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#1347562
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Can be watched at:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIF_04_ANH_2004-2019_Media.html
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_Media.html
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_Media.html

Note: Playback will not be instantaneous. Video is highly compressed, expect artifacts.

Curious if people have theories on the 2004 collars and if the DIF results can help us identify shots which didn’t get significantly modified in the evolution from 2004 to 2019.

Let us know what you find.

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#1346189
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Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy
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Reviewed the DIF of ROTJ 2004 vs 2019 and below are some for consideration.

  1. Reframing of the intro SW and Crawl higher in the picture frame. Lucasfilm compensates with a modified pan at the end of the shot when the Death Star rises from the bottom of the shot.
  2. The back of the Left Imperial Officers has his shirt painted black.
  3. Multiple shots in the Jabba sequence appear to be stretched or have a zoom which might affect the pixel aspect ratio.
  4. A shot of the Rebel Fleet has a missing ship added back in and an edge crop fixed to show the Mon Calamari cruiser all the way to the end of the frame.

Details, pics and full list starts at: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/DIF-Difference-tool-to-spot-visual-changes-Current-2004-vs-2019/id/13179/page/3#1346060

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#1346185
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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DIF - ROTJ
2004 vs 2019

0:00:29 - In 2019, the ‘Star Wars’ zooms into the distance higher in the frame. The crawl follow this higher location. To compensate the pan down to the moon of Endor is changed, just at the end, to get to the same resting point before the Star Destroyer flys over.

0:02:30 - In 2019, the brightness on the back of the left Imperial Pilot was removed.

Note: Scenes in the beginning look to be zoomed out. More bottom frame and side frames.

0:05:38 - In 2019, R2’s head has been stabilized to control where the head sensor is looking at camera.

0:08:09 - ??? Note: Slight wobbly to Gomorriah Guard on left. Is shot lengthened or just try resizing to confirm.

0:08:44 - In 2019, Power window around R2?

0:09:12 - ??? Pan down from Jabba to Salacious, Middle of frame warped, figure out version.

0:09:58 - ??? Jabba flexes in first few frames.

0:10:35 - ??? Han in carbonite flexes.

0:12:45 - In 2019, Shot of Jabba has been reframed and has a different pixel aspect ratio. Loss of half of background character on the left.

0:13:00 - In 2019, Shot of Jabba’s dancers with CGI Sy Snoodles has lost part of the left side of the frame.

0:13:40 - ??? Background stabilization when Oola pulls on chains.

0:14:39 - In 2019, When Boushh and Chewie arrive shot is stretched to remove more of the close up mostly shadowed character on the left.

0:14:46 - In 2019, C-3po looks at the arrival, shot is stretched. Right side is fixed but left side is cut.

0:14:51 - In 2019. Chewie roaring is stretched.

0:14:53 - In 2019, the shot of Boushh talking to Jabba has been stretched.

0:15:01 - In 2019, Similar shot of Jabba has a different stretching than previous shot.

0:19:00 - ??? Check 2011 vs 2019

0:21:17 - In 2019, shot is stretches, hold left cut off right. Next shot of Crumb too. Then next shot of Han. And then Chewie.

  • whole sequence through Luke entering Jabba’s throne room

0:31:35 - In 2019, power window around 3po in window of the Barge was added?.

0:32:40 - In 2019, power window around 3po in window of the Barge was added?.

0:33:21 - In 2019, Battle on skiff was zoomed out.

0:33:32 - Reframed shot of Boba which pans to Lando hanging off skiff.

0:34:03 - Example of blown out white of 2004.

0:36:16 - Shot of C-3po falling off the Barge has been reframed.

0:39:5? - In 2019, a stabilization effort repositions Luke’s head or the background for a few frames.

0:48:26 - In 2019, Special Effects fix of a missing space ship in the upper right and the left side which was cropped was extended to fix the rounded frame corner which left part of the ship black.

0:48:33 - In 2019, Shot of entry to the Rebel Meeting was reframed right.

0:49:13 - ??? Right side warps.

0:52:33 - In 2019, shot has been zoomed in.

