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As an observer of the Gonk Wars, that is indeed some of the best dialog.  (and it's not in any of the scripts!)

New version released : ShotList-StarWars-v0.2.01a :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtjXdIjRQo5NdExTNWp4dDdmZXVGUllic29SUS1iaFE&hl=en_US

Completed the updating of the GOUT, 97 and 2004 visual changes.  Added what I know of the 2011 changes.  On the shot change totals, in 97SE it's just under 11% of the shots have some form of modification. 

This does not include color changes, which there is a category for, but it's a little vaguer, so i've done the math with and without these color judgements.  (My estimates are at least 50% of the shots got color adjusted in 97)  Another caveat how this total varies from the previous zombie spreadsheet, as each shot is given a field, wipes count twice (intro and exit wipes happen to different shots) and some categories previously mentioned had multiple occurances not listed.

Right now don't have a good way to get the cumulative totals of changes for the 2004 and later versions.  Have taken the 97SE and added to the 2004, but it's not a great value as it might include a repeat shot.  Need to work out a new ARRAYFORMULA(COUNT(IFERROR(FIND formula which compares one column to the next then adds if true.  Until then the 2004 change total takes the total 2004 and adds it to the 1997, and that jumps to 17%.  True from a certain point of view.  So total changes identified through 2011 is 414, little over 19%.  (this includes repeats)

Working on figuring out the total number of 1977 model shots in the DS attack, and working through how many of those were modified for the SE.

If you've got a link to a website/thread/forum/post/something which has an interesting list.  Change lists, bloopers, audio changes, random trivia, anything of this sort which could be directly linked to a specific shot.

Here is the larger 3D thread, following the ins and outs.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-STAR-WARS-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/topic/10070/

doubleofive wrote: Are you literally going through WG frame-by-frame? Because that's incredible.

Nah more like none's Believe It or Not!  Mostly watching at half speed these four, but pausing at random things or scenes w/ SFX and flitting thru those.  Double checking/filling out the shot list along the way. 

These laser blasts in 2004 look redone.

Not sure, but the Death Star explosion the star field looks reused but in a different location and shifted somewhat.

!And now the best part!

George's 1997 'Executive Producer' credit:

James Earl Jones was given higher billing:

John Williams credit, the 'Original Music' is moved to the first line:

The CAST has been moved before Panavision and Dolby (Visual Audio companies):

James Earl Jones is given another credit in the Cast:

They've added a Special Edition category:

Added INDUSTRIAL LIGHT AND MAGIC category:

Revised spacing of locations: (notice how they returned to the pre-81 rerelease spacing)

The Copyright has been changed from 1977 to 1997 and moved down a few, also added are the Soundtrack and Novelization:

Added some AV credits:

Added the THX credits:

fini

Most of the laser blasts during the DS attack you can see them as being mostly the same, but this one looks enhanced to me.  Can see the old shape, but the new rounded front edge and that it's much thicker may mean this is a 1997 enhancement.

and I think this shot proves it as the double blast has changed it's relation from above to below the X-Wing top wing.

Another 2004 cosmetic change.  During this whole shot, there is a hair above the TIE on the far right.  Also that white blob which shows up for a frame is 2004 gonedalagoo.  Second pic can see the hair better.

Stinky-Dinkins wrote: These aren't being preserved for posterity,

The future generations who are alive after copyright expires on these films will be able to watch any preservation which exists at that time.

A 2004 fix.  For the last 3 or so frames of this shot of Luke, there was an over exposed line thru his head.  Fixed in 2004.  (note: the Wookiegroomer splits are still a frame off for this capture)

Garbage Matte fix.  Assuming 1997.  (WG still off)

Same shot, there's a red/orange ""frame rip"" fixed in 2004. (WG still frame off)

(Note: Wookiegroomer splits fix themselves somewhere in the next 10-20 shots)

2004 change.  There's a large star which gets blinked out in 2004.

1997 recomposite and background shifted two frames:  (Blue/Red Ten's death?)  Ah you've already got a pict.

Another cosmetic 2004 fix.  When Red Leader fires, there's a one frame over exposure line which got fixed.

An AotC quote should make you all feel better!

You want to go home
and rethink your life.

1997 change, the shot of the X-Wing going through the explosion of the TIE Fighter, that shot is extended a few frames.  Those frames were taken out of this shot, this frame is the last of this shot.  You can see how the X-Wing doesn't rotate as much.

*EDIT 1*

(request, title change "Yet Even More Completer Comparison...")

