Poking through RotJ found glitch frame in the German'07 HD broadcast.
This does NOT appear in the BR or the 2004. Extra special FX for one broadcast only... maybe haven't bothered looking any further.
RotJ 2011 : Boba's demise change
2011 2004
So for those with expert eyes, how does this blow up of Boba look. Is it up res'd, new scan, or did they dust off the suit and new capture all together. The shadow on the extended arm is a little suspect... *EDIT* nevermind, have been looking at a low res version, see how extensive this is now...
*EDIT*
2011 R2 Jump cut fix:
2011 2004 Difference Blending Mode
doubleofive wrote:
My point still stands: There is now an official release that has Lucas' revising himself as you watch it.adywan said:
Well according to the set-up menu of the Blu-Ray it is the archival commentary.
This could be a motif for the set, Lucas is using this material to let everyone know where the deliberate creative decision occur. Previous example:
R2D2 wrote:
Gary Kurtz is talking about white snow / Blue snow right in the first minutes. They intend to have white snow! They even were afraid that any temperature changes would make the white snow blue.
The changes are still rolling in, last 12 hours MF.com people spotted two more. TPM the "Vote Now" chant of the Senate is gone. And RotS some additional Clone Trooper lines.
From one thread: http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars_saga/b10456/30885339/p1
*saying in a scary voice* Stay away from originaltrilogy.com
The OriginalTrilogy.com folks already have a media list they encourage people to contact, and all those media people are just going to pass along the
You can thank the originaltrilogy.com fanboys for that. The angrier and more personal their attacks have been, the less likely Lucas has been to listen.
Here's some more Blu-ray/HDTV comparisons from "Laserschwert" at originaltrilogy.com.
ILM said they completely rescanned TPM and colortimed the whole film. Now people on OT.com and some on MF.com (probably the same people) say the color
But let's be realistic here, if you combined everyone from here, MF.com, OT.com and other forums like blu-ray.com (many of whom are the same people), you are
Now people on OT.com and some on MF.com (probably the same people) say the color timing is the same, all they did was lighten the image and made no changes.
Also FWIW, Adywan has posted this on OT.com regarding those screen caps. It seems that they are fake. There have been comments that there is no digital yoda
Yes, it was noticed by an OT.com'er, who had "humdinger" in his(?) username (hence the name of the glitch). The significance of it wasn't that it was a one-frame
If anything, this just makes me want to support the fan efforts at OT.com and Adywan's Revisited set even more. But I'm getting this set too - especially for the
Yeah and I haven't met one on OT.com or anywhere else. They don't exist or if they do they're a huge minority. Fans wanting the OOT are not a minority, hence
From OT.com: 2004 transfer error also on Blu-Ray. And that shot from TESB shows Vader with a pink saber. P.S: Now, that shot of TPM looks great. Can't wait to
The unhealthy obsession that he and other OT.com members (and I was one of them) have over the release of an original unaltered trilogy is just sad now.
Adywan's bought the Blu-rays and posted a review of the extras on OT.com with some good and bad news. "I'm watching the special features on the Blu-ray
Date Posted: 11:29am Subject: The Official Star Wars Blu-Ray Discussion Thread. There's no way that's true, it would've been all over OT.com by now.
Mixed bag.
Change discussion for the OT happening here:
doubleofive's guide: https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/StarWars2011Changes
DVDActive's previous change pages are being updated: (good for your random friends, but not as complete) - page 4 is the PT
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html
Mothr wrote:
Using an Avisynth script along these lines:
PointResize(1,1) # this basically produces a single pixel by averaging every pixel in the frame
DumpPixelValues("RGB", "(0,0)")Now open the file dumppixelvalue.log in Excel, and manipulate (convert hex to decimal, etc.) to produce your graph. It will look slightly different because the default will be 128, with differences shown as either higher or lower than this mid point.
Thanks, These sound in the same direction:
"Movie Color Palettes"
http://www.bwolfdesign.com/movie-color-palettes/
"Average color for movie playback"
http://processing.org/discourse/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1226878575
Not sure of the applications or systems they're using so might move towards trying in photoshop, automating each frame to 1 px width like the
"Movie Barcode" people: http://moviebarcode.tumblr.com/
Watched ESB and most of AotC and ran off RotJ and watched the Jabba sequence, and there's a tremendous difference between SW/ESB and RotJ. RotJ for the most part completely blacks out. There seems to have been zero to none color tweaks between these files. In SW and ESB bright whites registered and reds pop as different, but with RotJ even those area very rarely peak out. You can see that in this clip.
