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#204940
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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Someone should come to London with a DVD recorder! =D


Scanned a few more things. The main thing is the Princess and the Cobbler logo from the poster. It's HUGE. Be warned.

http://www.orangecow.org/thief/princesscobblerlogo.jpg

I was disappointed when I got this - I'd spent a bit of money on the poster because it used some form of the original logo on it. I've never seen the real Thief and the Cobbler logo in print ... on my cover I had to use a crap screen grab ... so having a big copy of the "Cobbler" part of the logo anyway was quite appealing.

No such luck - this isn't the full detailed gold version you'd expect. It's been redrawn by some idiot, it looks like a mockup done in magic marker or something. Not good.


Well, I have a clear version of the word "Thief" on the Thief Who Never Gave Up poster, and a clear version of "and the Cobbler" on this one ... to get a good Thief and the Cobbler logo one could use the rough outline from these two posters, and then somehow add really sharp gold detailing like the real logo ... somehow ...
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#204839
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204839/action/topic#204839
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Hi there Rob!

Justin's a good man ... an old and dear friend. =) I think he's reading this thread occasionally too.


What we really need in the UK is someone with something like a Sony PD-150 camera, something that plays DVCAM.



Patrick - Actually, a lot of the pencil animation was pretty sketchy in the the Zigzag tower stuff ... Dick had only roughed it out, no ones yet. The Calvert stuff is so bad there because they were taking slightly rough material and interpreting it in a really vague way - didn't really know what they were doing.


I go to sleep having edited The Thief's flying shot ... it's nice to be working with better material, where I can make the ideas I had in the rough cut about making shots flow together REALLY work. The bluescreen technique used in this shot works really well now --- it's all seamless.
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#204831
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204831/action/topic#204831
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Nice trailer. Send me a DVD copy and I'll put it in the collection somewhere.

The "world which we see" cut to the Thief's eyes is genius. The "silent comedy" montage goes on a bit long for my taste, but that's your focus in this presentation, I get it ... few too many Calvert shots I think, and an abrupt end. Otherwise good stuff.

Great work!



On paper - It's spelled "Verschoor."



The Brigand crotch hit was never animated (I think this shot was done by the London team for Calvert) ... I'd forgotten about it til you mentioned it. The eye poke was most certainly animated, but cut out. Censorship, bah.

The Zigzag crotch hit is right there ... it's not actually clear what causes it, some kind of chain reaction from One Eye's fist hitting the women, and maybe them hitting Zigzag. This was a Calvert finish of a Williams scene. London team did it as far as I can tell.



Working on the edit right now.

I'm at the hands which lead to the witch.

Did the big Zigzag/One Eye reveal shot with frame by frame color correction - again - and a large image of One Eye which I cobbled together and have matchmoved and frame by frame color corrected.

This shot is always insanely difficult (and this is the third time I've done it) ... it's almost impossible in fact because the shot was refilmed after the workprint, for Princess and the Cobbler (and the Princess WIP) ... and the Princess shot has completely different lighting, a different background behind One Eye, ravens flying by in different places, different camera movement, all kinds of differences, yet I have to combine it with the workprint shot to make it widescreen .... they're not quite the same shot. It can drive you mad ...
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#204719
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Star Wars DVD Covers
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204719/action/topic#204719
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DarthVong ... don't use that image of Luke on the back ... it looks very Photoshopped and 2006. It kills the retro vibe you're going for, because it's so familiar from bad 2006-era Lucasfilm licensing. At least put it on a flat color background, as it would have been back then.

The image of Leia on the back also sets off warning signals ... I don't think that pic (or anything similar) was part of any licensing campaign in 77, and certainly the greens wouldn't have been as Photoshop bright if it was. They would have used bun hair Leia, probably from the scene with Tarkin.

Just noticed special edition X-Wings and Death Star on the back - all CGI. Aaargh. Use an original trilogy image there, please.

And it wouldn't have been called "A New Hope" in large letter even in 1983, which is what (from the red font) I think you're going for. If they called it "A New Hope" it would have been in a small and apologetic way.
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#204531
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204531/action/topic#204531
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Nice GIF animations!


>> I'm still indifferent about the fight scene, but at least it's not that bad when edited down like in the rough cut.

Cut down a LOT more now ... and I'm continuing to work on it.

>> I can't help but laugh at "What, cobbler?" since it's such a horrible Price imitation.

I always thought it was a horrible line cut together from actual Price words. Either way it was never in my cut. =)

EDIT: Actually I'll have to check the cut from six years ago, it might have been in there, but I don't think so.