0:55:20 - In 2019, shot shifted left. and next shot of Vader walking in SD.

1:15:51 - In 2019, two shots part of the wipe has been zoomed in.

1:18:16 - In 2019, power window of the incoming light has been removed, when Leia goes to console Luke.

1:21:48 - In 2019, The first frame of a Leia close up (talking to Han) has been bumped.

1:35:22 - ??? Lower right corner glow not corrected in 2019.

1:35:46 - ??? Emperor’s slugs

1:36:21 - ??? In 2019, Vader shot is scaled.

1:45:21 - Luke attacks Emperor shot. Explosion colors.

2:00:37 - ??? Revised Vader demask shots. Shots are zoomed out.

2:05:23 - Luke in front of Vader’s pyre is reframed.

2:05:26 - Fade to Cloud City has been modified. Cloud City is zoomed in.

  • Wipe to Tatooine has been retimed/redone.
  • In the transition to Theed, the last thin post gets thicker as it moved center to right edge.
  • Pan down to Ewok village follows same zoomed in framing as the SE added shots.

Credits are shifted left.

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#1346184
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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This Leia talking to Luke shot does a strange bump/shift part way through the shot:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.21.42.21)-LeiaBump_a.jpg

The odd 2004 recoloring of explosions has been removed in 2019:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.58.16.16).jpg

The lightsaber clash explosion right before the infamous Emperor oddity from 2004, looks like maybe their judgement was to do this color change because the raw explosion was viewed as too much clear bright white at the time. As this has been undone in 2019, you can see how some detailing of these bright explosions has been lost:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.45.18.05).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.45.18.06).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.45.18.07).jpg

Luke demasking Vader, those shots have been zoomed out.

End Celebration:
2:05:23 - Luke in front of Vader’s pyre is reframed.
2:05:26 - Fade to Cloud City from Endor has been modified/redone. Cloud City and other SE shots are zoomed in.

  • Wipe to Tatooine from Cloud City has been retimed/redone.
  • In the transition to Theed, the last thin brown post gets thicker as it moves center to right of visible frame.
  • Pan down to Ewok village follows same zoomed in reframing as the SE added shots.

http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(2.05.48.08).jpg

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#1346060
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Return of the Jedi starts out with the SW zooming into the distance higher in frame, taking the crawl with it.
Then when they pan down to the moon of Endor they needed to re-time the pan (see DS), just at the end, to get to the same resting point.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.00.29.08)_Crawl_a.gif

Here are some of the finds in DIF-ROTJ 2004 vs 2019 found through 5/8th of the movie.

The left Imperial Officer had his shirt painted black to remove a bright spot from onset lighting:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.02.30.23).jpg

This might be a 2011 change, but R2’s dome has a frame realigned:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.05.38.17)_R2_a.gif

Several sequences of shots suffer from a form of stretching or scaling. In this shot of Jabba and Boushh, the right side of the frame is aligned but the left side goes out of alignment, which could mean zooming in/out. And yet a similar shot a few frames later is less affected by this stretching.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.14.52.22).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.15.00.23).jpg

This Luke/Bib shot suffers the same stretching/scaling but in the opposite direction, right is unaligned.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.23.17.01).jpg

A bunch of shots are realigned:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.33.19.06).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.33.30.05).jpg

This C-3po Barge Announcement Power Window might be a 2019 addition:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.31.31.22).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.32.00.17).jpg

But this type of power window seems to be removed from Jabba/Leia:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.25.52.19).jpg

The new scan brings back this electrical fires flares which in 2004 became a white blinding blob:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.34.00.23).jpg

But maybe HDR blows this detail back out.

Example of how blue 2004 was:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.14.22.13).jpg

In the middle of the movie, one of the multiple ship SFX shots got cleaned up.
Upper left SFX matte in 2004 left a white patch for a ship which never got inserted.
On the right they cut the shot, which in 2019 they extended to full width of the visible frame:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(0.48.26.03).jpg

One of the 2004 blue power windows when Luke and Leia are talking is removed in 2019:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.18.14.00).jpg

One of the Endor wipe shots got zoomed in more than usual:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.15.45.08).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019/DIF_06_ROTJ_2004-2019_(1.15.52.07).jpg

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#1344399
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Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy
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Reviewed the DIF of ESB 2004 vs 2019 and below are the significant items for consideration.

