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#203872
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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>>Pretty cool news for us geeks: we just got Vic Armstrong on board as our stunt advisor and second unti action director. Went up to his place at the weekend and saw his awesome home theater as well as the ORIGINAL Indy hat and whip!

Very, very nice! An honor to work with him.


>> I can, over the next couple of weeks, start dubbing the stuff to DVCam, but wanna be sure he can handle it

I'll PM you about this ... I've asked him.


>> No pre-1983 RW Roger scenes, but I would dearly, dearly love to see more and have all of that stuff (I'm pretty obsessive about Roger Rabbit.

Been trying to dig this stuff up! We'll see. My various contacts for it have fallen through though. But maybe ...

>. Actually, another project I'm involved in just landed Bob Hoskins for the lead, so I'm heading down to set to get all my Roger stuff signed)

Great! Bob Hoskins ... one of the greats.

>> I thought we were up to 12/13??

Technically it's more like 15. =) That's counting 4 discs that aren't really part of the main collection tho'. We've got 11 "must have" discs.

>> I still have Don's WDFA contacts. Not sure how I would approach him, or if he's the right guy to talk to, but thats a possible possibility. I also potentially have links to Andreas Deja and Eric Goldberg, if we wanted to be more stealth like and just possibly get an idea if this is floating around anywhere right now at the Mouse House.

Very nice! Good story there, always curious about projects which never quite made it.

It would be nice to get some DVDs over to Eric Goldberg and Andreas Deja, I think they'd be interested rather than angered, and might give some info.




Now, Patrick ...

>> Ok, I'm very low on the green being that it's the end of the semester. I just can't practically burn enough DVD-R's for my class by Wednesday.

Aaargh. Not even a couple?

>> By the way, what's the story behind the Majestic Films booklet? It has all the original voice cast listed... didn't the CBC already redub everyone by the time they picked it up?

That's the back of the "Once ..." booklet. Majestic Films was involved even at that early stage ... 1988ish.

Really, it wouldn't be far off to include the Majest Films and even Warner Bros logos at the beginning of the Recobbled Cut. They were involved.
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#203642
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Yeah, some sort of pointless and misguided censorship there. Miramax also cut out One Eye hitting Zigzag in the balls after Zigzag says "balls."

Bastards!


Pt. 6 - One Eyes Win Again! (with new footage) Zigzag plots away, The Thief steals Yumyum's shoe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72pW-ccZP2Q


Part 7 - A dream! A nightmare! A vision of invasion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNxBlc4nUo


Part 8 - The Thief gets the balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJ0Olrv_Ik


Pt. 9 - The balls are gone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2voah-CeIc
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#203639
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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I hardly count as a pro, but I know the feeling! This stuff has to be pushed aside when "real filmmaking" arises. =D

BH also knows that feeling at the moment I'm sure - might explain why he's so busy. I'll give you his address, as I'm sure he can handle the transfer ... somehow.

Wonderful that you've tracked most of it down ... keep looking for the Oscars and The Little Island. I forget if you had the 1983 pre-Williams Roger Rabbit scenes.


As for beating Warners' 14-disc Superman .... if you count my "optional discs for completionists", I already have. =D
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#203635
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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He watched the scene with the Thief stealing the emerald, and didn't like the Folk score being added to it - doesn't like that theme.

So I'm doing what I can to minimize the Folk-ness.




There's almost no way to NOT add music to this film with what I'm doing with it.


It's a judgement call. I have to make a lot of decisions to do what I feel will make the most entertaining film. As a filmmaker, I just have to look at it critically and do what I can.
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#203630
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Cos Calvert took stuff away.



I'm keeping everything Williams did in. Anything I'm adding is intended to make the film feel more "complete" and not a rough workprint. It is a thin line, but I'm trying to be as faithful as I can.

The goal is to make the film easier to watch than the workprint, with cleaner picture quality, more finished material, more music.



Still, thin line.


It is necessary to add music in order to benefit from the clear sound and sound effects of the Princess and the Cobbler soundtrack. I knew I'd have to use some of the Princess soundtrack to cover places in the workprint where sound was missing (like about 20 minutes in the middle of every copy I've ever seen), and to use the clearer voice tracks for Price, Davies, etc.

This required me to add some music to cover the transitions to the Princess soundtrack.

