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#1340181
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DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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This grouping relates to the Fake Shake shots when Han and Luke shot down the Ties after fleeing the DS.

In 2019, the fake shakes are still there untouched but before and after the framing has been modified, sometimes just for a few frames. This first example Han starts reframed, then centers back to normal (the fake shakes are applied) then as the shot ends it gets reframed again which goes into Luke reframed, then centered to normal for the original fake shakes.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.34.24.20)_a.jpg

My initial guess is possibly this is a trick for the 3D presentation. To create additional sense of movement, the beginning and end of shots were moved to …provide more sense of movement.

But a few shots later a new trick emerges. Han moves but the background stays the same, but just for the last frame. In this animated image we give the end of the shot, hold on the weird frame, then toggle between the last two frames. Check out the the red and white lights in the lower left of the 2019.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.34.51.14)_a.jpg
Could this be a mechanical process result. Remember when OCP was doing Twixor tests and the last frame would be weird because it didn’t have a next frame to interpolate. But this seems more deliberate as if they chose to isolate moving Han and lock down the background. Again maybe this gives an effect in 3D.

Stabilization could be the cause of the next shifted example:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.36.59.01)_a.jpg
Multiple shots have the beginning or end shifted but then the shot returns to it’s normal location.

Note: check out the Humdinger Glitch shot without HDR, looks like you can see the garbage mattes again.

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#1340175
Topic
DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Is ‘Power Windows’ the official term?

Here’s that Luke Cantina Power Window in action and de-action:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.45.32.05)_a.jpg

Here’s the post Jabba re-timed wipe. In 2004 it’s 3po, in 2019 it’s Boba to the left of Obi.
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.54.10.22).jpg

Another example of the different pixel aspect ratios between variations:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.03.14.03).jpg

In one frame of the Death Star approach shot, two frames got doubled up:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.04.45.12).jpg

Lucasfilm recolored one of the bulkheads when Luke and Leia swing: (3 shots)
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.29.09.05).jpg
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.29.10.14).jpg
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.29.11.00).jpg

When is a shot purposefully reframed?
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.32.21.22).jpg

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#1340050
Topic
DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
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Starting to DIF the 2019 variation comparing to the be all end all 2004 variation.

Full results of SW posted at:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Changes-to-the-Disney-2019-SE-of-the-Original-Trilogy/id/72130/page/2#1338831
Or review in the Shot List: (adding the things found by doubleofive, yotsuya, etc. anything I can verify)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r9I1lIQWUQpnTbZGaoKTzBr4pqPXTRmCtniXPda8Dwg/edit?usp=sharing

Will start to give an overview of the results with examples.
Note: the 2019 pics do not have proper HDR so think twice about typing about any color issues
In an ideal world the DIF results would look mostly like this:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(1.28.33.09).jpg
In this example the framing is almost perfect between versions. Multiple parts of the image are returning black as if both versions have the same color.

But most of the 2004-2019 DIF look like this:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.05.44.15).jpg
The white edges show how the image has been reframed.

And at what point is the reframing done on purpose?
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.55.23.11).jpg

On the subject of reframing, the new scan may have a different pixel aspect ratio for certain shot. In the next image the left side of frame is aligned between variations (3po is dark), but as you travel right, everything gets further off (the white borders get wider):
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.34.08.20).jpg

And some shots are zoomed in or out:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.42.45.07).jpg
Not sure why you’d want to cut more of R2 off. This shot is part of a wipe so maybe the zoom was for the next shot:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.42.49.13).jpg

http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.20.47.00).jpg
This next example looks like a color change maybe done to enhance the perception of depth for the 3D release which didn’t happen. Look at the color of the top wing of the Sky Hopper to the left of 3po. Notice how much of the DIF image is black except for the Sky Hopper. This happens consistently in this sequence about 24 shots were changed. Here’s a second example:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.21.08.20).jpg
See the center of frame in the DIF image has the same light value return. In the 2004 the top of the Sky Hopper wing is a much darker color.

http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.32.04.20).jpg http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.32.06.09).jpg
For 2019, a slight pan was added to the find 3po’s arm shot. In the first image you can see the offset between variations, but a few frames later 3po’s arms between variations align.

Added Glows. To compensate for the crushed black, I think shots in the 2004 had an artificial glow bubbled around key elements: Luke’s got one here at the Sandcrawler:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.39.46.06).jpg

Here’s a glow in the cantina, might be for Bo Shek:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.45.06.03).jpg

Also in the cantina, Luke got one and this one fades out as Luke walks down the steps:
http://fd.noneinc.com/DIF-2004vs2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019/DIFF_04_ANH_2004-2019_(0.45.32.05).jpg

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#1339749
Topic
May 2004 Be With You
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So it turned out the initial 9 year “May 2004 Be With You Always” anniversary, of the first post, was one year too late as the Reliant scan for the 2019 variation occurred in 2012. But hey it’s May so maybe 2004 can be remembered by you always… sometimes? Have you preserved your 2004 today? A few months in the near future the amount of time the 2004 was the be all end all (2004 thru 2012 = 8 years) will be surpassed by that scans lifetime (2012 thru 2020 = 8 years) which put 2004 in the grave, even though no one in the public would know for another seven years. But heck when was 2004 officially started on? Maybe we won’t reached that crossing point until next year, just in time for some other cockamamie anniversary.
Always yours 2004, none

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#1338831
Topic
Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy
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2004 - 2019 Comparison using DIFF

Tracking changes in the Shot List v0.6.01
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r9I1lIQWUQpnTbZGaoKTzBr4pqPXTRmCtniXPda8Dwg/edit?usp=sharing

Create list of items from 1977 which are still M.I.A.

