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#502180
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Hypothetical Question.
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I still have a lot of respect for George and don't bear him any ill will as a human being, but man his stance on the originals makes no sense.

More and more from what's out there of George's statements, I think he might feel that if he were to release 'anything' as it once was, would be a cop out to his desire to continually push the medium he's working in.  Every step of the way he's thought about some other technology or technological development to allow him to be more expressive but also cut costs.  He may pass the film preservation he's been a champion of to after his passing.  While he's alive, he's going to push what he can fund.

(yeah this doesn't explain the 2006 set)

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#502041
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Sources on the Special Edition
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Cinefex 69 is in Google book scans but because the issues are online purchasable from the official site mentioned beofre, the returned results are pointless.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RWcqAQAAIAAJ&q=Star+Wars+Trilogy:+Everything+Old+Is+New+Again&dq=Star+Wars+Trilogy:+Everything+Old+Is+New+Again&hl=en&ei=uBbdTffmE8PM0AHzn9TwDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CFIQ6AEwAA

 

but searching through google book scans will find more information.

For example: "Special Effects: still in search of wonder" by Michele Pierson

Chapter 3 is "The Wonder Years and Beyond - 1989-1995"

http://books.google.com/books?id=PEzj_ygIyk8C&pg=PA94&dq=%22star+wars%22+%22special+edition%22&hl=en&ei=OBfdTYH3O-e70QH_pc3aDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22star%20wars%22%20%22special%20edition%22&f=false

 

"George Lucas Interview" by GL & Sally Kline

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2P7pwHeZSkC&pg=PA193&dq=%22star+wars%22+%22special+edition%22&hl=en&ei=lRjdTZDMG8bi0QH-39TODw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBDgU#v=onepage&q=%22star%20wars%22%20%22special%20edition%22&f=false

 

Throwing odd stats, names, terms could find great things.  If you've got some, don't mind poking/search around.  Just takes time wading through the common, to find one sentence which wasn't written elsewhere.

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#502023
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'Raiding The Lost Ark' - a filmumentary. (Released)
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nerfherders anonymous was a site which keeped track of references to SW and other Lucasfilm projects, there's also a section about 'reverse references' or influences.  the Indy films are listed at the bottom:

http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.com/2001/07/reversereferences.html

Some are vague, others more specific.  For example:

For Whom the Bell Tolls (1943) - (Dir: Sam Wood) Even their leather jackets were similar (though Indy's without the wool collar).

 

imdb.com has their 'Connection' page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/movieconnections

Which lists tv programs/movies which reference Indy, in this case.

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#502020
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Once upon a time on MySpleen (Now with OPEN REGISTRATION)
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dark_jedi wrote: what is the problem?

There's an internal debate happening with the site owners. Don't think we'll get honest feedback on that.

What we can do is show them the value of a SW category by having people use those torrents.  Seeding old ones, offering up new ones, and bringing in people who become valuable members of the site or maintain existing members.

Problem with SW is much of the interest is in the actual movies.  If this community makes 3 improvements in preservations and 2-3 fan edits of note a year, that's not much content for an active category.

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#501694
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Treadwell Collection
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skyjedi2005 wrote: They had an English version of that clip, only not on the vhs but as a commercial i can clearly remember this in 1995 when i went out and bought the faces pan and scan tapes.

Would make sense, and you can see in the first RotJ pic above, how the original english was there and they rolled out the blue german text over it.

I wonder where None got the Imax footage from

I've been searching through old forums for people mentioning old recordings/tapes.  Then asking them if I can digitize them and in return give them a copy.  This thread is about TREADWELL's collection.  He was active in the Special Edition era trading tapes with several other collectors.  The specific IMAX program:

Turner Entertainment Report Hollywood - IMAX/"Special Effects" (pkg) Produced by: Linda Mour

Is an in house production copy, with title placard.  In two versions, with and without voice over.  So someone in the industry was a SW fan and put together these segments and that recording made the tape trading rounds.

I wish the other clips they redid for star wars in 70mm surfaced, like the falcons escape to hyperspace.