  1. Zoomed in reframing of the entire movie; Crawl to Credits. Results in a loss of picture of about 4.82%.
  2. Zoomed in reframing cuts off pertinent characters like when Leia says “I don’t think this is wise”.
  3. Reframing leaves the credit uncentered.
  4. The shot of Han about to be carbonited, which got a shirt recoloring in 2004, has now been zoomed out.
  5. A shadow was removed from the Bespin landing platform when Luke and Vader confront each other.
  6. Stabilization efforts affect the beginning and end of shots.

Details, pics and full list starts at: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/DIF-Difference-tool-to-spot-visual-changes-Current-2004-vs-2019/id/13179/page/3#1344390

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#1344395
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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ESB 2019 - AKA “Less Left”

0:00:29 - In 2019, The ‘Star Wars’ intro was zoomed in.

0:00:41 - In 2019, The Opening Crawl was zoomed in.

0:01:54 - In 2019, The opening shot of the Star Destroyer has a pan right added to the pan down. Note: This right of center location seems to be the overall placement for 70% film.

Note: The Probot segment at the beginning of the film is generally centered. Believe this is because they chose to leave SFX shots with just a zoomed in reframing.

Note 2: Wondering if this zoom in reframing is an outcome of the reframing of the Falcon interior shots in the previous generation.

0:05:55 - In 2019, Lucasfilm fixed the background red lights behind Han which shifted differently than the rest of the background.

0:06:04 - In 2019, many of the shots involved in the Han-Leia Hoth hall bickering have been reframed into the upper left corner.

0:07:51 - Reframing - Cuts off Rebel on the right at end of the shot.

0:20:12 - In 2019, Reframing cuts off part of the engines of the Vader Executor Star Destroyer.

0:27:16 - In 2019, first two frames of this General Veers shot has a modified framing from rest of the shot. Could this have been done to give an additional sense of movement/depth for the 3D, or is this a byproduct of a stabilization effort?

0:30:10 - Reframing - Radar Dish Gun gets clipped.

0:32:18 - Reframing - AT-AT head more cropped.

0:33:33 - In 2019, the Shield Generator explosion has been redone.

0:39:16 - ??? In 2019, Corrected bottom part of shot shift.

0:51:33 - In 2019, Lucasfilm corrected a frame shift of Leia.

0:53:05 - In 2019, The Special Edition Emperor shots are reframed left. Power Windowing may have been removed.

0:54:10 - In 2019, One of the frames of the new Emperor has a black eye.

1:00:16 - Reframing - Leia is cut off when she says: “I don’t think this is wise.”

1:02:46 - ??? In 2019, Yoda shifting a few frames is corrected. (Could be resolution scale issue of 2004.)

1:08:23 - In 2019, the Power Windowing of Luke’s face and center of frame has been modified or possibly undone.

1:10:59 - In 2019, the recoloring / power windowing of Luke’s face has been removed. (multiple shots)

1:15:48 - Reframing - C-3po looses an eye.

1:19:06 - In 2019, the end of the shot has a slight frame shit as Leia stares down Han upon arriving at Bespin.

1:25:05 - In 2019, shot stabilized as Ben and Yoda watch Luke leave Dagobah, Ben fades out.

1:26:45 - In 2011, Smoke and smelting embers were added.

1:27:46 - In 2019, end of shot of C-3po inactive in bin has last few frames stabilized.

1:34:57 - Reframing - Symmetry of shot, Stormtroopers flanking Vader, is disrupted by new framing.

1:36:02 - In 2019, shot of Han (with recolored shift) has been zoomed out to show more of Vader on the right.

1:44:00 - In 2019, the floor has been stabilized when Vader jumps down onto it attacking Luke in Bespin.

1:45:19 - Trampoline Luke still there.

1:47:23 - In 2019, Shot of Lando using the Bespin telecom has been stabilized.

