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This is probably the place Neptune came from:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-3D-Conversion/topic/12312/

The 2d-3d conversions sorta work.  But are not a good representation of the technology, according to the members there.

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Ok I see they've branched out into another forum.  The first clue of what they are doing is the following:

In the first phase of our conversion process unfortunately, there's not much that can be done yet for adjustment of depth. The second phase (frame advance on one side) can add some depth but it is motion dependent. We usually run the frame advance either for right to left or left to right. It could be done scene by scene but that would take alot longer. As it is now, it's an imperfect process. One could try swapping fields while viewing and play with dropping the horizontal parallax back a bit based on the scene. (these adjustments are available in Stereoscopic Player and Stereo Movie Maker).

via: http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/

Sounds like some SW people are significantly selling off their SW stuff:

Bunch more great pics and strange stuff, with very high prices!

Sluggo wrote: Does 3PO have his own musical theme?

In 'Star Wars Begins" someone is quoted as saying that 'only Han doesn't have his own theme', can't remember if it's Williams, and the rest of the context... or if i'm making this up... y.ee.aaaa.hhhhh.

yet even more ESB lead:

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?topic=11259.30

I can only speak from my experiences back in the early 80's - when you swapped bootlegs for blank tapes (which is why the current law was changed to read "gain, even if not monetary"). More than seven years ago.

Back when - if you knew the right people - you could get a copy of Empire Strikes Back that had been copied on a telecine without a widescreen lens so that everyone looked tall and squashed - unless you had a TV like my General Electric that allowed you to adjust the size of the picture on the screen from the back so that you could make the vertical smaller until that picture looked normal. Letterboxed Empire Strikes Back in my own home in 1984...sweet.

Even though it was one of the first places I was going to look through, didn't until this link popped up: (Going through entire thread)

http://www.vcdq.com/forum/topic41378-120.html

Star Wars Ep. 1, bought it off a guy when I was in high school for $5.


But if your saying a bootleg is one ripped from a movie theater with a cam/ts/scr then mine is a VHS of Star Wars Ep. 1


Ahhh, that reminded me, I had a faultless workprint/screener of Return of the Jedi. Well, I got it given as I can't of been old when it came out (I'd have been 2 it seems, I only remember cos my rents kept the copy for years as it was ace).



The first one I remember is the original Star Wars on Betamax, I must have been about 3. I Remember getting ESB for my 4th birthday and also ET and Superman 1 and 2 around this time. Still got the pirated SW trilogy on betamax somewhere.


Return of the jedi, bad cam hired from an asian video shop in the early '80s.



I can't really remember, exactly, but like I know back in the day I had Office Space, Matrix, Episode 1 and American Beauty all in .asf format ..


also i remember having pirates (well my cousin did) of the exorcist and return of the jedi.


My first pirated movie I watched was star wars a new hope I was just a little kid watching it on top loading vcr. But as far as the first movie I burnt myself I can't quite remember it was a crappy cam but I was amazed that I could do it.



oldest ive seen = empire strikes back and a couple of disneys.


Phantom Menace VCD with a huge "Z" watermark on the side of the screen.


Star Wars a new hope here. my Mom worked for a dodgy video store:D remember the quality being quite good although it was quite a few yrs


I remember mine being The Empire Strikes Back! It was from a friends "Biker" dad who had hundreds of quality films (some NOT for kids") that we found in a drawer in his bedroom. That copy of Empire was worn out as was E.T. and Jedi some time later! What's the worst quality copy anyone else has seen recently? - mine has to be the naff incomplete "Phantom of The Opera" Cam copy going around???



Star Wars Episode I


Star wars E4 in VHS


the first "digital" copy was "Star Wars Ep. 1".. A cam version.. and in the middle of the movie the screen went black after the "battery! battery!" logo jumped up and down..... then it came up again :) guess they did a fast battery switch there


First one i remember watching was Return of the jedi when i was a kid.



I wrote earlier in this thread it was ROTJ but a friend pointed out (In fact dug out of his attic) Star Wars:Telecine so I guess my first pirated video was actually a TC. How cool is that, god knows how old I was when I saw it, I was 6 when ROTJ came out.

it's even cooler that we still have a copy of the TC even if it is nth generation.

I'm going to have to watch it again (Although the quality is really quite bad) as suppossedly there are some subtle differences.

Might just redownload it though as there are better copies floating around the net for those true star wars freaks who know where to look.

