or get too much power and aren't able or willing to put out the films the way they should be. I'm interested in the Star Wars fan edit as a corrective to the power trip of George Lucas, how he hasn't given the original trilogy the love it deserves, etc., imagining how a DVD would have been done right THEN. I'm also interested in the fan edit that gives the power back to a filmmaker whose vision was compromised by studio politics. He doesn't have the power, and his version ought to be on DVD but isn't. So you make that version. That interests me more than reediting Return of the Jedi to make Luke's saber blue and cut out Yoda for some reason. (A joke, but the equivalent of this seems to be done with the prequels on a roughly daily basis.)

As a filmmaker, I think that every edit should respect the director's intention on some level ... I kind of cringe a little when I see people editing films in ways that aren't what the director EVER intended. I mean, you could be doing an edit that the director would hate you for doing NOW, but which he'd have loved back THEN, and that's cool with me .... but yeah, even the lamest directors kind of deserve to be treated with some respect. When you say, oh, I've taken Wedding Crashers and taken out Will Ferrell's character and it WORKS SO MUCH BETTER NOW ... I just say what? I'm making that example up, of course, but there are lots of edits where I just say, well, that's not what they ever intended. Anyone, at any stage of the production. What truth is there in that edit? There's no truth in that, you've just cut a character out. You haven't exposed any reality about the making of the film or polished it to a more perfect state.

Or if you tackle a movie that no one cares about, and make an edit no one cares about. Yeah, great, you edited Jeepers Creepers. Good job. (Apologies if anyone's actually edited Jeepers Creepers.)

I do like the idea of Batman & Robin Deassified, though I didn't see it. Because that's, well, that movie isn't a Batman movie, and if not for Hollywood bullshit, they might have gotten a real director and made a real Batman movie, so you try to make a real Batman movie out of it.

But y'know, The Phantom Batman Reloaded & Robin ain't never gonna be good. I mean, these are bad movies. They're never gonna REALLY be good.


Anyway.


About the covers.

I didn't enter this, but to me it looked like the cost and time to get proper copies of ALL my recent edits to all those judges would have been a little tough anyway. Having to send that many copies of that many edits with printed cover art too? Jeez, I never send out my edits with printed cover art. And I've gotten good at sending out a lot of copies. I can't imagine how starting-out editors would feel.

Why not judge the cover art on the damn JPEGS, as they are? Posted on the web? This is a WEBsite, isn't it?
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#196676
Topic
The Mask - Workprint (Released)
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That's not pointless, far from it. Using DVD quality material where possible allows you to see subtleties in the image that are lost in these shitty VHS dubs. It lets you see what the filmmakers saw. A good quality picture with workprint sound is a completely different experience than anything available otherwise, and teaches you a lot.

Pretty much every fan edit I've ever done has been something "pointless" like that. I've never seen a workprint of anything where most of the footage wasn't in the final cut, just with different audio.

In this case, the two most important deleted scenes are already available on DVD, in their original workprint forms, and would integrate perfectly into the film.

Etc etc etc etc etc
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#196674
Topic
Help Wanted: 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?' Laserdisc Footage - censored scene
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You could also throw in I Drew Roger Rabbit, the trailer (which is hidden on the pan & scan version of the new release) and something from The Thief (trailer perhaps - either Arabian Knight or my trailer).

What is this, a Pig Head edit? I think it was MarioXB who said he had the original TV airing with the pig head scene and other bits intact.


We've been gathering hours and hours and hours (10 discs so far) of material related to director Richard Williams, so you can always steal something from our set I suppose ....