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red5-626 wrote: I found this site and got out my GOUT
http://fd.noneinc.com/Reel_Changes/Reel_Changes.html
Here is what I got.
Reel changing locations by dialog
For dummy’s.
It is not frame accurate but it will give you an idea
 of where in the hole movie the Reel changes are.

If you'd like frame accurate numbers, head on over to Mallwalker's Reel Length thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Reel-lengths/topic/11666/

(was working on an update of the above link which will incorporate frame numbers.  preview here: http://fd.noneinc.com/cue/cue.html but with all those pics why not just put up the video, so haven't worked on it in a while...)

^ What's occurred which requires fixing?

There have been more SW Musical adaptations in the last few years. 

Sometimes artists produce something related and Lucasfilm gets wind of it and they bring those people into the fold (the forthcoming SW comic art book) or smaller things like:

http://tcritic.com/archives/a-new-hope-obamastar-wars-spoof-now-available-as-a-t-shirt/

I wrote about A New Hope the poster from Ironic Sans a couple of weeks ago and mentioned that it was not a T-Shirt yet due to fears of Lucas Film retribution, well I’m happy to tell you that they are now being sold through Zazzle and with Lucus Film blessing

Baronlando wrote: What about the summer 1978 re-release. It was a major, wide rerelease with a national ad campaign etc.

Early 78 would see George start up ESB work, the main SW crew would be working other jobs.  Don't think you'd need many people to create the credits, so it'd definitely a possibility but i'd lean towards too late.  One aspect going against this later 78 idea is the swedish 16mm print has the revised credits, Sweden's premiere was 1977.12.16.  The frankenprint concept doesn't help nail anything down.

Edlund e-mails out, msycamore suggested Dan Perri: http://www.danperri.com/ so that's next.

MVerta talked to Perri at one point:

http://www.starwarslegacy.com/archive/site/pages/Legacy_1.html

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Save-the-Lars-Homestead/post/581334/

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Lars-Homestead-Restoration/post/503151/

Some general info on the crawl creation:

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/23/magazine/tm-39966

SO SOCAL: The Best...The Beautiful...And the Bizarre
: STAR WARS

May 23, 1999|Jason Dietrich

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away . . .

To be exact, it was 22 years ago. And the galaxy was a makeshift viewing room in Van Nuys, where graphic artist and title designer Dan Perri carefully analyzed the opening sequences in the 1939 film "Union Pacific," in which titles traveled down the tracks, and some 1930s serials. Next to him sat George Lucas, and together the men would conceive the stark, foreboding opener for the first "Star Wars" film.

After the film's screening for cast and crew, Perri, who had designed title sequences for "Taxi Driver" and "The Exorcist," knew the force was with him. "When the letters started rolling up from the bottom of the screen," he recalls, the audience "went berserk."

To create the effect, Perri made a negative photostat of Lucas' introduction and painstakingly rubber-cemented the white letters to a 4-by-12 piece of black poster board. ("I wonder where the thing is now," Perri laments.) He mounted the poster board at an angle and a camera slowly tracked over the type; the text looked as if it vanished into a star field.

Perri modified Lucas' original, vertical "Star Wars" logo into the distinctive broad-lettered block that we know today so that it would fit the wide-screen Panavision format.

In a Hollywood awash in computer graphics, Perri's handiwork, completed with grade-school art project supplies, seems long ago and far away after all. "It was really primitive," says Perri, who is still in the business but can't claim title credits for "The Phantom Menace," which opened this week. "Now you could do something like that in a day."

Sounds like maybe this was a previz version to test the scheme.

Puggo wrote:

jero32 said:

What George Lucas is doing however, is more comparable to John Lennon deciding Yoko Ono was also part of the band, and permanently mixing her voice into the song.

Great analogy!

I smell meme:

http://tubedubber.com/#7jK-jZo6xjY:K-c9oasVC1I:0:100:0:0:1

1977 SW Crawl with Yoko Ono's "Hell in Paradise" which was a protest album against Ronald Reagan's 'Star Wars' missile defense initiative. 

Mesmerized by mythology,
Hypnotized by ideology,
Antagonized by reality,
Vandalized by insanity,

Indeed.

none wrote:  poking around, Sam Longoria says:

http://emusingmusic.blogspot.com/2011/05/typographic-rage.html

Mr. Longoria was nice enough to answer the questions sent over, they've been added to the above blog's comments section.

You are welcome, Christian, and I thank you for the opportunity to comment on your fine post, which I enjoyed very much.

I am grateful also to Peter Lopez, who wrote me recently, to ask more detailed questions about the title shoot.

Just to be clear, I did not work at ILM in 1980. I came there to visit in when my friend (and later boss) Richard Edlund ASC invited me. Later, I worked for Richard at his special effects company (Boss Film) in Los Angeles.

What I saw of the title shoot was quite wonderful. They ran the VistaVision camera over the high-contrast title artwork on a light box. I've shot lots of titles on animation stands, so it was familiar to me, but I'd never seen it done with a motion-control camera before.

I remember seeing the title "Episode IV - A New Hope," and wondering at it, but I don't recall much discussion.

If there are variations between title crawl versions, as Peter asserts in his email to me, that would be caused by some combination of executive order and camera operator choice, both in the original photography and in re-photography. (Optical printing, printing for foreign distribution, etc.)

There are sooo many parts to a movie, and there are so many variables.

I hope my response is helpful. Keep up the great work!

Sam Longoria
http://samlongoria.blogspot.com

So the next step is to send something over to Mr. Edlund.  He did do the work, wish we had a little more then speculation...