>> The gag with the Thief being lifted up isn't bad, either, since he really does come off as a hero.

Yeah, despite the horrible animation I thought it was nice to momentarily reward the Thief for his .... er, heroics? at the end.

>> The only problem is that the guards don't seem to be responsive to his horrible stench...

Well, the shot only lasts a few seconds. Leave it a few seconds longer, animated in a Williams style, and you'd get that. =D

>> One thought... I really love is the whole banana leaves flight sequence. The Thief finally finds something he enjoys besides stealing.

=D
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#204457
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204457/action/topic#204457
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Last night I cut the Tack/Zigzag fight out of the film.

Today I had second thoughts and put some of it back.



As I've said before, you need SOMETHING there .... Tack needs to do something heroic at this point, and it has to take your mind off The Thief's adventures for a second.



So I've left in the following:

First "break from the Thief" -- Same as in the rough cut. One Eye cries. Zigzag comes in on his horse, tries to kidnap Yumyum, she throws him off his horse, Cobbler's foot comes into frame.

Second "break from the Thief" -- I moved up the death of One Eye and put it here. I hate to kill off a main villain this early but there's a long Thief section coming up and I need to beef up this break. Cut to: Zigzag is choking Tack. Tack ties Zigzag up. Yumyum reacts.

That's literally it. I cut the entire fight down to four quick shots with no fighting in them, and nothing that you could construe as out of character for anyone. I even cut the Tack/Yumyum hug.

The animation here isn't good - the actual fight is much better animated - but I think it'll do.



I would prefer to leave this scene in entirely, as it is in the rough cut, but this very short cut of it should give less to complain about.
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#204320
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204320/action/topic#204320
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Normally round this time I'd be doing my usual nice quick editing job, and getting the video for Pt. 2 of the Recobbled Final Cut in order.


But, as you know, money issues have reared their ugly head and I don't know if I'll have anywhere to sleep in four, five days. No money, nowhere to go, etc.


Because I'm an idiot, I've continued to work a bit on the Recobbled Final Cut, because I want SOMETHING nicer than the rough cut done before I leave this place.


The Final Cut will still be done in May.


But at the moment I've created the Rough Cut version 1.5, which will become the Rough Cut 2.0 by tomorrow.


Since part 1 of the film now has pretty much final video, and I secretly had another completed version of pt 2 (done with the Stanch workprint) which I never showed anybody, which is not as good as the Emule workprint but better than the Rough Cut workprint ...

I figured I'd put that better version of the film onto DVD, for the time being.


So ...

Recobbled Rough Cut version 1.5 .... This has the basically finished video for the first half of the film. (Although with mostly the old crappy audio.) This is what you saw on Youtube. The second half is the same old version from the Recobbled Rough Cut.

Recobbled Rough Cut version 2 -- rendering this one out now. This has the basically finished video for the first half of the film. (Although with mostly the old crappy audio.) For the second half, I've started off with a couple of "final" quality scenes, and the rest is from the Stanch workprint, which is better than the Recobbled Rough Cut, but not as good as the final.


So, whoever I send the rough cut to in the next couple weeks will get this version ... kind of a stopgap solution.


Anyone who wants to mail me something within the next couple weeks can mail it to my friend Jason:

Jason Gutierrez
809 South Spruce Street
Montebello, CA 90640

Just mark that it's for Garrett Gilchrist, and he'll get the idea.


Best wishes, guys. I'll keep you updated.
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#204249
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204249/action/topic#204249
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>> Or... REALLY CRAZY IDEA... How much is a 20/30gb hard drive? I could perhaps shift everything onto one drive and send that out? It would be in the Matrox uncompressed AVI format (which DEFINATELY plays in Quicktime and FCP). That's a pretty crazy idea.


Ha ... if you can capture that way, surely you can compress the material into M2V format (MPEG-2), the DVD format, in which case it's a DVD and no further steps need to be taken!

You could burn it in whatever format onto DVDs 4GB at a time also.


>> BTW, I checked out that Raggedy Ann And Andy disc - did you guys realize that the WHOLE THING is anamorphically stretched, and lot just the opening shots of the girl? At least the version I have is.

In my version, which is from VHS, it is SLIGHTLY stretched anamorphically, but not much. Not much at all.

Chris Boniface has done a lovely restoration from my disc which stretches the image out again ... I haven't received his final version in the mail yet though. I have an early attempt.

I really want to see your version here ... I'm sure it's better than mine, which suffered from compression issues.