Would be nice to see these things again.  The SW clips in this IMAX news segment are the Tantive capture, some behind the scenes of the SE Stormtrooper/dewback sequence, R2 in an archive space with models and two set ups of the Falcon escape.  (blue screen and light panels) One from a distance seeing all the gear/tech and a close up zoom.

Not sure why but i think they redid  not just the opening stardestroyer flyover but the starfield as well for this, then did not use it again in 1997.

Yeah it's a new shot from the ground up.  May have reused the models but that's about it.

The disc is on a.b.sw, anyone can take it an put it everywhere.

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#501803
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The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie. Or is it?
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Speciesism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

Speciesism is the assigning of different values or rights to beings on the basis of their species membership. The term was created by British psychologist Richard D. Ryder in 1973 to denote a prejudice against non-humans based on physical differences that are given moral value[1] However, it can also refer to misanthropy, a hatred of all humans because they are human. "I use the word 'speciesism'," he wrote in 1975, "to describe the widespread discrimination that is practised by man against other species ... Speciesism is discrimination, and like all discrimination it overlooks or underestimates the similarities between the discriminator and those discriminated against." 

 

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#501763
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Sources on the Special Edition
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skyjedi2005 wrote:

I think there was a work in progress cgi x-wing on the John Knoll books cdrom meant for when they started discussion early in the nineties the special edition. 

I think it was called 365 days or something, just a lol quality animated computer model i think.  Not sure if its the same as the one none suggested but probably it is.

Not what I was suggesting good remembering.  Have the book, will dig it out.

3 pages here's the text:

pg. 114

A New Hope Special Edition

From 1993 to 1994, I (John Knoll) experimented with the idea of using off-the-shelf software to create computer-generated (CG) final shots.  I made an X-wing CG model and some TIE fighter models,and created a four-second-long dogfight.  It was a fun shot but it was also a technology test: Can one do stuff like this with off-the-shelf software?  I thought it came out pretty well and eventually showed it to George.  I really didn't know him all that well then, and he just said, "Yeah. Hmm," and that was the end of that.

At te time, I had some strong opinions about how the ILM computer graphics department should operate.,  It had been built up around the idea of doing really complex creature work.  Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991) and Jurassic Park (1993) had been the big landmark films that we were famous for - but we didn't have any good way of doing some of the things that inexpensive commercial systems could do.  We just weren't geared toward creating simpler hard-surface shots (vehicles, metal textures, etcetera) since we didn't have trained hard-surface modelers.  Everything went through the creature pipeline instead, which was great for doing these really complex things that nobody else could do, but we couldn't compete when creating simpler objects.  Consequently, the numbers we bid for hard-surface CG shots were astronomical (like all visual effects houses, ILM made bids for films; depending on a variety of factors, we then either get the assignment or not).

When we were starting up on the Special Edition of Star Wars, visual effects producer Tom Kennedy already had pinned to his office wall a whole bunch of space-battle storyboards from A New Hope that George wanted to redo.  So I said, "Tom, I want to take a crack at a couple of these."  He was a little skeptical, and decided to do a parallel test.  We picked two shots that were technically equivalent - I would do one of them my way, and the computer graphics department would do the other one their way.  I spent a little over a day animating mine, another day lighting it, and another day running the renders and putting the composite together.  Meanwhile, the test over in computer graphics went on for about two and a half weeks; they were making slow progress and eventually the plug was pulled. (Top right, my test footage from 1993; middle right, the CG department's attempt; bottom right, a quick preview render for one of the Special Edition's new shots, known as "SB1"' opposite, a grid of Special Edition final frames.)

The next step was to show George.  He was pretty happy with it, so I go the contract. "Okay." he said. "You want all these shots?  They're yours."

pg.115

The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition

I had just finished the final "final" on The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition.  It was a Friday (in January 1997) and I was at ILM's wrap party for A New Hope Special Edition.  There were tents in the courtyard, everyone was having a good time, and I ran into George, who said - and this was exactly six days before we were supposed to ship the last CG film out for Empire - "I have one more shot I want to do for Empire.  But we can talk abut it Monday."

And I said, "No, no - we have to talk about this now!  What is it?"

"After Han's Falcon is parked on the Star Destroyer," he said, "it's not clear that Boba Fett is in the junk, and that's he's following Han.  I think we need one more shot in there to explain what's going on."