I really have no choice in the matter, but I do feel that adding more music improves the unfinished film. It's clear enough that the film needs more music - some scenes go on for a long time in silence without it, and would always have had more music in the finished film.
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#203540
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FAN EDIT REQUEST THREAD - Post your dream Fan Edits Here!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203540/action/topic#203540
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I've got one - Red Dwarf, the Movie.

I'm watching Red Dwarf series 7 for the first time - I'd always avoided it after seeing one awful episode from it (Stoke Me a Clipper) ... it's clearly the worst series for a great show ...

But watching the DVD's extended versions of "Tikka to Ride" and "Ouroboros", which are presented without a laugh track ...

This might as well be Red Dwarf the movie. They're all filmlooked, and only rarely look like video during these episodes due to the single-camera style. There's a flashback and time travel aspect to both episodes that would lend itself well to a movie, and to including clips from previous series ... we flash back to the end of series 6, the beginning of series 1 (to annoyingly rewrite history and include the black hole of comedy herself, Chloe Annett, who sucks the humor out of the series ... but never mind, it'd be a good excuse to revisit series 1 or 8 in the movie) ... Lister's wedding to a Gelf back in ... series 5 I think ... is also referenced.

These being flashbacks, they wouldn't have to look like film, if you kept them brief. You'd have to be carefully choose non laugh track material though ... thankfully the DVDs contain lots of material without laugh tracks as deleted scenes, outtakes etc.

These two episodes do link together slightly, despite Rimmer not being in the latter. The ending to Ouroboros, which is a good one, uses the time travel device from Tikka to Ride.

I think that these episodes and others from Red Dwarf series 7 could be edited together into one coherent story. I think the pace should be picked up a bit, because it doesn't quite work without the laugh track.

Effects shots from previous series could be used in all their filmy glory, and if possible, I'd like to see Holly brought back somehow. You'd have to keep Rimmer in the story too somehow.

You'd also have to crop the 4x3 footage to 16x9, and sort of rework the order of things, introduce the plotlines of all the episodes you're using together at the beginning of the film.


But it would definitely work. It's halfway there already.


Just an idea.
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#203524
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Yeah, animated movies never have voice actor credits up front unless they're cheap celebrityfests in the Shrek mold.

I was running out of big animation-related things to put up there tho' - I was one step away from crediting animators Neil Boyle and Tim Watts, and when you do that you have to credit EVERYONE I think.

I guess I wanted to show off that I actually knew the names of the actors. =) That information hasn't been in a cut before.



At any rate, I'm probably too lazy to do another version ... unless I have to correct something!




And clearly I'm still using The Thief theme to introduce the character .... and I'm GLAD I tells ya! GLAD!!!
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#203488
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Project Im Working on - Bruce Lee's Game of Death - 35th Anniversary Edition (* unfinished project *)
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With what?

"How do I make a fan edit?"


I'd start by using MPEG Streamclip to rip all the footage from the DVDs in PhotoJPEG format, 80% quality, 720x480 (size if NTSC). Change your AV settings in Final Cut Pro to match -- 24 fps, PhotoJPEG format, 16x9, 720x480. If you've got PAL material at 25fps, import it using the "interpret 25 fps as 24 fps" setting.

Then start editing.
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#203425
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203425/action/topic#203425
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Eh ... I did that with the Witch shots because I had the witch in DVD quality (pan & scan) ... Tack and The Thief here are workprint quality, so putting them on a clean background wouldn't be as good ... also we'd lose the distortion.


In this cut I'm trying to avoid really showing what I'm doing - I'd like it to be sort of invisible. If it looks choppy and cobbled together it takes people out of the movie. For example - there's a shot of The Thief climbing down a tree in the polo game (which we now have the pencils from by Ken Harris) ... in the rough cut I spent years on this shot, pasting the clear version of it from the Calvert credits over it, painting out the credits ...

Problem is, no matter how much time you spend doing that, the Calvert credits are still running at a different frame rate (the workprint frames being smudged together), with a big dark patch in the lower right corner.

So no matter how much work I put into it, it never looked clean, it just looked like I'd spent a lot of time doing something that didn't come off.


So I said screw it to all the work I'd done and just ran the workprint version, which looks fine.

So ... eh.
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#203379
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203379/action/topic#203379
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Heck with it, here's a video clip of the "Getting to know you" sequences (plus the Thief in the pipes, the king and the maiden, and Yumyum and Meemee in the bath).

http://rapidshare.de/files/18629875/gettingtoknowsm.mov.html

I put some crazy work reanimating this material. Enjoy.