The Humdinger shot, the garbage mattes disappear, not sure if it's 97 or 04.  (The Wookiegroomer splits goes 1 frame off during this sequence, will wait until tomorrow to figure out when this one frame shift fixes itself....)

Sluggo wrote: Is a shot consist of any length of film, starting at one edit and ending at another?

Yup, that's the definition i'm going with.  There are examples of certain shots going to great lengths to be one continuous camera take.  'Timecode' (2000) being a craziest example, 4 camera, one take, the whole movie is one continuous shot/take.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0220100/

The reason i'm approaching this in this matter is to eventually start pulling in other lists.  Maybe at some point setting up a blog where every shot gets a page and people can add their notation/trivia for every shot.  There just seem to be many lists all over the place and having them in a database/spreadsheet might be a way to pull things together and keep track of everything. 

MathUser wrote: I mean Sequel Trilogy. I don't mean original Trilogy because the original Trilogy means the unaltered Trilogy and I intended for the changes to be in the altered Trilogy.

If you don't mind, could you explain where you've learned about this term, what types of fans use it according to you and where are these people conversing? 

Most of us here have been in a part of SW culture for 20-30 years, and we admittingly are not part of the newer generations, which I gather you are a part of.  But we've never come across this phrase.  And it sound completely illogical, as you have a prequel and a sequel but nothing but a non-existant film which sets those two up.  It's not unbelievable, just a hey that's so weird only reality could invent it, kind of thing

During the DS attack, Luke goes in a little too close and there's an explosion haze which Luke emerges from.  (Luke pull up!)  This shot seems to be shifted a few frames as Luke doesn't match.  The original is much more zoomed in at the beginning of the shot.

*EDIT 1*

Here's a 2004 fix.  There was a vertical line on the right stormtrooper which existed through the whole shot.

My guess is either MathUser is trying to spark something.  Or they are young and were taught about the Wars from someone who grew up during the last three movies.  'Sequel Trilogy' in the context of Star Wars shows a lack of understanding the history.  But if you hadn't thought about it, and all you remember hearing was Prequel Trilogy, then you might assume Sequel Trilogy.  Need to see a few more posts to make a judgement.

MathUser if you want people to consider your idea, change the thread title to 'Petition for digital replacement of Yoda in Original Trilogy'  that should gather some choice words from various members around here.

I don't think 'sequel trilogy' is used in this way over at TF.n.  Did a search through their forums and getting almost 5k hits, but the top 10 are all talking about Episode 7-9.

Stinky-Dinkins wrote: So, this will never be released to the general public?

If GL tomorrow says all preservations do not violate his copyright, then we would await what MVerta says next.  The same issue applies to the date when the period of copyright protection ends for these movies, on that date, anyone who is sitting on a project like this has the opportunity to come forward.

In the mean time, this an opportunity to listen to someone going through the same process other people on this forum will probably also attempt.

There isn't a sequel trilogy.  A sequel duology, if we're talking only movies.  But maybe you want to include the Holiday Special then sure, i'll buy into your sequel trilogy concept.

Here is a category to consider.  Lower Frame Brightness Before Explosion.  On the mthr, GOUT and some of the 97SE, the frame before an explosion the bottom frame goes bright.   Think i've seen some of these fixed in the 2004.  (but didn't keep track, as i've just recently put the pieces together)  I guess generally when there is a full white frame, film can't suppress the bleed over? 

And is a general clause mentioning how frame jitter was removed, notated somewhere?  (this only occurred since the 2004 as it was the first all digital transfer?) 

Additional note on the Luke/Leia rope swing background matte.  The change removed all the color from the drawbridge controls on the left side.  (a blue and red dot)

In the escape from the DS sequence.  The fake shake's, for Han (in gunner cockpit) seems to be a frame off.  Think this is a 1997 change.  Same thing happens for the Luke one in the next shot.

The first sequence of General Dodonna showing off the Death Star plans is shifted 8-9 frames.  Watch Leia on right.  Can also see in the posted picture how Dodonna is turned differently: http://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/StarWarsSpecialEditionChangesHD?gsessionid=6HhIuXJdrn8mS-hPu22h0g#5568042904743562610

More 97 modified wipes.  Post Rebel Death Star briefing, and the next wipe after seeing what Tarkin and Vader are up to:

Tobar wrote: you'll sometimes hear the term padawan or Darth Maul mentioned.