So that night I went home and got out my Art of The Empire Strikes Back book and used it as reference for a really quick CG model of Boba Fett's ship, Slave 1.  I paired that with an already constructed CG Millennium Falcon model.

Over the weekend I cobbled together an animatic (a three-dimensional digital storyboard) of Slave 1 clandestinely following the Falcon, and showed it to George on Monday (top right, a wire-frame of BG1 - the "Boba Fett one" shot).  He had a couple of comments on the timing, so we started a revision.  Meanwhile, Rod Woodall had been working, as a prersonal projct, on building a detailed CG model of Slave 1, so I got him to ive me a copy with the textures.  The rest of that Monday we worked on the shot revision, also completing the CG version of Slave 1.  On Tuesday morning, I showed George the revision of the animatic, and he approved it.  The afternoon was spent lighting the shot, and by the end of the evening I was pretty much satisfied.  I spent Wednesday continuing to light and render elements.  Thursday, I put the comp together, and filmed it Thursday night.  We screened the completed version Friday morning , and George gave it the final thumbs-up (bottom right, final frame).  If anything had gone wrong during that weekmk we wouldn't missed the deadline.  (Other sequences were also enhanced in The Empire Strikes Back Special  Edition.  Opposite, Howie Weed in the wampa suit.)

pg.116

Rreturn of the Jedi Special Edition

The Coruscant celebration shot, which appears at the very end of the Special Edition version of Return of the Jedi, was something I really wanted to do.  For a long time there have been talk about the conceptualization of this particular planet, which is one big city.  In fact, Ralph McQuarrie had done paintings of it quite a while back.  Coruscant promised to be really different from anything that had been depicted in Star Wars before.

The final shot was a mixtures of elements.  Some of the Coruscant buildings - three or four - were built as miniatures, and Brian Flora did the matte paintings.  The whole plaza had to be populated with extras, so we did a live-action shoot on the main stage.  I designed the camera movements, and got approval from George.  We used one of our track cameras switched over to a servos, so we could really haul down the track.  We had scaffolding building and put the heavy motion-control dolly track on top of it, about twelve feet off the floor, which meant we had this three-thousand-pound camera just careening down the track - it was a big, scary thing to watch.  By the time we got to the mid-point of the shot, the camera was probably going over fifteen miles per hours.  But that was necessary be cause it was a sixty-foot move that covered a lot of ground.  It was the longest and most complicated shot I did on the three Special Editions; creating and putting all the elements together took about a month.  (Right, final frames; opposite, the scene in Jabba's throne room was also enhanced in the Return of the Jedi Special Edition.)

doubleofive wrote: I have scans of all of those magazines

If someone's got the Cinefex 69, would love to read them.

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#501670
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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skyjedi2005 wrote: It fills me with rage every time these idiots cheer on the destruction of my favorite films and think Lucas is justified.

This is your trial on the way to mythic hero.  Stay Tuned folks.  Does he take the quick and easy path?  Will he strike them down while showing no mercy?  Will he use his aggressive feelings?  Will he let go of his hate?  Or is his beloved Trilogy truly dead.  Stay Tuned, secrets revealed in an empty box which -+You Buy Now+- we'll give you the filled box answer sooooooon.

But seriously, take the informative thoughts you post periodically and combine them into an essay/opinion piece and release it just before blu-ray day.  Print out hundreds of copies and stick them under the windshield wipers of people going to buy the new set.

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#501660
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Treadwell Collection
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From a forthcoming TWC288:  

German THX - Alte Fassung (Old Version/Original) Comparisons

Would seem these came with the German VHS THX release.  Unknown generation loss on this copy but don't look too bad.  [pre-dates Wookiegroomer by a special edition and 10 years?)

(for those documenting pre-SE home video changes, please chime in if these colors and frame recompositions look similar to the laserdisc changes of the same time)  Images are forum scaled in half.

Star Wars :: Kreig Der Sterne

      (there's a one frame red window frame under Chewie in these comparisons, haven't noticed this before.  Might be specific to this video.)