Boba's demise has been revised:
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/RotJDIF_480-BobaDeath.mp4 (5.1mb)
The 'hit' shot is now zoomed in:
and a explosion added to mask the hit:
then the shot returns to as it was.
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/cool-videos-the-lost-footage-of-barbra-streisand-in-temple-of-doom
So here's the Color Shift pay off in the 2011 AotC.
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/AotCDIF_480-AngryAnakinColor.mp4
Generally the whole movie when DIF'd ends up purpleish. But the Angry Anakin scene confession to Padme gets DIF'd green. Sorry these pics suxx, you can generally see it, the videos a little better. *EDIT* it's actually the after math, and if you like inside jokes this might be it. Anakin's line is "I'm a Jedi, I know i'm better than this."
Normal new recoloring scheme:
Angry Anakin, color tweak.
Back to normal recoloring scheme.
*EDIT*
The whole post Yoda/Dooku sequence has been reorganized.
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/AotCDIF_480-DookuEscape.mp4
Anakin & Obi hurt and Yoda shoulder slump is moved up, and Padme's arrival/Dooku escape pushed back.
Was curious how the color shift in AotC would come found, found this scene recomp and sequence shift: (need to check the DVD, maybe this was done for that, and just didn't make the HD)
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/AotCDIF_480-Shock.mp4
This shot Anakin and Obi have been shifted frame left.
Same lightning just shifted over.
Then the establishing shot of the power couplings has been moved from the middle of the sequence to the end.
Russs's Galactic Trade Federation http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/ (view SE section) has information on the versions which were once out and about.
It would be fantastic if LFL came out with an opinion on fan preservation of their films.
To save LFL money, minimum effort, the old raw scans are a generous release.
TheHutt wrote: I would rather translate these as:
Thanks, makes more sense, was relying on google's mechanical translations.
Any language credit is welcomed! When someone posts another countries version, we'll be able to make a better guess. Would make sense to get someone from the country to complete the translation, then LFL would create the graphics.
Would like to see more language variation talk in the forums. Have a draft of a language thread, should post it. There was a good article around the time of AotC on the crawl language variations, but it's been offlined, and the archived versions have lost the pics...
Clones, Klónok and Klonkrieger
http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/release/promo/news20011102.html (offline)
http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/release/promo/news20011102.html" target="_blank" title="web.archive.org/web/20080116080253/http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/release/promo/news20011102.html">http://web.archive.org/web/20080116080253/http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/release/promo/news20011102.html
adywan wrote: Star Wars Spoofs... YAWWWWN. Just clip after clip. Lame
Hopefully the problem is the clips are not representative of the full range of spoofery? Don't drift into other less humorous areas of reflection on SW as a cultural item?
Do they intro the segments or find common themes? Hosted like a tv clip show?
BIAS WARNING : the poster says this as it has collected 2,500 SW tv/movie acknowledgements and found mention of 5,000+ and was planning to recreate the films using these clips but also include references and reverse references, and would still like to complete this project but after Harmy's comedy version and this official thing has really put a damper on SWIRP:V...
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SWIRP-V/post/399228/#TopicPost399228
sad watching shit load of hours of effort turn to real shit..... waste phuck errrr
dark_jedi wrote: what in the world are you trying to accomplish with this?
Initially, this is being done to spot changes in the recent set. I don't have the visual knowledge of these films as many here do. Never watched them as a kid as we didn't have a VCR or laserdisc. So although i'm interested in the changes, I can't watch and spot, hey that's off. But as everything is digital can approach finding changes from a mechanical perspective. Let the computer figure it out. But right now don't know how to get the computer to spit out the information.
Here's the graph i'd like to get: (no spit takes!)
Taking two sources and 'Difference' blending mode them, returns mostly black screen, so the chart would flat line most of the time, and the spots where a revision has occured will spike the chart. Then just go to that spot in the video and see what's causing the anomaly. That's the identifying part.
The next part is where this could be helpful for people looking to de-evolve the films. As we are hearing AotC has been recolored. If this type of chart could be produced, my guess is the general settings for that color shift could be figured out and then unapplied to the film to take the BR and make it closer to the theatrical release. If 75% of a sequence of scenes has a blue shift of 20% (+/- 5%), that can be dialed back. The re-coloring projects have attempted this visually, this approach is numbers based.
If a full res DIF version is created, could be used as mattes to DeSpecialize things, or to create horrid video art.
doubleofive wrote: Still confused. Looks like the stars are the same, so what we PMed was a German splicing error we hadn't noticed before. THAT makes sense...