Note that the bath scene has some extra material now ...

I'll stress that this isn't the final audio. This is the old audio. I haven't started work on the audio yet.



I'll post the Calvert version so you can compare directly.

http://rapidshare.de/files/18630478/gettingtoknowcalvertsm.mov.html
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#203365
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203365/action/topic#203365
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Glad you dig!



The continuity on Tack's hand went to junk in three shots ...

So I've reanimated Tack's right hand in three shots.


>> The border between the new face and her cloak is really sharp, which is in contrast with the soft borders on everything else in the shot. Is that apparent in the scene, or is that a bi-product of the scene being screencapped?

Yeah, it is too sharp. Oh well. Not gonna redo it!

>>But really, beautiful work. The scene with the flower sketches over the background looks amazing. What is the background from?

Screengrab from "She is More" ... kind of an inside joke. Very inside. =) Since this scene replaces that song.

>> So, what is there left to do? Are you still contemplating other over-involved, completely deranged restorations of certain scenes?

We'll see ...

There is a lot left to do.

I haven't touched the audio yet for example.

Or part 2.


I have an idea for a shot involving a mouse, but Calvert's version of this shot is so badly animated that I'm not sure it's worth it.




I've added a zoom-out to the first shot, duplicating what Williams wanted. Painted out some film errors in one shot. Oh, almost every shot is changed in some way. What an insane scene.

I think it really works now ...
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#203357
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203357/action/topic#203357
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For the rough cut, I reversed and repeated footage of Yumyum for her to say "Tack? Is that your name?"

It bugs me that it's so obvious, considering how spot-on the scene is now.

I've gone ahead and reanimated a couple of elements on her face (one earring and the mouth) as the footage repeats, to make it look a lot more natural. It still looks a bit repeated, I'd have to REALLY go in and rework that bit for it to be perfect.

I could ... but I probably won't. It's fine.
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#203353
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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http://orangecow.org/thief/nameistackgrab2.jpg
http://orangecow.org/thief/nameistackgrab1.jpg

Which one looks more like Tack? =) Mouth on Tack - Entire shot reanimated and retimed. It changes the whole personality of the shot - he doesn't look forcibly happy and really looks like Tack, with the subtle personality that that entails.

http://orangecow.org/thief/nannywalksgrab2.jpg
http://orangecow.org/thief/nannywalksgrab1.jpg

Which one looks more like Nanny? Face on Nanny - Entire shot reanimated.

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabpipe.jpg

Here's an invented shot. Tack from another scene is placed on an entirely new background. Outside the window, a shaking, jangling pipe is animated by manipulating and stretching a single drawing of a pipe carefully. This replaces a storyboard of the same thing (which was unnecessarily confusing in the edit), and works really well.

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabwilliamsanim.jpg

Logo forms out of smoke. Taken from Williams' own handwriting circa 1966.

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabwilliamsfilm.jpg

Also taken from Williams' own handwriting, circa 1980s.

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabonce.jpg

Once ...

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabtacksleeps.jpg

Tack sleeps. Pencil test placed carefully on a background. A very very complicated process involving dozens of steps, which was done frame by frame in Photoshop, using a record/replay action batch convert tool.

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabhands1.jpg

This sketch of Yumyum's hands (and some birds flying by) from the storyboards now moves, over a moving background, to give the impression that the camera is spinning around 360 degrees as Williams intended. What was once a confusing storyboard is now very clear and entertaining.

http://orangecow.org/thief/grabflowers.jpg

A black and white pencil test of the window turns into color to lead into a color closeup of Yumyum. This is halfway between the two. Again, this makes an edit that was confusing before work amazingly well.

That's my goal - to make the edit clear, so that people can just watch the film without being confused by a weird or awkward jump to storyboard or whatever ...

Gonna be a good one ...!
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#203340
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203340/action/topic#203340
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I've just gone in, frame by frame, and entirely reanimated a 3-second shot.

It's a shot from Calvert's cut, a wide shot of the Nurse, Yumyum and Tack. In Calvert's version, the Nurse is insulting Tack for no reason right after he's fixed her glasses. I needed this shot to show the Nurse walking out of the room.

So I reanimated the Nurse's face to have a calm expression as she walks away. I used three frames from a closeup of her with her glasses (a Williams shot sticking out like a sore thumb in this Calvert mess), and just cycled them. I also fixed some of Calvert's shooting errors - frames of Yumyum misplaced suddenly on the pegs, bits of dust ...

