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#568351
Topic
Old Exterior Links into OT.com - Corrupted Content Error
Time

Was looking at one of russs's Galactic Trade Federation pages which has a link towards an OT.com page.

Active Page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/dvd/OT/edit.html

Exterior Broken Link: http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1703

Which returns the error:

Corrupted Content Error
     
          The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected.
       
        The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected.Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

 

Think the link should point here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-EditDroid-Trilogy-DVD-Info-and-Feedback-Thread/post/92531/#TopicPost92531

or maybe just page 9 which is:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-EditDroid-Trilogy-DVD-Info-and-Feedback-Thread/topic/1703/page/9/

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#568299
Topic
It's rare for me to find somebody who has never watched Star Wars...
Time

^ Really, I find the topic title wrong.  I think people know things about SW but most haven't seen it.  and now there's a common thread for people to express this notion.

http://persephonemagazine.com/2011/06/why-i-haven%E2%80%99t-seen-star-wars-and-probably-never-will/

http://www.justjaredjr.com/2011/09/28/daniel-radcliffe-hasnt-seen-star-wars/

http://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/jrwg1/when_someone_says_they_havent_seen_star_wars/

http://raws.adc.rmit.edu.au/~s3241848/blog2/?p=657

http://www.quora.com/Are-there-Quora-users-who-havent-seen-Star-Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMUxRQff-I

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#568097
Topic
Did the prequels have boring visuals?
Time

bingowings wrote: I'm more prone to believe it was the other way around.

That's confirmed in the Art of TPM book, pg.42

The Neimodians were designed after the look of the battle droids had been finalized.  On the assumption that the Neimodians had created the droids in their own image,

 

On the Jacob Epstein 'Rock Drill': http://blog.tate.org.uk/?p=6186

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#568091
Topic
The legend is gone - Ralph McQuarrie 3/3/12
Time

walking_carpet wrote: condolences to Ralph McQuarrie 's family.

oddly.  http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/03/ralph-mcquarrie/

Nervously, I called him. He answered the phone, I introduced myself and asked about his ancestry. He told me he wished he could help me out, but the fact was he didn’t know anything about the McQuarrie family; his father had abandoned his family when he was an infant, and he’s never met a single relative from that side of his family.

*EDIT* one obit mentions a wife.

 

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#568004
Topic
3D STAR WARS for the masses...has ARRIVED!
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zombie84: Nice catch! Kind of random quote though.

Unfortuantely fame sometimes requires one to speak in soundbytes...  Did they actually interview you specifically for the 3D or was this pulled from a message forum or something or other?  Is this part of your 'make over' like Simon Pegg's Dengar to gain access to la Ranch.  (good plan)  Why would the article author use 'when he changed things'.  Oh. yess that Shakespeare he wrote ...things.  Ahh Public Enemy, doesn't Chuck D rap things well.  Rem Koolhaus really architect's things for living.

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#567999
Topic
SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA
Time

Preview Video (temporary soundtrack) : http://noneinc.com/SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA/SW4D-Full-011a_H264SOUND.mov (107mb) 1 minute - 1920x816

This version showcases a transition of some of the preservations of the Star Wars, then transitions to the video mosaic during the Twin Suns shot, then transitions back to the beginning. 

Thanks to the mth3r, EDITDROID, 2004 DVD, Adywan, 2006 GOUT, dark_jedi, Harmy & 2011 BD. and MacOSaiX : http://web.me.com/knarf/MacOSaiX/Download.html

(yes one of the video's compression got phucked (went all grey and retimed), will fix that for the final)

 

(soundmosaic is about 1/10th of the way done on this small test after 6 hours... Looks like --partition will be used from now on...)

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#567941
Topic
Save Star Wars Dot Com
Time

^ here's a place to start: http://www.loc.gov/about/faqs.html

When we were looking into visiting, there was a need for a special library card.  (you can start the process online so when you go there you just need to deal with the photo and other details)  canofhumdinger's did you have to go through that process or because of the 'Star Wars' connection this was all bypassed, since you were meeting with someone specific?  and not at the Library but one of it's satellite offices.

