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I volunteered some information, then some user slags me off for not being fast or easy enough.  Yet I posted 12 minutes after the initial request and they took 2 phucking days.  Plus they reused the search results I provided, but did not use the search query to find more relevant ones.  Staying stupid and accusing me of being unhelpful, that's my b*tch of the day.  asshat.

Ahhh maybe i'll turn this thread into a 'Destroying the Magic' thread.  Just read this from a semi-recent issue of Cinefex.  (Issue 121 pg.66 article on Phil Tippett)

After the cultural phenomenon that was Star Wars, there was intense interest by the mainstream media of the making of The Empire Strikes Back.  No less a news luminary than Walter Cronkite toured ILM to document the behind the scenes visual effect effort for broadcast on an episode of his television series, The Twentieth Century.  Tippett and Ken Ralston succumbed to the mischievous impulses and their natures when they were asked to do a sample tauntaun setup for Cronkite and his film crew.  "We set up a tauntaun shot," Ralston recalled, "except, just for fun, we set it up in a completely fake way with a bunch of surface gauges and rulers stuck on them - all kinds of crazy things.  During the demonstration, we adjusted things and acted very serious, as if we were animating this character using all this 'high-tech' stuff.  It was a complete joke; and when I look back on it, it may not have been a smart move to do that with Walter Cronkite - but it was fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCtOSczAYsk&feature=player_embedded

Skip to ~2:30

"You're ruining my fantasies" -Walter Cronkite

Dolt how could I forget playing ESB on the Atari.  Went to friends homes many a day to watch Walkers change colors.

TV's Frink wrote:

toho-scope said:

hate

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You watch your tone.  none is a well-tolerated member.

;-)

Fixed.  hater's gonna hate.

*deal with it*.gif

Only really played the original arcade game, in the arcade and on the glorious Apple IIe.  But have watch some of the games as speed run recordings.  Like seeing how they twist the settings and contort the characters to fit game play.

hahaha it's got a pseudo TSA check point: (via: boingboing.net)

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/05/the_normalizati.html

TSA-style security is now so normal that it's part of a Disney ride:

The second room of the queue is now a security check area, similar to a TSA checkpoint. The two G-series droids are still there, G2-9T scanning luggage and G2-4T scanning passengers. For those attraction junkies, you'll remember that the G-series droids are so named because in the original Disneyland Park version of the ride, they were created by removing the "skins" from two of the goose animatronics from the soon-to-close America Sings attraction (Goose = "G" series). While we won't tell you why, you'll enjoy paying a lot of attention to what the scans of the luggage show is inside. When it's your turn to go through the passenger scan (a thermal body scan), you may be verbally accosted by a security droid. Also, keep an eye out in the queue for an earlier version of RX-24 ("Captain Rex") from the original Star Tours; he's labeled "defective" and has some familiar dialogue.

This is the new Star Tours ride at Walt Disney World in Orlando.

bootleg star wars

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11673285

Let's say you wanted to go outside and watch Moth3r's Pre-ANH bootleg.  What would you all recommend equipment wise?  Long life battery laptop, computer projection device, etc.

doubleofive wrote: I don't even think they'll be a rapture like they describe anyway.

You all have seen Adywan's SW edit, Alderaan meet it's rapture.  Raptures don't come from G-ds they come from Empires.  Which leads back to Frick's post.

doubleofive, you should send your research over to these folks: (via tf.n)

http://www.tampabay.com/features/popculture/like-yoda-talk-on-may-21-you-must/1170663

at least post it in the comments, see if you can get on Daniel Wallace's radar.

It's almost too perfect.  Most of the team attempting to save forums.starwars.com have never seen the movies.

James Earl Jones.  and David Prowse.  and Bob Anderson.  and Ralph McQuarrie created the concept.  and Brian Muir sculpted the helmet.  and Bermans Nathans and John Mollo completed the costume.  and Sebastian Shaw.

Just occurred to me that this is probably where my fascination with how the film were made started.  Not exactly sure when it happened so it wasn't a eureka moment, more of a, hey there's a real world story behind this fantasy/sci-fi/space/opera/movie/film/whatchamacallit and maybe that's more interesting then the film/story.  Probably occurred after RotJ, with the story wrapped up for the time being the only SW fix was non-story information.  Maybe also around the time of the VHS cereal release of the Making of started my descent into cut scene fascination.  Might just be a growing up thing.

Anyone else?

Here are some of the sample posts:

http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions/post/368001/#TopicPost368001

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions/post/475405/#TopicPost475405

http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions/post/478820/#TopicPost478820

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions/post/480085/#TopicPost480085

http://www2.originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions/post/480414/#TopicPost480414

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions/post/481152/#TopicPost481152

(google: site:originaltrilogy.com samples "dark_jedi" "original trilogy theatrical" sendspace)

"It has a great father.  A great hopeless situation warrior."