I could have only used part of this shot, but decided to reanimate the whole shot, because at the end of it, Yumyum starts talking, and her lips match up perfectly, timingwise, with her saying "Cobbler?" It worked quite well.

(EDIT: Looks like I reanimated more of it than I needed to, too - I've cut out a bit of it for the timing of the edit.)

A lot of work, but I think it's worth it - this is EXACTLY how I wanted to edit the scene, and now I can. It's much much more Williams-y now.

This replaces another shot I had reanimated for the rough cut, a closeup of Yumyum saying "Cobbler?"

I've reanimated/altered most of the shots in this scene now ... it's unrecognizable from what it was. I'm quite proud.
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#203333
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FAN EDIT REQUEST THREAD - Post your dream Fan Edits Here!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203333/action/topic#203333
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He's aged a bit over the years, you'd have to pick the stuff from the middle part of his career mostly, avoiding T3 and very early Conan the Barbarian type stuff.

But yeah, that'd be possible enough.



Maybe not as fun as a big Doctor Who party, but fun.



Wouldn't be that hard to pull off in theory, but you'd have to make it entertaining and original, so as a filmmaker you'd just have to be really creative and funny and clever. Which is always an enjoyable problem to solve. =D

It would be more fun to recut Arnold movies into chick flicks. Romantic comedies, swooning epic romances.

Like that trailer for The Shining.



EDIT: Actually, to give your "best of Arnold" film a different feel if people watching it are really familiar with lesser Arnold films, you should create a new villain for it. Steal a villain from some other, non Arnold film. Villain scenes are usually separate from hero scenes anyway - they're off in their office or lair plotting and don't meet the hero til the end. It's the lackeys who Arnold has to shoot and blow up. I was gonna say, take a villain from some lame action movie starring a lesser hero, but hey, go for broke, make sure it's a good villain ... like, someone like Christopher Walken or Robert Loggia or Frank Langella or Ian MacShane or Dennis Hopper or Hopkins. Anthony Hopkins.

Sylvester Stallone would be hilarious for stunt casting (Get Carter remake era, Spy Kids 3 type) ... but probably for no other reason.

If you were a Hollywood director and could film new footage for this, my casting suggestion would be: Dolly Parton.



I'm gonna keep quietly suggesting the "Crawford redub" Phantom of the Opera and extended Muppet Movie as edits, since someone oughtta do 'em.

Redub Phantom would be a huge hit.
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#203329
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FAN EDIT REQUEST THREAD - Post your dream Fan Edits Here!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203329/action/topic#203329
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Here's an idea for Doctor Who fans ...

"The Ten Doctors" ...

or the Twelve or Thirteen or Fifteen or however many doctors, if you're a fan of the quasi incarnations played by Cushing, Atkinson, Grant, et al.

Just for fun, taking footage from various episodes to edit every single actor who's played Doctor Who into a single nonsensical episode. 1st Doctor Hartnell meets Rose, in black and white.

Just being silly.



EDIT: Thinking on this some more. I think the largest number of Doctors in a single scene the BBC ever pulled off was three, in The Five Doctors. And Hartnell on video in The Three Doctors sort of counts. A very clever fan could probably do better.


In a trailer for the Tennant series, Tennant morphs into Rose for a second. Some effect like that (it's a simple Photoshop trick) could be done to show the Doctor morphing into his past selves. A new linking plot could be filmed starring some amateur in a costume putting pieces on a chessboard or some crap like that. This is Doctor Who, so with no offense to the BBC, shooting links on a low budget wouldn't really stand out much.

The piece could be kept short ... even done as a trailer first. It would mainly be an experiment to see if you can make it appear that actors filmed in different decades, often on different stock, are acting together in the same scene. Video stock from Doctors 3 through 7 will look okay. Hartnell, and any Troughton not from the reunion eps would require the whole scene to be black and white, which could probably be faked. Eccleston, Piper and Tennant (and oh god, McGann) scenes would require different treatment as they look newer and filmier, but hey. The two might actually go well together, if you treat the hell out of the latter.

You might want to seek out other performances by the Doctor actors, in other films and TV shows, to get some less familiar line readings, for audio at least. For some reason Tom Baker in the recent remake of Randall & Hopkirk Deceased comes to mind, as he's playing a funny mentor.





Yeah, okay, just thinking about it for fun.