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#552035
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Ultimate Trilogy Set
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If this is an Ultimate Set why not have everything even if it is identical. 

(which none of the releases are as each has some thing applied to it (often minor and imperceivable) which tweaks the film to fit the release medium)

 

one of those five really potty-mouthed guys

People like myself don't deem certain words in language as offensive, so if you can remember who from PvsG are you talking about, please clarify.

 

For me the idea of a Disc Set, let alone an Ultimate Trilogy Set, is outdated.  Just make all the versions and variations purchasable online.  If I want to watch the 1985 RotJ in Spanish with Korean subs, let me do that.

Generally on changes between versions there are many threads in these forums attempting to identify them.  Unfortunately not one resource listing them all.  So if you poke around some of your questions can be answered from threads like:

Opening day 1977 3 audio versions info: http://www.fromscripttodvd.com/star_wars_a_day_long_remembered.htm

Dialog changes: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Definitive-tractor-beam-Close-the-blast-doors-Blast-it-Biggs-Wedge-you-dont-taste-very-good-Noooooo-Preservation-Guide/topic/13428/

ESB 70mm/35mm changes: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/post/537626/#TopicPost537626   (you probably don't need a full second disc for this, as the visual changes are few and the audio changes might not be that long of a list)  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-70mm-Soundtrack-1980-in-theatre-recording/topic/12501/page/1/

On RotS: there are more changes in the 2011 then just the wipe: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/DIF-Difference-tool-to-spot-visual-changes-SW-2004-2011/post/536882/#TopicPost536882

and new things found like 1977 credit changes: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread-was-Star-Wars-Pre-Re-release-Credit-Change-June-77/topic/12960/

 

The Phantom Menace had the alternative opening day version where Maul is not cut in half.  There also might have been differences between the film and digital version.  There were changes between the digital and film versions of Attack of the Clones.  Attack of the Clones also had an IMAX edit which people have mentioned liking.

This thread is similar to: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-film-versions-and-best-DVD-sources/topic/6126/

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#552019
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

If I protest against the corporations, none, they will kill me when it's convenient for them.

If this is the case, why are you making it easy for them to track you by posting online.

One step to limiting corporations control is to eliminate 'Corporate Personhood': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood http://movetoamend.org/

For everyone else looking to protest against any insurmountable odds, people are joining forces here: http://yeslab.org/index.php  (if you need this in movie form: http://vodo.net/theyesmen)

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#552004
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

generalfrevious wrote: You are not fighting for Civil Rights, this is just getting LFL to release the originals again.

That's all this might be to you, but not to me.  There is a larger debate about what people can and cannot do with technology as it enhances the ability to communicate. I take the stance that more freedoms to communicate in new ways is something we should strive for.  I see copyright as it is written and practiced as too restrictive.  While technology has given me the ability to do things which I could not have done 20-30 years ago, copyright legislation invoked in the 70s make what I have recently done and would like to continue doing, illegal.  That same 1970s copyright change, took away the ability of generations of people from interacting with the culture they grew up with.  This is has never happened before, 100 years ago if you grew up with a children's book, by the time you were an older adult, the work would enter the public domain. No works of any kind, anytime soon will enter the public domain.  That prohibits freelance preservationists from doing what they would like to do.  Meaning that future generations will suffer from the destruction of information and ideals.   Another aspect of this debate is the technological medium.  Film in this case is degrading.  If we as a society value these old creations, the law makers would set up an exemption to make sure all films are given the chance to be preserved before it's too late.  All the professionals out there do not have enough time to accomplish this task, the public is required to get involved.  As there is no exemption, people don't share my sentiment.

What you don't realize is that corporations run our society now

I've been telling you to get off your ass and change that.

 

LFL just needs to do what everyone else is doing.

They have been.  Most films never see a second release, let alone a preservation effort.

 

Oldfan wrote: Do you honestly think that fans could produce that kind of quality?

Yes.  People who respect works will spend their time to make the preservation the best it can be.  That amount of attention is what will make that preservation better then any official effort.

 

For example, in the last year these forums have become fascinated with color correction.  Many of the major projects have done global correction always with the caveat that individual shot correction is just too time consuming.  We'll what if a system was created where correction settings were done publicly and over a year or so the group figured out how to revise things per shot.  Spread the work over many people.  Have FAQ's how to get involved.  And in year we could have those setting ready to go.  Then tackle the next problem.  What if these forums started sharing not just the final product but all the support files, from editing files to color correction to masks and other SFX items.  A lot could be accomplished.  But all this work can't defeat the notion that only LFL can do a proper preservation.

 

In my mind the greatest thing George Lucas has done is he began to bring the technological tools of the professionals and shift them into a different method so more people could get access to those tools.  Star Wars is fine, but the idea that I could edit and create my own form of news reporting, using the tools he help build, is so much better. 