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Looking through his attic, I seem to have found a treasure trove of '80's and '90's bootlegs, I notice most of the '80s bootlegs are cam's, most of the '90s are screeners. Star Wars is the only TC out of the bunch.

There's something truly cool about watching ghostbusters on a cam (Even though I have it on dvd) it really brings back the'80s feel I might have to watch temple of doom next (Maybe watching a cam of it will make it better).



My first non CAM was the Revenge of The Sith Workprint. It sorta got me hooked all over again;)


my first vhs pirate would've probably been Star Wars episode VI, although i had to hire it & copy it, so not really a proper pirate.



Would have to be Star Wars EP1, back in 99, pretty damn killer for a TS, plus it blew my mind how over 700mb could be burned, years later realizing overburning lol.


Star Wars Episode 1 was mine as well.

I'll always remember having the full scary movie in 63MB, two asf files... Thanks mirage (Or whoever it was).

http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24155&pagenumber=

The mono track was available either from a VHS bootleg telecine from the time of the films release or from 1980's ITV broadcasts in the UK

http://www.worlds-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-158806.html

What i do remember vividly is that my dad had some 'connections' and we were able to get our hands on a pirate copy of 'The Empire Strikes Back'. I had never seen so many people in our house to watch that video

http://www.allquests.com/question/1942555/Whats-the-earliest-film-you-remember-watching-on-VHS.html

can remember going into a video shop with my parents when I was about 5 and they couldn't rent us Empire Strikes Back but he offered us a priate copy.

Someone need to buy the Empire a watch.  During the DS attack:

"Rebel Base 3 minutes and closing."  Then two minutes pass and its:

"Rebel Base 1 minute and closing."  Then two minutes pass and its:

"30 seconds and closing."  Then one minutes passes and its:

"Death Star has cleared the planet."

"Nice Shootin', Tex" - Peter Venkman, Ghostbusters

"I rent. I have a lease, with an option to buy." - Fletch, Fletch

TML wrote: Abraham Lincoln?

I get that a lot, whenever i'm in the city, someone mentions it.  It came about because for whatever reason after 911, the police liked to search me when I took the subway to work.  So I eventually figured it was probably best to look like a terrorist, so grew a big beard for the driver's license photo.  Have since then refined it to the Abe beard.  Trying to get an inbetween 80s Kurtz/ SW Guiness Obi facial hair thing.  basically it's an excuse to shave less often.

Added those links to the first post.  That http://jona82.tripod.com/ was the main public face of TPM bootleg, looking back at the time.  Part of the push for one world release date.

Nice find of the Meet Joe Black TPM trailer.  Remember sitting through the movie for the trailer.  They played it before and after.  From that trailer, here's the AotC Yoda (Spider-Man) Trailer w/ audiences going wild:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZ5IDVxsBs&feature=related

Yup i'll attempt to contact them.  (and if you want there is an edit function for posts, especially if it's the last post, just amend with additional info.)

Video_Collector wrote:

When doing a search for Phantom Menace bootleg I found this blog, telling of how he first encountered the Z version:

http://shkspr.mobi/blog/index.php/2009/05/the-10th-aniversary-of-the-death-of-the-modern-film-industry/

Chatted with him at one point, see the blog comments.  He was curt in the online comment section, but more open in e-mail discussion.

The 'Galactic Trade Federation' sprang from OT.com.  Russs15's project to document the discs, primarily from early 2000 to 2006 or so.  Here's a thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Galactic-Trade-Federation-website/topic/3369/

Video_Collector wrote:

There was another Ep1 bootleg at the same time as the Z version was out. It was called the AB version.

TPM:AB added to the first post.  Do you remember any context how you found about about this version?  search engines are blanking even when looking through that specific time frame.  'AB' doesn't help narrow down the query.

Aluminum Falcon wrote:

The AB looks obviously inferior to the Z, but still it would be nice if it were preserved.

Anyway, after preserving some TPM boots, are we going to start looking more intensely for AOTC bootlegs to preserve?

All these Theater Performances are inferior in more ways then one.  But the 'AB' seems to have more left frame then the 'Z' so it's not completely inferior in context.  As I poke through these it's also interesting to see where projectionist mark up these pictures.  Only with multiple versions can you trend actions they took.  For instance certain reel changes might have been hard to spot so multiple projectionists might have amended the hard to see ones.  Even some of TPM have marked up frames.  Do projectionists typically preview so they know when the reel changes are coming up or is the 20 minute rule, fairly typical?  Seems odd to take a pencil to a print which is days old.