*tear*  beautiful, sooo...

"Is that baby on the hoof"

eeee, say what.

god bless the people who read this, they really must not understand what they were saying to get through this or be the best actors in the world.  or able to switch off all cognitive abilities.

"he can't of"

"I think the pudding, that the Prime Minister"

 

"WEST"

Ahhh this is wonderful.  It really feeds off of how serious the movie, once thought they might be.  Grand Dramedy.  It's like watch tv Godzilla dubbed movies in the early 80s but twisted and eeev ...well not evil... something more elusive.

Almost want to fan-edit out all the establishing shots and action sequences.  Get back to the dialog damn it!

Full Review:  http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/The_Anatomy_of_Star_Wars_Class_Reviewed_138288.asp

At the start of the two days Gary Kurtz stated that he didn't want to spend time debating the prequels or what he thinks of Lucas the filmmaker now. Much like the Rinzler Star Wars book he wanted to explain the whole process of how the film was made from its inception, through to it’s release and success and up to the changes in the special editions.

doubleofive write: I read that the y-wing models they used are 80% the video game model! Which game came out around 1995?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_video_games

X-Wing (93), TIE Fighter (94) for computer models.

Rebel Assault II (95) for the blue screen video work.

skyjedi2005 wrote: So the Special Edition had to be in the plans for some time to coincide with the lead up to the prequels as well as free r&d paid for by fox.

LFL was also cannibalizing tech from the video game division who started doing blue screen video work, which was similar to the set replacement work taking place in the Young Indy series.

Also might be worth noting how Lucasfilm Magazine became Star Wars Insider in this run up to the SE time period.

Cinefex 65 has an interview with GL and the issue is dedicated to ILM : http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/issue65.html

Cinefex 69 has SWSE coverage : http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/issue69.html

If you know someone who used to moderate at forums.starwars.com please PM contact info.  Would like to verify some of the forum features and learn what else is worth adding to the wish list.  thanks.

rmclain73 wrote: That is where I downloaded it from, and all of the PARs.  However, it came up with RAR 9 incomplete.  There is no PAR for that one.  All I got was a MDS file that was 0k in size.  Maybe I am doing something wrong, but could not get it to work.

You'll have to explain a bit more about your procedures.  The PARs should work on all the files, not sure what you mean by "RAR 9 incomplete, there is no PAR for that one."  If your news provider doesn't have great retention, then maybe the downloaded RARs/PARs are not complete enough to regenerate the files.  If this is the case, the PAR program will tell you how many blocks you are missing.  What PAR program are you using?  Also have you tried redownloading the segments (9) which are very incomplete?  Also check tehparadox version, should be the same RARs.

If anyone reading would like to help out preserving forums.starwars.com, please visit the ArchiveTeam.org irc chat room for this project. #archivestrikesback irc.efnet.org

Especially if your a Linux user (there's a script for coordinating downloads) with grep 2.6.2, bandwidth to spare and multiple GBs of harddrive space to save thousands of 4k-12k .html files.

If you don't fill the above criteria (like myself) but can wget, stop on by.

thanks

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http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/courant/access/14376624.html?dids=14376624:14376624&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jan+31%2C+1997&author=MARY+K.+FEENEY%3B+Courant+Staff+Writer&pub=Hartford+Courant&desc=STAR+WARS+GEORGE+LUCAS+STRIKES+BACK+CREATOR+%60IMPROVES%27+HIS+MASTERPIECE&pqatl=google

"You can argue till you're blue in the face about this," said film historian Leonard Maltin. "There are many film buffs, including me, who say once the movie has been set, leave it alone, don't confuse us with different versions.

doubleofive wrote: Right now I'm making a timeline of when they started things, when things were announced, what ILM and Lucas were working on besides the SE (dates of Lucas writing TPM seems to overlap with work on the SE). I'm using the Google archive to find articles giving general dates as to when things were announced. I can't find an official timeframe of the prequels being announced, just rumors, then it being fact.

A video disc release, and the IMAX are things i've noticed going through the newspapers.  The SE and PT all seem part of the same conversation.  Here we go:

A Variety article from 1993 October 3rd or 2nd is the announcement of the Prequels:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F36085ED70AE57B&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

OK, ``Star Wars'' fans. You can stop holding your breath. George Lucas has made it official.The lead story on the front page of Variety this week, under the headline ``The Force Is With Him,'' says Lucas is back on track with the next ``Star Wars'' trilogy.In case you've forgotten, Lucas made ``Star Wars,'' ``The Empire Strikes Back'' and...

I like that a lot of the information on Wikipedia is people quoting "Secret History". Nice.

Would be better if it went to the original source material.  With everyone quoting one book/person, it only takes a little slip up to convince many people that the rest of the book is nonsense, even if it is truthful everywhere else.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/entertainment/1997/01/02/1997-01-02_a__star_wars__is_reborn__enh.html

"It's the same movie, just enhanced bigger and better."

