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#203326
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Info: Whats on Your Shelf????
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203326/action/topic#203326
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Pleasantly surprised. Was very glad to see a lot of little Orange Cows ... Pretty much everyone has a copy of Deleted Magic and the Classic Editions with my "preferred" cover, or a very good cover I like .... displayed with Building Empire and Return of the Ewok at that!

=D

I hardly even knew there WAS a Special Edition Hype cover. Is that the landscape one? Only one I've seen. Also, is there a cover anywhere for the Auditions specifically for my release rather than Rikter's?

Anyway.

Gladdens my heart. You guys are doing all these fan edits much justice with packaging. If only convention bootleggers would do the same.

But, uh, Daveytod ... "Return ON the Ewok?"


Is that the porn version?
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#203235
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203235/action/topic#203235
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There's a bad cut after "Seize him" - three frames of Tack. The transition to the comedy music is too abrupt. Should be a soft dissolve. Maybe introduce all the characters before going into the comedy. Maybe include the "outward and visible dream" narration over your beginning on the mountains. There's too much of the Thief going after the balls - you don't want to use a lot of similar shots.
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#203168
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Info: 'Beer Wars', eh, you hosers?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203168/action/topic#203168
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Here's the Youtube version, eh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgxPIkjG3J0


I cut it off at 10 minutes, eh, cos that's all Youtube will allow .... the hosers.



I'm trying to upload the last bit too, but been having trouble with Youtube not recognizing the sound.



In other news, a Youtube Deleted Magic trailer? Sure, why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y22kkHBEndk


Actually I'm considering putting maybe all of Deleted Magic up at Youtube. For the hell of it.
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#203094
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203094/action/topic#203094
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Guess you can't use my trailer since it has to be your own work for this project ... but feel free to crib from it.

All I did with mine was go through my hard drive copy of the Miramax cut, and grab any shot I felt was great in that trailer type way.

Eh ...


It's a shame to cut down:

"In the city there dwelt a lowly shoemaker, who was known as Tack the Cobbler. Also in the city, existed a Thief. Who shall be ... nameless."

Why not cut the bit about the balls instead?
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#203084
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Info: 'Beer Wars', eh, you hosers?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203084/action/topic#203084
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CLP is a genius. This disc is a work of genius.


Eh, you hosers.



This should be a special feature on somebody's trilogy release ... somewhere.

It's great to be able to watch the original or special edition based on taste. I prefer the original actually, despite the quality. Cos it's the original. Y'know.


The new soundtrack is great, sounds great, looks great - I'm amazed at how much work was done on such a silly little release like this. Well played ... well played.
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#203077
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203077/action/topic#203077
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All right then. Not just me. Feel better.




It's no problem since all I need is a couple storyboards from it, and the audio.



There are a lot of pops and errors in the audio on the Emule workprint too ... mostly during Zigzag's lines .... interesting because in my cut, I'm not USING most of Zigzag's lines from the workprint. So that works out okay.


=D


Clearly no matter how good the quality of the workprint gets, this is still the one to watch ... as any errors that come up, I can fix 'em ...

Apart from the better picture and sound quality and finished shots .... heh.





Anyway.


I've got the shot of Yumyum holding her nose working a bit better now.

I'm running it reverse in heavy slow motion, and then using a trick I developed for some Calvert shots of the One Eye War machine on fire that were animated on threes which I needed on ones ... I place other frames over it at lower opacity so each shot blends into the other, giving the impression of more inbetweens than are there.


The shot isn't great, but the timing on it is perfect.
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#203068
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203068/action/topic#203068
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>>Actually, I just popped in my Miramax DVD and I'd forgotten, but half the scene where Tack hammers his thumb was cut out anyway, so... I suppose there's nowhere to go but up even if the scenes are swapped 'round. So I suppose I forgive you.

Ha ... if it's any consolation, I've restored the entirety of that shot at the end.

It's tough to work with what Calvert gave us sometimes ...

Because the shot is longer, it also works as an introduction of Tack. Better than what I did in the rough cut, just splitting shot 2 up into two parts!

>> Oh yeah, you're going to cut out the bit with the nurse angrily pushing Yum-Yum out of the room away from Tack, right? I hate how that was added since she isn't indignant like that anywhere else in the film... and Tack just fixed her glasses.

Nope, that's staying in I'm afraid, for various reasons. Mainly because it's a gag. Yeah, in Calvert's version he had this whole thing with the nurse disapproving of Tack and Yumyum, and coming round at the end, which was a laughably half-assed attempt at a character arc.

In my cut, I'm just including it as a gag, that the Nurse gets impatient with Yumyum and drags her away from Tack for her bath. No meaning beyond that. I've recut it to reflect that.