The problem is that along with the tools to create new things also came the tools to stop new things.

http://techland.time.com/2011/11/17/sopa-wont-stop-online-piracy-would-censor-everyone-else/

SOPA is around because they forsee the video capabilities of HTML5 which will make video ubiquitous.  No need to rely on youtube, as browsers and websites will be able to work together.  Video might be able to massively expand, enabling all forms of new communications.  The next 5 years are that proving ground of whether people want freer expanded communications.

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#551894
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Harmy wrote: Lucasfilm doesn't necessarily have to do the restoration themselves but in order for the film to be preserved and released legally, they'd have to officially give the job to someone and we should absolutely keep fighting for that.

That's Route A. 'The Official Route'  Route B. 'The public Route' is what I was describing before.  (Route B. can also be a subset of Route A. if release is only carried thru after the expiration of copyright [see SWLegacy])  Both are valid and can be done and supported at the same time.  We'll have to wait and see which one prevails.  But you can't really fight for Route A, you can only ask for it to be done.

Some of what you said doesn't even make sense, because if the public has to break the law to preserve and restore the film, that is definitely not fine at all.

If breaking a law is necessary to showcase how the law is no longer unacceptable.  Then we'll deal with the ramifications after I choose to break said law.  My 'sense' might not be 'fine' for you.

 

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#551889
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

So we must fight against them until they release the originals to acceptable standards.

Why fight them when you can do it yourself. 

Why do you want the preservation of this movie to come from George Lucas?

A film so ingrained into our culture deserves better than freelance preservations

Why do you think freelance workers can't do justice to any quality movie?  Most preservations come from people who didn't originally work on the film.

they can tell you which version to watch and make changes to the films with absolutely little warning days before relaese.

Lucasfilm can't tell you wich version to watch.  and just like LFL, anyone can take these stupid films and modify them just as quickly.  You are surrounded by people doing just that in these forums.

They have purged all previously existing video copies right before this new BD was released.

No they didn't.  Some store chains pulled old inventory.  But there are still copies being sold at other stores and services.

You want the 2004 DVDs: http://www.amazon.com/Trilogy-Empire-Strikes-Return-Widescreen/dp/B00003CXCT/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727723&sr=8-10

You want the 2008 DVDs: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727723&sr=8-13

You want the 1997 VHSs: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Special-VHS/dp/6304539282/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727806&sr=8-4

You want a old VHSs: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Mark-Hamill/dp/6301792734/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727835&sr=8-2

You want a CED: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-CED-Video-Disc/dp/B005FTTMPU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727861&sr=8-3

You want a 8mm: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Super-8mm-Film/dp/B0065NGYYM/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727899&sr=8-14

 

again:

So we must fight against them until they release the originals to acceptable standards.

"Fight Them Until They."  Why do you want THEM involved anymore.

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#551846
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

generalfrevious wrote: And, the purpose of this site is to petition GL to create a proper restoration for the originals, not force others to make their own due to his personal hubris.

The purpose of this site has changed.  The last petition written in 2009 was ignored in the 2011 release.  Instead of writing another, the forums now cultivate a culture of doers/makers/redoers. If you want the petitions to be the purpose of this site, then spend the time rewriting it to fit a new goal.

No one's forced to do anything.  Not Lucas to preserve this stupid film or the public to preserve the stupid film.  They choose to do it.

GL has proven not once but several times that he and all the companies he funds is not up to the task of preserving this stupid film.  Why you want to go back to him for the twenty something time expecting a different results is well....

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#551770
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

principle is that LFL should be doing this job

again wrong.  Culture (after copyright) belongs to the public.  If the public is not given the resources and knowledge to preserve the works, then those works are doomed to oblivion.  The public will outlast any corporation or government.

Expecting creators to preserve their own work is wasting their time.

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#551758
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

does anyone feel concerned that GL has the power now to tell the federal government (LOC) to suppress the originals and preserve only the SE?

He doesn't.  Your reading comprehension is subjective to your misplaced anger.

The LOC has multiple copies of all the Star Wars films and all their variations.  The National Film Registry is a separate body and it's that copy which is subjected to the debate of if it is or is not a SE copy and did the NFR accept or not accept it, but more importantly the sequence of when these events occurred.  (the NFR is a subpart the LOC)

 

What If GL even lobbies congress to make a law forcing private collectors to fork up their own prints of the originals?

and now to feed your insanity, he's already got that POWAAHHH.  Illegal prints are illegal prints.  Your law idea will come about when the technology to scan film prints comes down in price.

What would Yoda do?

Are you trying to imply that generalfrevious is Yoda on dagobah speaking irrationalities to the bogwings and lizards of that planet awaiting the first other to come save this stupid movie...

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#551267
Topic
Words I never thought I'd hear: Joe Paterno fired (UPDATE JOE PATERNO IS DEAD)
Time

...and then the game began:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-admits-to-showering-with-boys/1

"I say that I am innocent of those charges," said Sandusky

 

 

http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child+Sexual+Abuse&section=Facts+for+Families

Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult.