*omit*

The changes, Sherak insists, are subtle but still "amazing stuff."

Snarky Jedi SE review:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XqYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HS4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5395,8602871&dq=digital+star+wars&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9gYiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FaYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6963,3787322&dq=digital+star+wars&hl=en

'Star Wars' looks different as trilogy returns

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/10881311.html?dids=10881311:10881311&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jan+19%2C+1997&author=Mark+Caro%2C+Tribune+Staff+Writer.&pub=Chicago+Tribune&desc=IS+GEORGE+LUCAS+TAMPERING+WITH+HISTORY%3F&pqatl=google

IS GEORGE LUCAS TAMPERING WITH HISTORY?

....paywalled unfortunately....

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/03/business/the-old-star-wars-gets-some-new-looks.html

Two decades' worth of dust has been brushed off the film and the static has been removed from the soundtrack. These changes have been welcomed by fans and film historians, unlike the four and a half minutes of new special effects. The changes to the film have some cheering, but purists wonder whether technology should be used to alter the classic.

''I'm a little bit leery about the insertion of new creatures into the film,'' said Vivian Sobchack, professor of critical studies of film at the University of California at Los Angeles.

*omit*

''In Star Wars, there are basically four different movies now -- great and bad old effects, and great and bad new effects,'' said Edward D. Sullivan, a freelance writer who previewed Star Wars.

*omit*

Steve Williams, visual effects supervisor and the animator on the new Jabba-Han Solo scene, put the changes in the film into perspective. ''George is just flexing his muscles in this one,'' he said, explaining that this was an experiment before the real work begins on the prequels to the Star Wars saga.

That might be something to track down, when did the public first latch onto the 'Han shot first' thing.  Those above are quotes of people remarking on the changes and how that affects the as seen in '77 film.  But the 4.5 minutes are generally commented as being 'cosmetic'.

Going with " 'star wars' & digital' " some stuff pre-97.

Seems there was a Nov. 24, 1994 press release of the upcoming SEs, here's one of the articles from that:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FrIyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PvEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6505,1641009&dq=digital+star+wars&hl=en

"The original release of 'Star Wars' preceded the introduction of our THX sound system in theaters.  I wanted everyone to re-experience the film with the added benefits of today's motion picture sound advances"

Also around this time another laserdisc version was coming out:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lVxVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mz4NAAAAIBAJ&pg=3219,4413858&dq=digital+star+wars&hl=en

Excerpt:

Q. Why this latest video release?

A. I guess it's me finally tring to get things to be right.  When 'Star Wars' was first released on video, it was in the first pioneering days of video releases.  I've always wanted to improve the quality.  Through my THX group, we've been working on quality control systems.  I wanted to move it into VHS and tape, and this is my chance to do that.

Q. Will you ever be satisfied with the quality?

A. Probably not. We'll always be pushing for a higher-resolution picture and better quality and better quality video sets.  Hopefully, the quality in the home will be as good as the quality in the theater.

Q. Is anything added to the film itself?

A. the film is the same, the old version.  I'm working on a new version to be released theatrically on the 20th anniversary.  It's called Special Edition, and it will have themes that I couldn't get into the film because of time and money constraints.  Also improvements in the special effects; those things have bugged me over the years, and I wanted to get it right.

*omitted*

The sequels are something I haven't really written.

1995 NYTimes article on digital and film:  (not sure if you are keeping track of when details emerge of the new scenes)

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/25/business/digital-studios-it-s-economy-stupid-george-lucas-sees-technology-wondrous-tool.html

One of the first full uses of the new technologies may be the new "Star Wars" trilogy Mr. Lucas is producing, as well as a special edition of the original trilogy of films.

In the special edition, Mr. Lucas said, he will resolve some long-standing irritations by using today's superior technology to produce scenes as he had originally envisioned them. For instance, when Luke Skywalker and his friends enter the desert city of Mos Eisley, the vistas will be far broader and the streets more detailed.

mMathab has been pulling out articles from the Google archives related to SW and here's a great one he's found on this subject:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=OacaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DC8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6425,8183100&dq=recover-12-copies-that&hl=en

(had started typing it in, so here's part fo the text.  typos are mine)

The digital remastering will be finished next month after almost three years of work, at a cost of $30 million.  The re-editing process has been laborious.  The negatives were badly damaged after 20 years of wear and tear, and the Twenthieth Century Fox had to mount an international hunt to recover 12 copies that had never been returned from cinemas.

 

Luckily George Lucas found an unused "protection copy" in his basement, and editors at his California special effect laboratory - Industrial Light and Magic, which devised tricks for 'Jurassic Park' - cut and spliced this and some of the negatives to create a clean master version.

 

Four people  were charged with finding every piece of unused original footage from 'Star Wars,' 'The Empire Strikes back' and 'Return of the Jedi'.