Oh that Mace Windu and his irritable bowels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShD8a1SxZs

Oh ...official... then restart the thread when Lucasfilm starts up the Kickstarter SW Restoration page. 

How do you not become a laughing stock when you make bazjillions and yet still ask the public to fund a project.  Lucasfilm could completely get away with it, as they are quite beloved but it's humorous on several levels.

More OT.com kickstarter reading:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kickstarter-Tiers-Getting-the-OOT-on-BD/topic/13963/

If you'd like to give money to an organization who has the material and ability to preserve films, here's the Library of Congress donation page:

http://www.loc.gov/philanthropy/index.php

If the OT.com petition page was to ever update again, i'd forward people there.

Earlier in the thread, the discussion of when/why there was a change (definitely credits, maybe crawl), sometime in the first year or two after release.  Here's an idea for a why. 

http://adayinhollywood.tumblr.com/post/16928556714/august-3-1977-the-second-opening-of-star-wars

1977.08.03 is when they put 3po, R2 and Vader's feet into the sidewalk in front of Grauman's Chinese Theater.  The above link considers this the second opening of SW at the Grauman.  As this was a special day they probably wanted a perfect print for the showing.  Why not use this as a possible start date for all newly printed versions to have slight updates.

This date would also make a good transition point as it coincides close to the beginning of the international release schedule.  Which began 1977.08.23 in the Philippines, according to:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/releaseinfo

So if August 77 is the cut off date, there could be 843 prints of this early version out in circulation at some point:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=starwars4.htm

But as they were just lopping off the beginning and end of the film, this date could be shifted up a few weeks.  If someone knows how long it took to produce a print, subtract that from the August deadline.  If it is as much as a month, then that would almost cut in half the number of original version prints.  ~453

negative1 wrote: i'm sure there will be many offshoots,

as people will want to adjust some of the shots to their own

preference.

Give it 10 years and there will be wikipreservation.org which will allow everyone to take part in the restoration process.  From dirt removal to color adjustment, all will click click click until some version of the film is returned.

^ http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-August-30-2011-No-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO/topic/11438/

1977.08.03 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yB-Us17lUE

ABC News coverage of when 3po, R2 and Vader got their feet into the concrete of the Hollywood walk of fame, in front of Grauman's Theater.  This is the second opening of SW at the theater.

Pic: http://adayinhollywood.tumblr.com/post/16928556714/august-3-1977-the-second-opening-of-star-wars

Question: Most SW docs when they want to show the popularity of SW they open with the shot of this theater full of people.  That shot must have come from this event, so the question becomes is there any documented proof of what opening day of SW at the Grauman actually looked like?

slightly off topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA0v-R9GLKs

one of the recent Spike TV commercials with storyboards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPo4UEh5TXU

TPM podrace sequence - storyboards set to movie audio

http://dketoys.com/blog/2012/07/09/dke-sdcc-suckadelic-final-exclusive-reveals/

Warbler wrote: huh?   50th anniversary of what?

The Thief and the Cobbler, the article mentioned that 2012 was the 48th anniversary.

jero32 wrote: What's so "lost" about it? Yes they edited even more scenes. But it's not like theres no scenes at all that havent been edited.

Every pixel bit of the blu-ray has been modified.  These revisions/changes go beyond the re-editing of scenes or the updating of a special effect, the global appearance is noticeably different then what existed before.  That's why many people share Molly's opinion.

There is a version in progress working to de-specialize (deedit as you suggested) the movies.  You can get into that conversation here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-AVCHD-DVD9-and-NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/

The issues you bring up are not really a part of this thread, here's a suggestion where to take this type of issue:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Which-version-release-of-the-SW-movies-do-you-watch-and-why/topic/12446/

I am fascinated by this statement:

I think "ideally" we'd use this copy mostly for backup/archiving.

vacuum (Post Count: 15) wrote in this thread:

June 19, 2012 : can someone pm me the links, thanks!

June 19, 2012 : what do i have to do to listen to this?

June 19, 2012 : is there any way to get this without signing up?

June 23, 2012 : deleted

June 25, 2012 : could someone re upload this?

June 30, 2012 : anyone?

July 7, 2012 : i can't download it.

This place is not a library, you can't just have everything available at all times to those who want it.  You missed out the first go round, you'll have to wait for someone to take time out of their lives to help this recording make it to the next.  The way you post is not helping that case.  Why do you want to hear this recording?

via: http://www.metafilter.com/117469/Mad-God

Official site: http://www.madgodmovie.com/

Over an 18 month period, a small team, under Phil Tippett's direction, will complete a stop-motion/live-action/mixed-media creation called MAD GOD, using hands, tools, molds, clay, toys, garbage, blood, and whatever else we can get our hands on.

video interviews: http://museumca.org/theoaklandstandard/phil-tippett-mad-god

(project was successfully kickstarter funded)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/madgod/phil-tippetts-mad-god

Harry Knowles talks to Patrick Read Johnson:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibohxrzqzjk

via:tf.n  (the nerdist channel has lots of other interesting things)

Hopefully posts like that will make the 50th anniversary something to remember.

Here are some articles:

Mark Hamill talks Prequels:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,614847,00.html

http://www.theforce.net/episode1/story/mark_hamill_talks_episode_i_episode_ii_the_phantom_edit_and_conventions_71154.asp

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/07/16/mark_hamill_confesses_his_crush_on_natal

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/7805467/ns/today-entertainment/t/mark-hamill-cant-escape-star-wars-spotlight/#.T_JJZHAZe-s

Dave Prowse on Hayden:

http://starwarsinterviews1.blogspot.com/2010/01/dave-prowse-interview.html