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#551200
Topic
Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
Time

Watching the ESB lightsaber stuff, coming around to the logic that they're the original composites just digitally altered most likely unintentionally by the color adjustments.  But there seems to be a specific caveat which made the lightsaber hit blasts fade more into the background. 

Maybe this has been pointed out but several of the hit blasts use the same flash:

 

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#551123
Topic
Theater Performance Preservations
Time

Found someone else who has remembrances of a version of Star Wars on VHS from 1979.  This version was missing the opening crawl and had a repeat section around the time Kenobi says  "It (TIE) followed us".  (Which is around the 1 hour mark.)  Sounds like a similar two tape source as the mothr widescreen.

 

http://www.sexyarchaeology.org/imported-20110724151822/2011/9/16/basement-archaeology.html

A few months ago I was digging through some boxes in my basement when I discovered an artifact from my childhood.  That artifact was a VHS tape; a bootleg copy of Star Wars.  Not Star Wars: A New Hope, STAR WARS, full stop (collector's will note how incredibly rare this version is).   The tape was marked only by a small piece of aged masking tape with the title scrawled in pencil.

 

http://echobasenews.com/interview-sam-witwer.html

I do, however, remember seeing Return of the Jedi in the theater. My dad was able to get bootleg copies of Star Wars and Empire on VHS, but Return of the Jedi in the theater...that was something special."

http://watchplayread.com/2011/10/who-else-was-this-kid/

reminds me of when I was a wee lad who was watching this on bootleg VHS tapes.

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/jar-jar-binks-sidelined-from-the-phantom-menace-3d-trailer/

One of my favourite memories of going to the cinema is the night I went to see Phantom Menace,
(even though I had seen it at least 5 times before on good old bootleg VHS!)

http://ellisbeetle.com/blog/2011/08/george-lucas-and-a-little-kid-with-a-afro/

I remember, I had a something no one in my neighborhood had. My father was able to get a bootleg copy of the VHS tape from 20th Century Fox, then it became apparent that something had stuck. It wasn’t out on VHS so I didn’t mention it to my friends in fear that the old guard would find out and spread their hate. I’m sure if they had, 20th Century Fox would have gotten an anonymous call about that bootleg copy.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40064&PN=1&totPosts=97

the drummer in my dad's band had a bootleg tape of the movie and I probably watched it at least 100 times when they were rehearsing. 

 

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#550905
Topic
Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
Time

About to tackle the lightsabers in ESB, but want to get a sense of what was discussed before.  So will throw out some example images and if people can vote yes/no on if these are things we want to include.

First example of lightsaber use : Han on Hoth: 

 

Luke vs Dagobah Vader:

(not the greatest pic was noting Luke's uncolored)

 

Luke vs Vader: :

Then there's the issue of the saber clash flashes.  Several from the Luke vs Dagobah Vader have been pointed out as revised.  But here's the first example from the Luke Vader end duel and what are people's opinions:



So vote for Y/N and if Yes what year.  (images are 80 boot, 97TB, GOUT, 2004)

 

My initial response would be most of them are 2004 digital refinements.  But not so certain of the distance shots, they may have been left alone.

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#550892
Topic
Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
Time

2004 this Falcon pov shot of the Executor, the Executor is recomp'd.  (look at the back end relationship to window frames)

http://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673855333145937506

Another 97 wipe.  Luke's entered the Falcon cockpit but is still mentally chatting with Vader.

http://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673859175725379522

*EDIT*

Added the slave-1 shot previously discussed.

http://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673871183667998290

 

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#550779
Topic
Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
Time

Harmy wrote: I disagree with this one (not the glue but the widening).

yeah, revised the description to just mention the blue/black button.  (as the pic doesn't show the glue either)

Another bogwing flying creature shot.  'No Try not' sequence'

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673494660239735186

When Needa takes the shuttle to the Executor, the shuttle and upper Star Destroyer were recomp'd and retimed.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673560719042464882

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#550720
Topic
Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
Time

another 1997 wipe.  2-1B to rebels

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673374015846707026

Ion Cannon fire is white in 2004.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673374954979448082

When Luke releases the cable and falls from the AT-AT, the shot seems wider.  (there's a button with a dot not scene before) and the blue button is now black.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673411116828834546

2004 TIEs recolored.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673438823264103698

1997 garbage matte fixes during the post Hoth, Falcon Star Destroyer dodging.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673439770492684882

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673440705725768722

There are a few shots which are in the SW.com 2004 changes which are not in the new guide.  here's one of those:

2004 garbage matte fix - Falcon entering asteroid tunnel

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673448793694895058

2004 change to the tunnel from blue to beige

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673450070930758098

2004 garbage matte fix and shot of Executor (just prior to chatting withthe Emperor) is zoomed in .

https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD#5673455364100249570