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#567751
Topic
SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA
Time

negative1 wrote: http://awesame.org/soundmosaic/  i don't get it all.  the demo doesn't help.  and it doesn't really sound like anything close at all?  is there some kind of use, or a better demo/sample?  this doesn't seem to be very useful, or artsy at all.

The program is a tool.  How it is implemented, anyone can interpret as useful or artsy.  The bush-chimp sample is a progression from a low setting (think of a pictorial mosaic made up of 4 images) to a high setting (pictorial mosaic of 2000 images)  The last bit you are hearing is George Bush's audio micro-sampled to recreate the chimp's vocals.  Figuring out what level of sampling to use to 'hear and understand' the audio of Star Wars but also be able to pick out the audio qualities which represent the PT films will require trial and error.

Funcha wrote: This thread makes my brain hurt.

Go on.

Molly wrote: I think so, yeah.  Not having gawk, mawk or nawk is prolly no big deal since awk is there.

Right the compiler seems to stop when it reaches an impasse.  (for those learning along (as I am), awk is a program and there are versions.  for instance 'new' awk is nawk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awk

 

After almost 10 years, finally figured out how to install soundmosaic and use the program.  (me 10 years ago: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/databenders/message/312)

Here's a general description of the tasks/steps.  I'm on a Mac so the C compiler is on the system install discs under optional installation.  For OS10.6 it's called Xcode.  Then in Terminal was able to begin the installation of audiofile-0.3.3. (http://www.68k.org/~michael/audiofile/ )  Following the README, first you cd to the folder and ./configure.  (several pages of commands roll by)  Then 'make'.  (more pages)  'make check' then 'make install'.

$ make install
Making install in libaudiofile
Making install in modules
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
test -z "/usr/local/lib" || .././install-sh -c -d "/usr/local/lib"
 /bin/sh ../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c   libaudiofile.la '/usr/local/lib'
libtool: install: /usr/bin/install -c .libs/libaudiofile.1.dylib /usr/local/lib/libaudiofile.1.dylib
install: /usr/local/lib/libaudiofile.1.dylib: Permission denied
make[3]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 71
make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1

Got around the Permission denied by adding 'sudo' before the command which allows you to enter a password.  And finally some happy words:

Libraries have been installed in:
   /usr/local/lib

So then it's moving onto soundmosaic.  which when it plays out correctly goes like this:

$ ./configure && make
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... ./install-sh -c -d
checking for gawk... no
checking for mawk... no
checking for nawk... no
checking for awk... awk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... yes
checking for afOpenFile in -laudiofile... yes
checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /usr/bin/grep
checking for egrep... /usr/bin/grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... rm: conftest.dSYM: is a directory
rm: conftest.dSYM: is a directory
yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking limits.h usability... yes
checking limits.h presence... yes
checking for limits.h... yes
checking malloc.h usability... no
checking malloc.h presence... no
checking for malloc.h... no
checking getopt.h usability... yes
checking getopt.h presence... yes
checking for getopt.h... yes
checking X11/Xlib.h usability... yes
checking X11/Xlib.h presence... yes
checking for X11/Xlib.h... yes
checking X11/Xutil.h usability... yes
checking X11/Xutil.h presence... yes
checking for X11/Xutil.h... yes
checking X11/Xos.h usability... yes
checking X11/Xos.h presence... yes
checking for X11/Xos.h... yes
checking return type of signal handlers... void
checking for getopt_long... yes
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating config.h
config.status: executing depfiles commands
make  all-am
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/main.Tpo -c -o main.o main.c
main.c: In function ‘soundmosaic_collate_attempts’:
main.c:1219: warning: ‘temp_streams[0]’ may be used uninitialized in this function
mv -f .deps/main.Tpo .deps/main.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT soundmosaic.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/soundmosaic.Tpo -c -o soundmosaic.o soundmosaic.c
mv -f .deps/soundmosaic.Tpo .deps/soundmosaic.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT sm_utils.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/sm_utils.Tpo -c -o sm_utils.o sm_utils.c
mv -f .deps/sm_utils.Tpo .deps/sm_utils.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT server.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/server.Tpo -c -o server.o server.c
mv -f .deps/server.Tpo .deps/server.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT io_buffer.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/io_buffer.Tpo -c -o io_buffer.o io_buffer.c
mv -f .deps/io_buffer.Tpo .deps/io_buffer.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT client.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/client.Tpo -c -o client.o client.c
mv -f .deps/client.Tpo .deps/client.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT http.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/http.Tpo -c -o http.o http.c
mv -f .deps/http.Tpo .deps/http.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT resampler.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/resampler.Tpo -c -o resampler.o resampler.c
mv -f .deps/resampler.Tpo .deps/resampler.Po
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.     -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -MT graphics.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/graphics.Tpo -c -o graphics.o graphics.c
mv -f .deps/graphics.Tpo .deps/graphics.Po
gcc  -g -O2 -g -O2 -g -Wall -Wnested-externs -Wno-format  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o soundmosaic main.o soundmosaic.o sm_utils.o server.o io_buffer.o client.o http.o resampler.o graphics.o  -lX11 -laudiofile -lpthread