A few reasons ... obviously it's completed animation, which helps it be more entertaining than storyboards ...

But here's the MAIN REASON, I like the shot of the Nurse getting impatient (tapping her foot), it looks Williamsesque.

There's a reason for that. Check your Calvert work in progress DVD, and you'll see this shot in pencil test form, animated by Williams as far as I can tell.

Yep!

So I'd be cutting Williams animation, just that one shot. I think Williams intended something similar to the scene as it plays out in Calvert's cut, but less confrontational ... no pushing!


The gag adds a bit of business to an otherwise pretty straightforward scene, and it's finished animation so eh.




EDIT:

Watched the new bath scene, featuring the different Yumyum pencils. Works quite well actually. This scene will now have no more storyboards.

I'm undecided on the shot of Yumyum covering her nose. It works well to use the version without Meemee in it .... the animation is pretty decent ... but this version of the shot is shorter, so to extend it I had it run backwards at the end ... and it's obvious and lame.

Hm.





Not to be crude ... but whoever animated this version of the bath scene didn't bother to have the water/suds cover up Yumyum's torso - looks like she's out of the water at the beginning of shot 2, and all of shot 1 is okay but questionable. I assume they would have done something clever to avoid showing anything.





The first Yumyum/Tack "getting to know you" scene is missing from my AVI of the workprint due to some sort of data error. Is this true for everyone else too?

Not a problem as I can get it from the Stanch workprint, but eh.
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#203047
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203047/action/topic#203047
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I'm pleased to say that all the new shots look great, and achieve more than the desired effect. =D

Finally, Yumyum's intro, and the Tack/Yumyum getting to know scene, is all it ought to be. The cuts to storyboards are now very few - just at the end of the first scene and the beginning of the second.

The shot of the pipe outside the window I'm especially happy with, because it looks like a Williams shot in a mass of Calvert shots .... which is really nice, that an invented shot looks better than the rest of the sequence.

And the shot of Yumyum does look better when she's blinking.

I have an idea for another shot to entirely reanimate, of the Nurse walking out of the room. I think I can do it, and that it's worth doing.
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#203024
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203024/action/topic#203024
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Sorry Elly. Don't mean to make sad.

I know the continuity is better that way.

But ..


1. Calvert screwed the shot up with a dissolve, in from The Golden City. There's no way to replicate that, and it's good to use a zoom in on The Golden City leading into Tack's first shot, as it matches the rest of my editing.

2. The music and sound effects go with the "thumb hit" shot.

3. The "needle threading" shot is only pencil test for the introduction of a major character. I did something really cool with it, but not cool enough.

4. Your average viewer won't notice.


Doing it the other way round would be a large amount of work for a lesser result.


As I said, sorry ...
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#202903
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/202903/action/topic#202903
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The insanity continues ...

I created an entirely new animated shot .... reused footage of Tack smelling something funny, put it on a new background, and animated a pipe (representing The Thief) shuddering and jangling around in the window.

This replaces a storyboard of the pipe coming into view in the window.



EDIT: Did another few insane shots ... I put some storyboards of Yumyum's hands on a multiplane camera, with a long rolling background, moving to represent the 360 degree shot that Dick intended. Then did some shots of Yumyum hidden behind flowers, which go from pencil to color ... The disparate shots all link up into each other now, and I hope it will show what Dick wanted here in a jazzier and less confusing way.

I haven't seen any of these shots in motion yet, no idea if they actually worked. But I think I'm done for the night, and I'll find out tomorrow ....
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#202892
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/202892/action/topic#202892
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Nice stitching! I stitched that one a bit back, but my computer crashed just as I was finishing, never got to save it. So thanks! =D


Who to contact at Disney ... geez ... um ... well, there's Don Hahn, but ... well ... I've got respect for the guy and he's #2 there now and VERY busy, I'd rather not have a million people bug him with emails, that's why I'm not bugging him myself even!

Maybe if a lot of people contacted him at once, with a single letter?


Mm.




EDIT:


I'm officially insane. I thought a shot of Yumyum would work better if she blinked in it. So I animated the blink.
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#202889
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/202889/action/topic#202889
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Seemed to work for Calvert! I'm amazed at how TV-quality their versions of his shots like Zigzag comforting King Nod are, and yet they WORK. Because the boards/pencils were good.

So wait, you need the discs you're sending me now back? Okay .. can do ...


So, I've officially created a new piece of animation for this film - I've reanimated Tack's mouth as he says his name is Tack.

So that he's no longer saying anything, of course.


I went frame by frame and did a new mouth on him. Clearly I'm insane.


=D Look for more surprises in this cut as I continue to be insane!