>> I agree with a post above - the stair chase scene is a dead ringer for the same in The Thief...definitely some kind of test

Yep. The Raggedy Ann sequence was based on a Little Nemo comic. Williams liked it so much he put a similar but better sequence into The Thief.
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#204121
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204121/action/topic#204121
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Crap. Okay, we got a problem.


Do we have someone who has a PAL DVCam camera or deck? (I'm told that's the slightly pro version of MiniDV ... probably the same as NTSC's DVCPro.)

All of Ben's material is going to be transferred to DVcam ... not MiniDV. We need these tapes to then be transferred to PAL DVD, via a DVD recorder or whatever.

Can anyone handle this? Because ** can't, so crap.
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#204106
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The Lost Simpsons Short: Nazis on Tap
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/204106/action/topic#204106
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Simpsons storyboard artist John Mathot writes in with an MP3 and a few words on a never-produced Simpsons short, "Nazis on Tap." Enjoy!

http://www.orangecow.org/1morestuff/Simpsons___Nazis_On_Tap.mp3


OK, so here's an MP3 of "Nazis on Tap", and I can send you a hard
copy of the script. The Simpson Archive has some info, but here's
the real story: it all started in 1991 as a joke between Groening &
Sam Simon about whether or not Nazis were funny. Matt stauchly said
no, so an amused Sam went behind his back to try to make this short.
To further irritate Matt, it also included all of his least favorite
things about animation (anthropomorphic talking animals, wild bulgy
eye takes, etc.). It all ended when 1) Matt got wind of it and 2)
the animation company at the time wouldn't start production (seems
Fox wanted to "piggyback" the short on the end of a production
episode, and didn't think they'd have to pay for it). And now it's
yours!



Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons,rec.arts.tv
From: bhoward@neon.Stanford.EDU (Brian Howard)
Subject: Re: "The Simpsons" Air Dates (3/18/91)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1991 21:57:58 GMT
No one I've talked to seems to know where TV Guide got the idea that there would be a short after the show on March 21st; however, from the description "set in the 1940's" it would have to be a short that was originally planned to air at the end of Bart the Daredevil. It was called "Nazis on Tap", and started off with Harry Shearer doing an announcer's voice saying something like "And now, here's a short from the Simpsons archives, from the year 1944." Homer was in a 40's version of Moe's Tavern (for some reason, the bartender was a dog; perhaps someone else can supply a more specific reference for why they would have done this. I just have a vague feeling that this sort of species mixing was common in a certain style of cartoon), relaxing after a hard day's work in the defense plant. Hitler sits next to him at the bar, and starts pumping him for information about weapons and invasion plans -- Homer of course answers all the questions. Then Bart comes along, spots Hitler, and chases him. The final scene is of Roosevelt giving Bart a medal for capturing Hitler; when Bart starts to chase after another man who is present at the ceremony, FDR says "No, no, that's Joseph Stalin, our friend!" The short ends with Bart saying "Catching Hitler was neato! Next stop, Hirohito!"

Anyway, as far as I know, all that was done on this was the script and voice track (hearing which provided me with virtually all I know about the short), and the character design (the dog, the world leaders, and the 40's versions of Homer and Bart). At that point, someone decided that maybe they didn't want to go through with the idea (as I heard it, it all started as something of a dare to find something funny about Hitler), and the last my source knew, that was that. When it appeared in TV Guide, therefore, it was something of a shock. It was of course possible that Gracie had moved the project to another animation studio (you may have noticed that the Deep, Deep Trouble video wasn't done by Klasky-Csupo; there's been considerable friction over this, and supposedly the contract for next year states that Gracie Films will do all their Simpsons projects with K-C) and gone ahead with it. Since it hasn't actually appeared on TV, however, I can't do anything more than speculate.

Brian Howard

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#203931
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Star Wars: Deleted Magic (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203931/action/topic#203931
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I don't really mind people selling it ... I wish they'd use an approved cover for it, though. That cover is interesting though, a nice variation on Coov's first, so I mentioned it. To disapprove of anything else would be kind of hypocrisy .... it doesn't make me happy, but does show that these and other fan edits have made inroads into the world. I know that whoever sells it, people are watching my actual DVD, unaltered.

Those fuckers who reedited the thing poorly and plopped it up on the web at grinvi.com, though ... they can fry.


Hey, we're on Youtube ..



Deleted Magic Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y22kkHBEndk

Deleted Magic part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9jBuvmjRhw

Deleted Magic: Empire montage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB2z6L2m5WY