Yes it's nice to be able to review these recordings, but figuring out how they differ and what's significant about them is what's important.

There's no start/stop looking.  It's just whatever comes into our focus.  Periodically, I just pop in a movie title into a search engine with some other terms hoping to find someone talking about their memories.  When time can be found plan on starting to poke more into old/relic/abandoned SW forums.  Anyone can do this.

This recent Ex-Colorado person, also was a cassette recorder type, and at one point had a tape of his Star Wars experience.  Complete with his childhood exclamation: "That's not fair!" when the Star Destroyer rolled in over head.

"Puggo Strikes Back - '6fps and lovin' it"

Is this alternative stereo track going to be an authentic "behind the projector" audio capture!  Complete with Puggo eating popcorn sound enhancements?

Do you have "The ABC Saturday Sneak Peek and Fun Fit Test".  It was the preview show for the season the Droids and Ewok started.  R2 and 3po appear throughout the show.  (it's on one of the SW Rarities discs, can send it to someone)

Sluggo wrote:  Oh yeah, the 'Z' version!  I used to have this, but I tossed it

Do you remember how you came across it?  VHS/VCD?  Shortly after the movie's release or trade some time later.  Have been attempting to get a general sense with how these releases spread.  The PT ones all seemed to have gone viral digitally so they were everywhere almost immediately.

Video_Collector wrote:

have you contacted these people to see if they still have them?

I attempt to contact these people.  Should start editing the posts to make everyone aware if contact was made or not.  (I don't facebook, so if people can track them down there, that's an avenue I haven't ventured)

This recent ESB/RotJ guy has written back.  Most of the others I haven't found a solid contact or they are ignoring my e-mails or i'm caught in spam filters.  The ESB/RotJ guy took a look at the screen captures, and it's been a long time and he's unsure if they were different sources or could be the same as yours.  He was a kid and the memory wanders.  The solid info though is he's from Colorado, and he guesses his parents or family friends went to a Sci-Fi convention in the early 80s and that's how he was able to watch them.  Generally ask these people to remember anything they can, never know what they might remember which is relevant.  and when he goes home again, he'll see if the tapes still exists.

Future historians will thank him for it.

Or gloss over it entirely when the fan produced high res scan happens.  But I appreciate the sentiment.  "Uncertain" the history "Is".

This is more 'food for thought' then any concrete change.  Treadwell lent me some VHS tapes to digitize, and in a program called 'American Journal' on the special editions, there's a screen shot where they wipe a slightly different Luke, in then out:

I'm guessing this was more for show.  "Hey look what we can do" then an actual change, but it's something to consider.

a lead on ESB and RotJ boots:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JYzaf6g-iYUJ:www.deep-focus.com/dfweblog/2006/12/grindhouse_hype_begins_in_earn.html+%22return+of+the+jedi%22+bootleg+pan+scan&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=1

It took me a while to figure out that the movie theater screen had a different shape from the TV screen. I had bootleg copies of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi at one point, and they were both widescreen. (Well, the camcorder had been pointed at the screen in such a way that you saw more of the picture than you would in a pan-and-scan transfer.) So I was starting to realize something was up.

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Contacted: Location: Colorado.  Was a kid last time he watched the boots, so after reviewing the screen cap guides, they could be similar to what he saw.  Also had as a kid taken a tape recorder into SW, so there used to be a cassette of him saying "That's not fair!" when the Star Destroyers came in overhead.

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TPM foreign lead:

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/archive/index.php/t-14122.html

Star Wars - Episode 1: The Phantom Menace (Bootleg w/ Foreign Subtitles)

Lightsabers have been shown in several spots in the movies to be able to cut through anything.

So why does Luke go all the way up to the belly of the Snow walker when he could have just as easily cut through a thin point on the walker foot, the curved ankle hinge or lateral strut: (or whatever they're called)

Luke had several seconds while the foot was planted before it began the next step.

(insert blow up Yavin IV response)

Thanks for digging the scripts out. 

Might be a dumb question, Does the program figure out those various pulldown sections or is that something the user needs to figure out through tests?  Asking because considering blending two VCR captures of a tape, and if someone were to attempt something similar to this script, then those different captured parts would make for IVTC challenges.