1:50:01 - In 2019, The shadow across the Bespin weather vane platform has been removed.

1:51:39 - Reframing - Cuts off handrail light.

1:56:40 - In 2019, The beginning of the shot of Lando piloting the Falcon has been stabilized.

1:57:10 - In 2019, Vader’s helmet has been stabilized.

2:01:34 - In 2019, the last shot of the film is reframed differently, tight left.

2:02:06 - In 2019, the Credits were reframed to follow the wipe of the last shot which was reframed left. This leaves the credits off centered.

2:06:04 - In 2019, the Credits for ‘Industrial Light and Magic’ were retimed, but only until the ILM name leaves the screen, then credits realign with previous timing.

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#1344394
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.55.33.10).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.55.48.10).jpg

Blue Yoda!
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.55.48.10).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.55.58.17).jpg

A shot where the 2004 and 2019 are similar and return a mostly black image:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.15.48.19).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.49.04.04).jpg

And yet in this shot of Ben (SFX Ghost) is almost the same through the DIF process. Along with this R2-D2 shot:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.23.24.06).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.43.13.22).jpg

Here the walls and R2 have been left more or less untouched between variations, but the Bespin background, de-blued.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.40.19.10).jpg

Falcon selectively recolored.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.59.51.02).jpg

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#1344393
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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And a goofy post about the Collars :

The Blue Hue of Hoth:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.13.25.06).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.13.27.05).jpg

Selective “Face” Power Windowing: (Lobstering) [Like the Luke above]
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.26.04.02).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.25.52.09).jpg

Crushed Blacks:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.32.18.11).jpg

Here’s a possible double power window, the glow around Luke and Yoda, and because of a crushed black issue Luke’s face is also power windowed.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.08.23.14).jpg

Did they power window Chewie’s eyes? Leia too.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.27.08.08).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.35.58.18).jpg

Emperor’s power windowed eyes. (See 2019 is almost black)
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.54.10.22).jpg

Unaffected Shots:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.41.07.14).jpg

Colors around characters:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.47.22.04).jpg

Interesting that Luke’s face reacts differently than his arms.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.10.59.11).jpg

View out the Falcon windows windowed differently than the characters sitting inside and color shifted independently.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.18.38.12).jpg

Hoping that this selective stuff was not ported to 2019.

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#1344391
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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General post on ESB 2019 reframing examples:

Framing : Centered: (10%)
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.02.43.04).jpg

Framing : Top Left: (10%)
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.07.55.15).jpg

Framing : Middle Slight Right: (60%+)
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.24.05.11).jpg

Framing : Middle Left: SE Emperor Shots
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.53.05.22).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.53.12.00).jpg

Zoomed Out shot :
Inexplicitly the shot of Han awaiting carbonite freeze, the shot where they changed the color of his shirt has been zoomed out.
Probably to show more Vader on the right.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.36.02.20).jpg

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#1344390
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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DIF ESB 2004 vs 2019

Unlike SW and RotS, ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ for 2019 has been zoomed in and reframed for the entire movie. Generally 60%-70% of the movie has been shifted right. That seems to have been applied globally when they started then individual shots were reframed after that. There is one set of shots which was reframed top/left for multiple consequetive shots. SFX shots seem to have gotten special consideration and don’t follow the general overall reframing of the movie.

About 4.82% of the image seen in 2004 has been cut off. In the DIF images, we’ve added a yellow outline around 2019 so you can see the reduced visible image. Over the whole movie we chose a few edit points to show the alternative reframing, but didn’t get into reframing each shot.

Let’s start at the beginning:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.00.44.09).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.00.51.06).jpg

When reading the crawl if you are quick you will have to wait a little bit longer for the first and last letter of each line to show up.

And now jump to the end:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(2.02.07.08)-no_reframe.jpg

Unfortunately the reframing was carried through the credits so they are now no longer centered. The above image has the 2019 resized to match the 2004.