Padawan has been heard from C.S.I. to Angel to Venture Bros and other cartoons.  Palpatine is also referenced.  The cartoon, Fanboy and Chum Chum, the janitor's named Poopatine.  A whole episode full of SW references.  The double edge lightsaber and parts of the Maul/QuiGon fight are referenced.  And some positive Jar-Jar references are appearing.  (Big Bang Theory & Simpsons)  Sith is tossed around a bit.  Amidala clothing/appearance from TPM is referenced.

There is a forum for discussion of the existing and future/past petitions:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Sites-and-Publications-Supporting-the-Petition/forum/3/

doubleofive, order thing with the pics.  the Gantry officer shot which was shortened to remove the blaster hit, occurs after the elevator change before the 3po wipe change.

Today's slogging through the movie brings us the following:

1997 change: Detention center blaster fire.  They've added a new core to the original blast, and the laser has been redone in this shot.  the angle is changed.  (the shot before the laser is noticably 'weaker' (more transparent) and I would conjecture, not redone)

As with the last one, this is a shot which was extended to fill in the frames left vacant by the removal of the Imperial Officer getting hit.  They probably were working from a blank SFX canvas so they've redone the laser.

This Hero Blaster laser fire looks improved in 1997.  It's wider and the right pointy end is unusual.

1997 wipe redone.  Detention Leia to Vader

2004 change.  When Leia shoots the garbage grate, there's a new animation, the grate deforms and the blasts vary, then leaves behind new melted edges.

start the garbage compactor after I mow the lawn...

Visual representation of the change log:

http://fd.noneinc.com/shot_spreadsheets/early/ShotList-StarWars-v0.3.00.jpg

http://fd.noneinc.com/shot_spreadsheets/early/ShotList-ESB-v0.3.00.jpg

Star Wars ................... Empire Strikes Back ......... Return of the Jedi

Old Versions:

http://fd.noneinc.com/shot_spreadsheets/early/ShotList-StarWars-v0.2.01a-sm.jpg

Here's the first half with entered data for visual changes of 77, GOUT, 97 and 2004.

http://fd.noneinc.com/shot_spreadsheets/early/ShotList-StarWars-v0.1.01a.gif

generalfrevious wrote: Does George Lucas even read these posts?

Yes, he does often, he pops in tells us wonderful things about his franchise, goes by the name of

Submitted for your approval:

This is the last shot of the DS approaching Alderaan.  The right side of the Death Star looks to be darkened but more importantly extended.  In the 2004 (bottom) follow the trench south until you get to three stars which are almost vertical.  Now find those stars in the GOUT, and there's a whole bunch more to the left.  Would classify this as a 97 change.  (also kind of humorous that they've left the stars which show through the Death Star.  around the trench on the right there are all these lights which look more like stars to me.  there's two on the north grey trench line which look out of place.)

*EDIT 1*

The window mullion and transparency which was more of an issue in ESB's Hoth battle, seems similar to the Hyperspace in SW.  In 2004 you can see they're still there, but there's been some significant digital tweaking.  Guessing this is a 97 thing:

Aside: The Wookiegroomer split goes off as the MF approaches the destruction of Alderaan, anyone know how long this one frame off goes?  (ok seems to have righted ship by the time the MF enters the DS bay)

*EDIT 2*

1997 change.  After stealing the Stormtrooper armour, the Gantry Officer just opened the door and the first Stormtrooper (Han) blast has been added to the explosion and the next frame laser has been redone.  (this is the shot before the officer which got shot less shot)

core added ............. blaster laser redone (then in 2004 recolored!)

*EDIT 3*

The wipe change from 3po in DS gantry to mouse droid in hallway, moved the mouse droid shot one frame forward in 1997.

In: http://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/StarWarsSpecialEditionChangesHD?gsessionid=0ihDjrSWBGxdpa-92H18rw#5520076099266908722  the description is a tad vague, says I should be looking for lights on the right side.  The difference which is standing out to me is (...on the right) between the two vertical light patterns is a dark vertical band with a thin light band inbetween and that in GOUT changes thickness while in 2004 it's more uniform.  But still would like to know where the blinking lights are.  (ok think I found them, it's two and they only turn on once in the shot, about a quarter down, and very close to the frame edge?)

^ that makes sense, the hallway lights make it look like a very different costume.

In SW, just after leaving Docking Bay 94, there's a green guy leaving the Millennium Falcon cockpit.  Anyone got any stories for this?  Was it shot as part of a different sequence, maybe the character was to be replaced? (but 77 seems too early for green screen)  Or was this green just the uniform of people doing work on set so they were obvious?  Or is this the MF Grue who later in the movie eats the DS stormtroopers who went to scan for lifeforms.