 

Empire Strikes Back :: Das Imperium schlägt zurück

 

Return of the Jedi :: Die Rückkehr der Jedi-Ritter

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#501554
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Outdoor Projection Equipment
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This is nothing new, just collecting some real world details.  For example: (larger scale)

http://www.guerilladrivein.org/2010/01/star-wars-trilogy-jan-15th-600pm.html

(can't find the link, but there was one in brooklyn similar to the car battery story Moth3r link'd too, they set up in an abondoned lot, and showed it on the side of a building.)

Thinking out loud.  Partly I'd like to do a second AN EMPIRE SPIK BOOTLEG, a street recording of a public performance of one of the films.  Maybe the bluu-ray release will bring one.  Or project the movie onto the crowds going to buy the movie.

There's also how do you maintain in the public consciousness that there is a difference between the theater opening day and the newer releases.  The grass roots thing which happens in this forum everyday, but when an event takes place there is the opportunity for press.  If in the few days after the bluu-ray release if the articles contain a sentence or two about some rebel screenings of the original films, that's a way of keeping the idea alive.

If done on bluu-ray day.  Was thinking of using the telecine and having a 30 second pause at the reel change markers.  People might think it was a publicity stunt but then question what they are seeing if they know what the burn marks are.

Like SW this is fantasy at the moment.

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#501547
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Star Wars Video Games - a general discussion thread
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Next generation SW Kinect game:

http://uk.kotaku.com/5794546/rumor-kinect-star-wars-game-lets-you-pod-race-be-a-rancor-monster-and-fight-with-lightsabers

But there may be more to Kinect Star Wars than just lightsaber fights, according to details from a recent survey on the game forwarded to Kotaku. That survey—which was accompanied with storyboards for a planned commercial—touched on unannounced gameplay aspects, including a Pod Racing sequence that can be controlled by steering an imaginary wheel with one's hands.

More amusing than miming control of a Pod Racer is a game that appears to let players control a Rancor monster, stomping things beneath their feet while performing the same motion in front of a Kinect camera.

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#501454
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Lapti Nek History and Intrigue
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Lengthy blog posts of the history of the song and it's various flavors.  With twists and turns more then Lapti's Nek.

http://www.crawdaddy.com/index.php/2011/05/04/lapti-nek-the-star-wars-disco-hit-that-never-was/

Excerpts:

In real life, “Lapti Nek” was sung in Huttese by Lucasfilm sound engineer Annie Arbogast, who wrote the phony alien lyrics herself. Famed Star Wars orchestral composer John Williams penned “Lapti Nek’s” backing outer space funk and arranged the entire song with son Joseph and Hardware Wars director/producer Ernie Fosselius.

In Thailand, however, this “Nek” was apparently one of ’83′s biggest hits.

The 1983 fan Lapti Nek video is awesome.

 

But wait there's more and it gets better.

 

http://www.crawdaddy.com/index.php/2011/05/19/sci-fi-scandal-second-sy-snootles-speaks-claims-lucas-was-keeping-company-with-other-snootles/

Excerpt:

While Internet resources generally suggest that the Michele Gruska “Club Mix” of the song was recorded and released after Lucasfilm lost the master tapes of the Annie Arbogast version actually heard in the film, several behind-the-scenes videos that predate Jedi’s completion (all easily found on YouTube) clearly feature variations of the Gruska recording.

Intellectual curiosity growing by the minute, we tracked Michele Gruska down to see if she could drop some knowledge. Did she ever!

Go read the rest!  phun phun phun.

http://www.crawdaddy.com/index.php/2011/05/19/sci-fi-scandal-second-sy-snootles-speaks-claims-lucas-was-keeping-company-with-other-snootles/

(via io9.com)

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#501417
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Episode I: The Ridiculous Menace (FULL MOVIE IS AVAILABLE TO STREAM, SEE FIRST POST)
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Moving the idea from the General SW thread about Empire.

You've got the scene where Anakin dreams of Padme dying in childbirth.  Replace Padme with Leia making racist/specist statements.  Anakin kills Padme because Leia will possibly be a future racist/specist.

And there's other movies you could pull Carrie Fisher dialog from.  Shampoo was around that time and I think she's got some adult dialog which could be worth pulling from.

...and now I remember that you're only playing with TPM...

nevermind.