May have done sudo for these commands as well.

 

And now for the testing.  Listen to these two short files:

Twin Suns audio clip : http://noneinc.com/SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA/soundmosaic/Source-TwinSuns-SmallPiece.wav  Soundmosaic considers this the target file, the one which is to be reproduced.  Testing with a 7 second clip from the Twin Suns segment as the music builds.

Source clip : http://noneinc.com/SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA/soundmosaic/Source-TPMLD-TF-Theme1min.wav This is the material soundmosaic will reuse to recreate the target file.  This is 25 second of TPM, some dialog before and after the Galactic Trade Federation theme, as they land on Naboo.

and here's the first two tests:  (i recommend listening on a loop)

Command: soundmosaic --partition --tilesize=0.1 zsource/Source-TwinSuns-SmallPiece.wav zoutput/sw4d-test-001.wav zsource/Source-TPMLD-TF-Theme1min.wav

returns: http://noneinc.com/SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA/soundmosaic/sw4d-test-001.wav (took a few minutes)

On first listen it's difficult to hear what sound mosaic is up to.  Soundmosaic uses a parameter called tilesize which in this case is .1 seconds long.  At this length you can pick out that there are different origins, for instance I can hear some Padme dialog in the beginning and a few times at the end.

So for the second test cranked up the tile size from .1 to .01.

soundmosaic --partition --tilesize=0.01 zsource/Source-TwinSuns-SmallPiece.wav zoutput/sw4d-test-002.wav zsource/Source-TPMLD-TF-Theme1min.wav

returns: http://noneinc.com/SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA/soundmosaic/sw4d-test-002.wav (took maybe 10 minutes)

Although it's very choppy, you can begin to hear the Twin Suns theme emerge from the TPM audio.

Then went back to listen to the first test and it's a little clearer how the tones soundmosaic is picking up to recreate.  The first quarter of test-001 I think is closer to where i'd like this to go.

Trying a third sample taking the first example and removing the --partition command, which increases the computational time but should be clearer.  been processing for awhile....  (zero on the progress *'s after almost a half hour...)

On the visuals, have the RotS frames created and running off some of the Luke before and after the Twin Suns shot.  Hopefully be able to post that this weekend or next week.

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#567875
Topic
3D STAR WARS for the masses...has ARRIVED!
Time

An article with some details of the 3D work:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-3d-george-lucas-289377?page=2

Prime Focus set up a process for the 3D conversion of the 115-minute movie,  which was mostly done at their facilities in India and in London. It involved at various times 600 of their employees. “Everything was sent back for review,” said Malhotra, “by (the Lucasfilm team) and George Lucas himself. We would get notes from them, suggestions for enhancements and any direction they had. It worked pretty smoothly.”