At first, thought I was making a mistake in my composition and conversion process, as nothing was lining up. Took a nights rest to realize that they would resize/reframe the entire movie. To check ran the ‘George Lucas Executive Producer’ (GLEP) credit through versions and films:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFMINI-GLEP_single.jpg

http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFMINI-GLEP_single.jpg (review full sized)
Seems as if it is only ESB in 2019 which is reframed/resized. (grey is 2019) ROTJ might be shifted but that’ll be for another day.
ANH lines up very well, but curious why they squeeze the font in 2011 and 2019.

Loosing part of the image means you loose part of the movie. Here are some example of things cut/clipped/lost.

The engines of Darth Vader’s Star Destroyer the Executioner get clipped:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.20.12.23).jpg

The Radar Dish Gun and C-3po’s foot and a handrail light get clipped:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(0.30.10.17).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.42.10.17).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.51.39.14).jpg

C-3po looses an eye:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.15.48.19).jpg

When Leia says the line “I don’t think this is wise” she goes out of frame.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.00.16.08).jpg

Vader entering the Carbon Freezing room used to have two centered flanking stormtroopers, the one on the left gets cut in 2019:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_05_ESB_2004-2019/DIF_05_ESB_2004-2019_(1.34.57.17).jpg

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#1344389
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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On the subject of Power Windows, i’m leaning towards most of the overt ones being not carried over to the 2019.
This Owen Lars example (used to follow his head) you can see the Power Window removed just from the unprocessed screen captures:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.17.52.18).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.17.54.08).jpg

Here’s the garbage mattes from the Humdinger Glitch shot:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.50.24.10)-HumdingerMattes.jpg

The garbage mattes are visible when no HDR is applied. So if a past corrected imperfection can be significantly addressed with an HDR contribution, why both to reapply the Power Windows in this 2019 re-scan. Some of the ones identified seem to originate with what the colorist was given, as there were crushed blacks and other things, the power windows were done to address that color correction.

You can listen to the 2004 ANH Colorist talk about his use of Power Windows in MixingLight.com podcast:
https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/color-restoration-hollywood-interview-marc-wielage/
Fastforward to ~37:15 which is at the end of the SW discussion which starts around ~33:30.

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#1340187
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Starting ROTS, they’ve added a frame to the end of the “Do what must be done, Lord Vader” shot (~1:18:30), then pulled out a frame from the “other separatist leaders” shot (~1:18:53).

~0:00:41 - In 2019, A pixel or two has been cropped off in the vertical dimension.

~0:46:00 - In 2019, the glow (power window) applied to Anakin in 2005 was removed.

~1:18:30 - In 2019, Additional frame added to end of shot of Anakin talking to Sidious/Palpatine.

~1:18:53 - In 2019, Frame removed at beginning of shot of Anakin looking at sitting Sidious/Palpatine.

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#1340181
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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This grouping relates to the Fake Shake shots when Han and Luke shot down the Ties after fleeing the DS.

In 2019, the fake shakes are still there untouched but before and after the framing has been modified, sometimes just for a few frames. This first example Han starts reframed, then centers back to normal (the fake shakes are applied) then as the shot ends it gets reframed again which goes into Luke reframed, then centered to normal for the original fake shakes.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.34.24.20)_a.jpg

My initial guess is possibly this is a trick for the 3D presentation. To create additional sense of movement, the beginning and end of shots were moved to …provide more sense of movement.

But a few shots later a new trick emerges. Han moves but the background stays the same, but just for the last frame. In this animated image we give the end of the shot, hold on the weird frame, then toggle between the last two frames. Check out the the red and white lights in the lower left of the 2019.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.34.51.14)_a.jpg
Could this be a mechanical process result. Remember when OCP was doing Twixor tests and the last frame would be weird because it didn’t have a next frame to interpolate. But this seems more deliberate as if they chose to isolate moving Han and lock down the background. Again maybe this gives an effect in 3D.

Stabilization could be the cause of the next shifted example:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.36.59.01)_a.jpg
Multiple shots have the beginning or end shifted but then the shot returns to it’s normal location.

Note: check out the Humdinger Glitch shot without HDR, looks like you can see the garbage mattes again.

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#1340175
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Is ‘Power Windows’ the official term?