Thanks for the links... There's more then I remember from many, many years ago.  Was considering having a subtitle stream on a theater performance tape... If there's time.

So what does everyone know about these Kansas subterranean vaults where films were/are stored?  http://savestarwars.com/filmpreservation.html & http://www.shavenwookie.com/orhp/se/#RESTORE mention them, but the descriptions are vague and brief.

Guessing but this Stanley H. Durwood Film Vault in the Central Library must be close to the storage facilities.  Why convert a bank vault into a movie theater!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kclibrary/2649496689/in/set-72157606830379141/

Seems there is an episode of the History Channel's Modern Marvels which goes into the film vaults.

http://www.undergroundvaults.com/index.php/news/history-channel-to-film-underground/

Here seems to be the transcript of the 'Modern Marvels' 'Library of Congress' episode:

Modern Marvels - The Real National Treasure

HISTP

Aired on Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 (6/19/2010) at 10:00 AM

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/modern_marvels-%28the_real_national_treasure%29/5916/HISTP/Saturday_June_19_2010/236940/

00:35:31    75 miles from Capitol Hill in Culpeper, Virginia, the Library of Congress' newly completed Packard Campus for Audio-Visual Conservation sits half above ground and half below.
00:35:46    Built partially within a former bomb shelter, the building was designed to protect its contents from any catastrophic event.
00:35:55    And those contents happen to include the most valuable motion picture artifacts in the world, including 140,000 reels of original nitrate camera negatives and prints from America's first 60 years of moviemaking.,, >> LUKOW: We're standing in the Library of Congress' nitrate film vaults.
00:36:18    50 of those vaults right behind me here, another 74 on the other side of those doors at the end of the hallway.
00:36:25    124 vaults altogether.
00:36:28    Up until about 1951, all theatrical motion pictures that were shown in this country, week in and week out that your parents or your grandparents went to, were actually shot on nitrate film stock.
00:36:40    We have the original camera negative of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and all the Frank Capra films.
00:36:46    And when I say "original camera negative," that means the film that was in the carara when Frank Capra had Jimmy Stewart standing right in front of it.
00:36:56    So that's, that's typical of what we have here.

00:36:59    >> NARRATOR: Nitrate film stock is highly flammable.
00:37:02    If a reel starts burning, not even immersing it in water will extinguish the flames because when nitrate burns, it creates its own oxygen.
00:37:12    No expense was spared in making the nitrate vaults fireproof.,, Should a nitrate fire ever start in a film canister, it would be contained to one fireproof shelf.
00:37:27    Sprinklers angled from above would cascade water in front of the shelves to prevent the fire,, from spreading outward.
00:37:36    The Packard Campus is the new home of the most precious film negatives and elements donated to the library by most of Hollywood's major studios.
00:37:48    Because the vault areas are kept at a constant temperature of 39 degrees Fahrenheit and humidity of 30%, even in the warmest months film specialists are dressed for winter.
00:38:00    There are no complaints, considering their everyday access to moviemaking's,, greatest treasures-- some famous and some relatively unknown.

And here's a passage about the preservation and return to the public domain of some works:

00:43:34    4 41hs) - The Real ,,,, >> NARRATOR: We now return to,, "The Library of Congress" onModern Marvels.
00:44:55    In every department of the,, Library of Congress, specialists are scanning the library's greatest treasures to make them available online.
00:45:04    Many of the newer items are older analog videotapes which need to be duplicated into digital formats.
00:45:13    >> JAMES SNYDER: We're doing one particular period in the history of CBS News, their archive, which is 1974 to 1985.
00:45:20    And just in that 11 years, we're talking 800,000 cassettes of one type: the three-quarter- inch cassette type.,, >> NARRATOR: The biggest challenge of being able to make digital copies of videotapes is to have working machines to play them all back.
00:45:38    For that reason, Culpeper has become one of the largest collectors of working video and audio machines in the world.,,,, When the appreciation of art forms is machine-dependent, it's critical to make sure at least one appropriate machine is able to make a transfer to new digital formats.
00:45:59    Packard engineers scour used equipment houses and even garage sales for spare parts to keep outdated machines working.

Anyone got any links to good websites which have lists of SW bloopers/gaffs/errors/etc.?

thanks in advance

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3po conducts the Boston Pops - R2's special solo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyFUAT7cazA

(there's a second part to this where Williams conducts, and it's very off.)