 

Still it was an intense eight month process *CUT*

and look who get's quoted:

Michael Kaminski, author of the unauthorized 2008 book The Secret History of Star Wars, who has been critical of Lucas in the past when he changed things in the movies, is on board with this re-release. “A lot of people say ‘3D, oh its crap,’ because there are so many 3D releases done badly,” said Kaminski. “And it’s true. Often the film is done badly. But the fact Lucas is a supporter of 3D and spent a lot of time getting it right, I think it’s a fun way to re-energize the movies.”

 

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#567818
Topic
Save Star Wars Dot Com
Time

After this sentence:

The staff at the library did, however, inform me that there was a copy of Star Wars and one of each sequel in their copyright depository vaults, donated not long after their first release

I would add direct links to the Library of Congress records for the Star Wars films:

1977 - Star Wars : http://lccn.loc.gov/96512247
1980 - Empire Strikes Back : http://lccn.loc.gov/96512208
1983 - Return of the Jedi : http://lccn.loc.gov/96501520
1997 - Star Wars A New Hope Special Edition : http://lccn.loc.gov/97510343
1997 - Empire Strikes Back Special Edition : http://lccn.loc.gov/98502262
1997 - Return of the Jedi Special Edition : http://lccn.loc.gov/2006642053
1999 - The Phantom Menace : http://lccn.loc.gov/99468631
2002 - Attack of the Clones : http://lccn.loc.gov/2002636427
2005 - Revenge of the Sith : http://lccn.loc.gov/2005644161
2008 - The Clone Wars : http://lccn.loc.gov/2008636030

This way people can see for themselves the dates of submission and other tidbits to verify what you are writing.

 

There's a pic of Star Destroyers, might want to caption what that image is.  Especially if it's not from the LoC.  Assuming it's to show a 35mm print.

Thanks for the mention.

In canofhumdinger's writings:

With Michael Kaminski' s permission

there's an extra space in there.

on this topic:

but I should mention that I'm no expert on the credits and didn't even know there were different versions of the original credits until very recently. [ed: as originaltrilogy.com members have uncovered recently, there are at least two different versions of the end credits on different prints, and possibly a third.]

if you would like to point them, link them to this thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread-was-Star-Wars-Pre-Re-release-Credit-Change-June-77/topic/12960/


To help out the LoC effort.  Maybe a sentence at the end noting that for every frame there is in Star Wars there are miles of other films seeking preservation.  Our society has been short changing much of our culture.

 

Great read, glad to see some people come forward with their experiences.

 

*EDIT*

Reading the .doc, what is the 'Mavis record'?


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#567726
Topic
SWxTPM-4DWHUXGA
Time

Anyone have experience with installation and compiling of programs in Terminal (MacOSX), i'm requesting guidance/an education. 

Did some more digging and it wasn't Comparisonics but a program called Soundmosaic: http://awesame.org/soundmosaic/ (listen to the sample, neeto)

Have run the ./configure of soundmosaic and getting:

$ ./configure && make
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... ./install-sh -c -d
checking for gawk... no
checking for mawk... no
checking for nawk... no
checking for awk... awk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
checking for cl.exe... no
configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
See `config.log' for more details.

The gawk, mawk, nawk i'm not sure how to address. (probably need to install the recommended Audio File Library first)  The C compiler seems to be the primary problem.  Guessing I need to re-install MacOS's coder software.  Found some mentions of BSD, but those were years old, and not part of the install discs of Snow Leopard (10.6)   If I install Xcode will that provide the C compiler?  Any kind of tips welcomed.

Post
#567701
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
Time

^ http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Save-Star-Wars-Dot-Com/post/472541/#TopicPost472541

SilverWook wrote: Okay, here we go. Keep in mind this was done about five years ago, aiming a camcorder at a white sheet of paper taped to a wall! The camera focus was a bit off kilter most of the time, but you can see how nice the colors are.

Pics in post.