Here’s that Luke Cantina Power Window in action and de-action:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.45.32.05)_a.jpg

Here’s the post Jabba re-timed wipe. In 2004 it’s 3po, in 2019 it’s Boba to the left of Obi.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.54.10.22).jpg

Another example of the different pixel aspect ratios between variations:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.03.14.03).jpg

In one frame of the Death Star approach shot, two frames got doubled up:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.04.45.12).jpg

Lucasfilm recolored one of the bulkheads when Luke and Leia swing: (3 shots)
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.29.09.05).jpg
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.29.10.14).jpg
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.29.11.00).jpg

When is a shot purposefully reframed?
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.32.21.22).jpg

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#1340050
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Starting to DIF the 2019 variation comparing to the be all end all 2004 variation.

Full results of SW posted at:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Changes-to-the-Disney-2019-SE-of-the-Original-Trilogy/id/72130/page/2#1338831
Or review in the Shot List: (adding the things found by doubleofive, yotsuya, etc. anything I can verify)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r9I1lIQWUQpnTbZGaoKTzBr4pqPXTRmCtniXPda8Dwg/edit?usp=sharing

Will start to give an overview of the results with examples.
Note: the 2019 pics do not have proper HDR so think twice about typing about any color issues
In an ideal world the DIF results would look mostly like this:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.28.33.09).jpg
In this example the framing is almost perfect between versions. Multiple parts of the image are returning black as if both versions have the same color.

But most of the 2004-2019 DIF look like this:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.05.44.15).jpg
The white edges show how the image has been reframed.

And at what point is the reframing done on purpose?
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.55.23.11).jpg

On the subject of reframing, the new scan may have a different pixel aspect ratio for certain shot. In the next image the left side of frame is aligned between variations (3po is dark), but as you travel right, everything gets further off (the white borders get wider):
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.34.08.20).jpg

And some shots are zoomed in or out:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.42.45.07).jpg
Not sure why you’d want to cut more of R2 off. This shot is part of a wipe so maybe the zoom was for the next shot:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.42.49.13).jpg

http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.20.47.00).jpg
This next example looks like a color change maybe done to enhance the perception of depth for the 3D release which didn’t happen. Look at the color of the top wing of the Sky Hopper to the left of 3po. Notice how much of the DIF image is black except for the Sky Hopper. This happens consistently in this sequence about 24 shots were changed. Here’s a second example:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.21.08.20).jpg
See the center of frame in the DIF image has the same light value return. In the 2004 the top of the Sky Hopper wing is a much darker color.

http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.32.04.20).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.32.06.09).jpg
For 2019, a slight pan was added to the find 3po’s arm shot. In the first image you can see the offset between variations, but a few frames later 3po’s arms between variations align.

Added Glows. To compensate for the crushed black, I think shots in the 2004 had an artificial glow bubbled around key elements: Luke’s got one here at the Sandcrawler:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.39.46.06).jpg

Here’s a glow in the cantina, might be for Bo Shek:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.45.06.03).jpg

Also in the cantina, Luke got one and this one fades out as Luke walks down the steps:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.45.32.05).jpg

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#1339749
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May 2004 Be With You
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So it turned out the initial 9 year “May 2004 Be With You Always” anniversary, of the first post, was one year too late as the Reliant scan for the 2019 variation occurred in 2012. But hey it’s May so maybe 2004 can be remembered by you always… sometimes? Have you preserved your 2004 today? A few months in the near future the amount of time the 2004 was the be all end all (2004 thru 2012 = 8 years) will be surpassed by that scans lifetime (2012 thru 2020 = 8 years) which put 2004 in the grave, even though no one in the public would know for another seven years. But heck when was 2004 officially started on? Maybe we won’t reached that crossing point until next year, just in time for some other cockamamie anniversary.
Always yours 2004, none

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#1338831
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Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy
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2004 - 2019 Comparison using DIFF

Tracking changes in the Shot List v0.6.01
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r9I1lIQWUQpnTbZGaoKTzBr4pqPXTRmCtniXPda8Dwg/edit?usp=sharing

Create list of items from 1977 which are still M.I.A.