Right. Now were the German/foreign language crawls always a different starfield cropping or is this specific to the SE and this thread is still an unanswered question.
Learned the hardway that the German opening shot was updated differently for 2004/HD. This file shows the difference between German HD and BR:
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/SWDIF_480-Test_02-FirstShot.mp4
A US HD broadcast cap is available here showing that this is not a specifc BR change: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/topic/11927/post/535009/#TopicPost535009
The different language crawls seem to be sliced into the film up to the first full screen white out explosion.
^ Yup seems like the German was not changed.
SWHD Cinemax'06 (glitter)
SWBR2011
The opening starfield behind the crawl has been pulled back: (look at star cluster on left side middle)
HD German'07
SWBR2011
Congrats, here's your card:
Tobar wrote: Looks like Bill Hunt is being attacked. Originaltrilogy.com is also mentioned toward the beginning. I'm still trying to figure this out:
Silverwook wrote: I've never even heard of this blog before. Who is this person?
acertainpointofview's blog, part of bigshinyrobot (Swank-mo-tron somewhat), some of prequelappreciationsociety (Lazypadawan), RLM rebuttal writer Jim Raynor are part of the active blogging community that would like to see that Star Wars remains Positive. This is a hugely inaccurate generalization, but that's the general sense I get from them if you see them as related, which they are not. Their interests in SW cross at many points, but like we know from the members of OT.com not everyone can see eye to eye on everything.
*EDIT*
Maybe the remain Positive thing is too severe. It might be more that they don't like seeing negative aspects go unchallenged.
bigmonkey2382 wrote:
Dude, this is the General Star Wars Forum:
doubleofive wrote: So, are we saying this jump cut has been fixed for the Blu-ray?
Yes, R2 no longer rolls back before going forward. As DE had fixed.
Harmy wrote:
So is this just to compare BD vs DVD?
It unfortunately wouldn't be possible to do with GOUT, as it doesn't match to the SE when overlayed (due to some sort of distortion) and the cropping changes from shot to shot (I know because I use the difference filter to match the two sources).
Right now i'm using the BD and HD broadcast sources, to test what I can accomplish, while also finding changes along the way. The variations between GOUT and DVD are another ball of wax, as you point out. They would require a two method approach. Doing it once, straight no cropping, then a second pass to compensate for recropped scenes, compensate, then run again to see if other changes emerge at that point. If there's warpage the results won't be as clean, but hopefully useful.
Having watched 30 minutes (beginning) and quick scanned another 30 minutes (the DS attack), there are few variations between these sources at the 1/4 quality level (480px). It's not ideal, just as much as my sources are not ideal. There's something weird going with the reds and bright white areas. Like all the ceiling lights in the Tantive are registering. Haven't run the full size test.
As Harmy says this is a common tool for aligning segments. For me next step finding a program which can create the frame color analysis timeline is important as it will eliminate (possibly) the watching of this thing. Mechanically finding changes can speed up the process in the future.
*EDIT*
the super shits'n'giggles DIFF release would contain multiple. Theater Performance Recording vs CED or early VHS, later VHS vs LaserDisc, VHS vs GOUT, GOUT vs DVD, HD vs BR. Each at full res, so it'd imply one of those logarithmic spirals:
yeah the resolutions don't equal diminishing values of the diagram... the later releases would be about changes, the earlier releases about quality improvements. Never gonna happen, but might be nice to look at for a short spell.
^ just trying to keep similar information in relevant threads.
R2 among the rocks:
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/SWDIF_480-Test_02-R2rocks.mp4 (35mb)
*EDIT*
DS explosion
http://noneinc.com/SWDIF/SWDIF_EarlyTests/SWDIF_480-Test_02-DSExplosion.mp4 (3.5mb)
Is the top one the BD?
Also *cough* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sce8inx_U2c
Yes, top is BD. Seems like someone's taken a notice of your handy work.
To shorten the reviewing process, looking for something which will analyze the colors and making a simple chart of RGB over the video length, and frames which show an alteration will spike the chart, and then you can go in and watch that. Otherwise i'm just running the movie and watching at 2 times speed, may miss something.
dark_jedi wrote: Can you share how you did the DE?
assuming your mean Darth Editous's fix not these DiffEdits. If so:
the youtube video says:
This new fix is now done entirely with about 10 lines of AviSynth script and one external plugin - the incredibly useful MVTools (version 2).