Another 1997 SW wipe redone, when searching for R2, transition of Luke getting his gun to looking through the binoculars at the Banthas.  The feathering on the wipe is less in the SE.  (and weird green in the 2004)

*EDIT*

Here's something completely minor.  In the GOUT look above Ben's head.  There's a black ellipse sticking down.  Seems to have been straightened in the 2004.

*EDIT 2*

This looks like a frame stabilization, you'll need to step through the first few frames of the 2004 and anything prior.  On the DS, the commander's meeting, the first 3 frames have some flexing before they settle down.  The second frame jumps right, then the third frame squooshes a tad.

This may just be a transfer thing.  The GOUT wobbles in the scene.  See a little wobbling in the 97SE.  I'm noticing much of the wobble in the lights thru the doorway.

*EDIT 3*

Another 1997 wipe redone.  Luke leaves Ben and the droids at the sandcrawler to go find out what's happened to his uncle and aunt.  Notice how the 1997 wipe is a little faster, 3po gets wiped a frame early.

Also this entire shot seems to be shifted 5 frames.  Look at the background dirt/grass squat 'z' on the left of frame:

minus 5 frames .................. plus 5 frames

See in the 2004 (-5) the dirt pattern right behind the engine, that shows up 5 frames later in the GOUT (+5) pic.

In this pic the landspeeder is differently centered in frame, but exists at the same point in time, start with the 2004 above the engine is a zip dirt strip, in the 1977 it's above the nose of the landspeeder.

Which then means that the exit wipe was also redone in 1997:

*EDIT 4*

for this shot (Luke, Ben 3po & R2 landspeedering to Mos Eisley), might want to mention how the top half of the background is also replaced.  I think they've taken a guide line where everything above 3po's head was cut and then stretched vertically.

http://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/StarWarsSpecialEditionChangesHD?gsessionid=VIEttb8ACbc2-jJMrZ3D_Q#5514975447138093666

Look at rock outcropping just in front (and above in 77) of the speeder, looks the same except in 2004 it's twice at vertical and now right in front.

*EDIT 5*

In addition to the Wolfman to Melas change the exit wipe out from the Feltiperrn Trevagg and M'iiyoom Onith shot is 1997 new.

Intro wipe.........................exit wipe

*EDIT 6*

Another 1997 revised wipe.  Cantina interior to exterior 3po and r2 hanging out.  The original wipe was a little busy, so in the SE they seem to have added a third wipe to remove Chewie's back and when moved the previous wipe close to Chewie's body.  This allows the landspeeder engine to show up a frame earlier.

*EDIT 7*

In addition to the nonsense with Greedo shooting first, the pre-explosion Greedo, in the 2004 the background is well much darker devoid of all the previous details.  (also added some in explosion weirdness, these are for the color debate of lightsabers and laser blast cores, how they've isolated a certain spectrum of white and heavily tweaked it.)

*EDIT 8*

The wipe into the SE Jabba scene, should the 2004 be added as it's a new Jabba?  Or as it was all digital at that point....

Also the Chewie shot, during the SE Jabba sequence, seems to have been shifted a few frames earlier in the 2004.  (on second review, this is wrong)

The exit wipe of the SE Jabba sequence is also redone in 2004, look at the relationship of Boba's rocket pack to Obi's cloak.

Silverwook wrote: how do the 2004 and 2011 changes not require an updated copyright?

My guess, going by what's been done, is because these are home video versions of a theatrical presentation, no one is complaining with enough clout yet.  Only the 97SE updated the copyright date, so far.  Like the times before the actors/labor unions, digital artists don't have an impact (yet) to get their contribution recognized.  Probably in a few years they'll organize something and any form of release will tack on more credits.  Another difference between the film version and home video version is where the copyright is located, the film it's in the film, the home video is on the box.  Should it also be in the actual video, I would agree.

csl wrote: I find it a little interesting that the theatrical versions of something as huge, popular, and impactful as the SW OT becoming lost films is closer to reality than one would think.

Is there a more descriptive definition of 'lost film' in this case?  Many people on this forum have lower quality bootleg copies which can be redistributed ad infinitum.  So it's not lost as the silent era films are.  Those are really gone.  Using the lost film term on the SW case (can gain sympathy from a certain set) but I don't think it would be used to describe this case in preservation circles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_film