The DIFF project can help explore the sources for the 2019 variations.

  1. Some shots are reframed. These are assumed to be a rescan from the original negative or at the least a piece of film. (the latest probably from the 97SE) Some of these rescanned shots have a slight different square pixel ratio. For example a shot might have the same left frame edge relationship to something in the frame but the right side is expanded, yet is contained in the same overall frame width.

  2. Some shots have the same framing almost exact. These are assumed to be not rescanned from a piece of film but Lucasfilm went back to a digital source when starting to 4K the shot. [but this is not completely true found some shots which deviate from this logic, the Aurebesh addition or DS explosion for example]

  3. Are there things which might help identify when a change which was done for the 3D conversion?

All times are approximate, but once the deviation is determined should be added or subtracted from the rest to whatever timeline you are working with.

~0:17:52 - Halo around Owen’s head removed

~0:19:41 - Reel 1 fade length is different.

~0:21:08 - In 2019, as part of the 3D conversion to add depth, the color of the far background and top sail of the Sky Hopper have been recolored. (this is the first shot in the Leia Hologram scene)

~0:26:56 - In 2019, the recolored sky has left some very clean edges around Luke and 3po’s face.

~0:27:46 - In 2019, the Landspeeder shots were digitally recomposited again?

~0:32:04 - In 2019, they added a pan to Luke finding 3po’s arm.

~0:42:43 - In 2019, Group looking at Mos Eisley is partially zoomed in. As this shot is part of wipe, the next shot, landspeeder entering Mos Eisley, is also zoomed in.

~0:45:06 - In 2019, Wide cantina shot, there is an odd brightening near Bo Shek.

~0:45:33 - In 2019, Wide shot Luke and 3po entering cantina, Luke’s head has been brightened at the beginning of the shot. General halo glow.

~0:49:19 - Close up of Ben an example of a shifted shot

~0:51:16 - Odd brightness halo…

~0:52:12 - In 2019, additional two engine space craft seen moving (up and right) in the right side opening at the beginning of the shot.

~0:52:38 - In 2019, the iris wipe to the Jabba scene has been redone. Softened. Possibly lasts one frame longer.

~0:54:10 - In 2019, the right to left wipe out of the Jabba scene was redone. End of wipe is the same but starts at a different point, compare when the wipe crosses Boba and 3po.

~0:55:22 - In 2019, shot of Han (close up) shooting back at stormtroopers while running into the Falcon is frame shifted to the right more than other reframing in the 2019 variation.

~0:56:12 - Matte lines around Star Destroyers

~0:56:14 - Luke’s hair in and out of blue screen

~1:01:17 - In 2019, this shot (Han close up watching Luke with lightsaber) was shift right. Hypothesis to remove some of the far distance part of the shot to reduce 3D depth work.

~1:04:44 - In 2019, one frame of this shot, out the Falcon window of the Death Star, is a composite of two frames.

~1:12:46 - In 2019, Shot shifted left, Stormtrooper Han and Luke walk Chewie following two Imperial Officers. On far right, previous 4 wall light panels, in 2019 there are now 5.

~1:13:01 - Pulsing of lights in the Death Star matte painting still do not pulse as they did in 1977 as trio waits for elevator to Detention Center.

~1:14:09 - In 2019, shot is pulled back. First shot of Imperial Officers in Detention Center.

~1:17:13 - In 2019, shot is reframed left. Chewie then pan to Han, get behind me.

Could this reframing issue be related to the ‘A’ and ‘B’ roll of the original negative? or is this irrelevant, since the scan was done from separation masters which might not have been the ‘A’ and ‘B’ rolls?

~1:21:45 - In 2019, when Chewie pushes against the compactor walls, the bottom of frame used to have a red bleeding from onset over lighting, this has been revised to a black fade.

~1:26:41 - In 20019, shot reframed left, when Ben’s is deactivating the tractor beam.

~1:29:09 - In 2019, the background matte painting of hanging objects has been recolored to match others as Luke and Leia swing across the chasm. Three shots.

~1:30:26 - In 2019, Lightsaber flashes, figure out if they were recomped for the 4K or is it just a rescan.

~1:32:20 - In 2019, shot reframed left to center Obi before Vader cuts him down.

~1:34:24 - In 2019, an additional frame jog occurs early in this shot which has fake shake. The later fake shake is that same as 2004. The early shake/jog is a new 2019 change. Similar thing done to both Han and Luke shots. Last frame of Luke shot is purposefully shifted.

~1:34:51 - In 2019, Han, in the last frame of this shot is altered. The background panning stops and Han continues to move but differently than previous versions.

~1:35:20 - In 2019, Han, in the last frame of this shot is altered. The background panning stops and Han continues to move. Second case.
Note: is this some 3D perception trick?

~1:35:22 - In 2019, Han, in the last frame of this shot is altered. The background panning stops and Han continues to move. Third case.

~1:35:24 - In 2019, Last frame of the shot the background remains where it is while Luke continues to move. In the past the background moved. Fourth case.

~1:35:27 - In 2019, the first frame of Luke ‘I got him!’ shot is warped differently than previous variations. Fifth case.

~1:35:44 - In 2019, the first frame of Han has a different framing than previous version. Sixth case.

doubleofive : in the Digital Bits article the ~1:35:48 shot of the approaching Tie fighter (page 6) the 77 and 11 screen shots might be from a shot a few shots earlier which has the tie fighter still off center in 2019.

~1:35:49 - In 2019, The first three frames of shit Luke shot have been reframed, then the shot returns to a similar location seen in previous variations. Seventh case.

~1:35:56 - In 2019, the first two frames of this Han shot have been reframed, then the shot returns to a similar location seen in previous variations. Eighth case.

~1:37:22 - In 2019, Artificial reframing pan happens over the first 10 - 15 frames, when Leia leaves and Luke talks to Han about her.

~1:37:52 - In 2019, Shot reframed with a pan early in the shot, then returns to previous variation location.

~1:37:57 - In 2019, Shot, Luke, reframed with a pan, could this be a byproduct of some stabilization?

~1:37:58 - In 2019, Shot, Han, reframed with a pan, could this be a byproduct of some stabilization?

~1:38:32 - In 2019, the live action portion of the overall Rebel Base shot flexes differently that previous variations. Probably just a re-scanning issue.

~1:38:37 - In 2019, shot contains more left of frame, Rebel Hangar.

~1:46:05 - In 2019, beginning of shot contains a slight shifting possibly due to a stabilization effort. Luke’s head moved semi-independently?

Are shots which match exactly a sign of shots which were redone at a certain point in time and they did not go back to original negative or some pieces of film. Question if that break point is the 1997 or the 2004.

~1:47:07 - In 2019, Blue Leader is reshifted for the first few frames, then realigns with earlier variations of this shot.

~1:47:22 - In 2019, Porkins is reshifted for the first few frames, then realigns with earlier variations of this shot.

~1:48:43 - In 2019, Luke cockpit shot and next special effect shot are shift left.

~1:49:34 - In 2019, last frame of Vader in Tie Cockpit, shifts differently than previous variations. This seems like an automation process which because it doesn’t have another frame to analyze makes some determination which places things a few pixels differently.

~1:50:24 - In 2019, garbage mattes return to Humdinger Glitch shot. Maybe they don’t show using the correct HDR.

~1:55:09 - In 2019, Luke’s head moves differently than the background for the last frame of this cockpit shot.

In 2019, the credit rescan moved them a bit, there is a vertical aspect ratio affect. In the center of the frame things align but above and below they stretch.

Additional clarification with pics may happen in the DIFF thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/DIF-Difference-tool-to-spot-visual-changes-SW2004-2011/id/13179

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#1333292
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WIRED's Article "Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts", doubleofive's Magnum Opus
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cough Nine Years! cough
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Sources-on-the-Special-Edition/id/12849/page/1
Congrats on perseverance and continuously tweaking the presentation until you captured a more mainstream audience. George would be proud. (kidding!)

Contact Kaminski and see if you can get the article added to https://savestarwars.com/