The DIFF project can help explore the sources for the 2019 variations.

  1. Some shots are reframed. These are assumed to be a rescan from the original negative or at the least a piece of film. (the latest probably from the 97SE) Some of these rescanned shots have a slight different square pixel ratio. For example a shot might have the same left frame edge relationship to something in the frame but the right side is expanded, yet is contained in the same overall frame width.

  2. Some shots have the same framing almost exact. These are assumed to be not rescanned from a piece of film but Lucasfilm went back to a digital source when starting to 4K the shot. [but this is not completely true found some shots which deviate from this logic, the Aurebesh addition or DS explosion for example]

  3. Are there things which might help identify when a change which was done for the 3D conversion?

All times are approximate, but once the deviation is determined should be added or subtracted from the rest to whatever timeline you are working with.

~0:17:52 - Halo around Owen’s head removed

~0:19:41 - Reel 1 fade length is different.

~0:21:08 - In 2019, as part of the 3D conversion to add depth, the color of the far background and top sail of the Sky Hopper have been recolored. (this is the first shot in the Leia Hologram scene)

~0:26:56 - In 2019, the recolored sky has left some very clean edges around Luke and 3po’s face.

~0:27:46 - In 2019, the Landspeeder shots were digitally recomposited again?

~0:32:04 - In 2019, they added a pan to Luke finding 3po’s arm.

~0:42:43 - In 2019, Group looking at Mos Eisley is partially zoomed in. As this shot is part of wipe, the next shot, landspeeder entering Mos Eisley, is also zoomed in.

~0:45:06 - In 2019, Wide cantina shot, there is an odd brightening near Bo Shek.

~0:45:33 - In 2019, Wide shot Luke and 3po entering cantina, Luke’s head has been brightened at the beginning of the shot. General halo glow.

~0:49:19 - Close up of Ben an example of a shifted shot

~0:51:16 - Odd brightness halo…

~0:52:12 - In 2019, additional two engine space craft seen moving (up and right) in the right side opening at the beginning of the shot.

~0:52:38 - In 2019, the iris wipe to the Jabba scene has been redone. Softened. Possibly lasts one frame longer.

~0:54:10 - In 2019, the right to left wipe out of the Jabba scene was redone. End of wipe is the same but starts at a different point, compare when the wipe crosses Boba and 3po.

~0:55:22 - In 2019, shot of Han (close up) shooting back at stormtroopers while running into the Falcon is frame shifted to the right more than other reframing in the 2019 variation.

~0:56:12 - Matte lines around Star Destroyers

~0:56:14 - Luke’s hair in and out of blue screen

~1:01:17 - In 2019, this shot (Han close up watching Luke with lightsaber) was shift right. Hypothesis to remove some of the far distance part of the shot to reduce 3D depth work.

~1:04:44 - In 2019, one frame of this shot, out the Falcon window of the Death Star, is a composite of two frames.

~1:12:46 - In 2019, Shot shifted left, Stormtrooper Han and Luke walk Chewie following two Imperial Officers. On far right, previous 4 wall light panels, in 2019 there are now 5.

~1:13:01 - Pulsing of lights in the Death Star matte painting still do not pulse as they did in 1977 as trio waits for elevator to Detention Center.

~1:14:09 - In 2019, shot is pulled back. First shot of Imperial Officers in Detention Center.

~1:17:13 - In 2019, shot is reframed left. Chewie then pan to Han, get behind me.

Could this reframing issue be related to the ‘A’ and ‘B’ roll of the original negative? or is this irrelevant, since the scan was done from separation masters which might not have been the ‘A’ and ‘B’ rolls?

~1:21:45 - In 2019, when Chewie pushes against the compactor walls, the bottom of frame used to have a red bleeding from onset over lighting, this has been revised to a black fade.

~1:26:41 - In 20019, shot reframed left, when Ben’s is deactivating the tractor beam.

~1:29:09 - In 2019, the background matte painting of hanging objects has been recolored to match others as Luke and Leia swing across the chasm. Three shots.

~1:30:26 - In 2019, Lightsaber flashes, figure out if they were recomped for the 4K or is it just a rescan.

~1:32:20 - In 2019, shot reframed left to center Obi before Vader cuts him down.

~1:34:24 - In 2019, an additional frame jog occurs early in this shot which has fake shake. The later fake shake is that same as 2004. The early shake/jog is a new 2019 change. Similar thing done to both Han and Luke shots. Last frame of Luke shot is purposefully shifted.

~1:34:51 - In 2019, Han, in the last frame of this shot is altered. The background panning stops and Han continues to move but differently than previous versions.

~1:35:20 - In 2019, Han, in the last frame of this shot is altered. The background panning stops and Han continues to move. Second case.
Note: is this some 3D perception trick?

~1:35:22 - In 2019, Han, in the last frame of this shot is altered. The background panning stops and Han continues to move. Third case.

~1:35:24 - In 2019, Last frame of the shot the background remains where it is while Luke continues to move. In the past the background moved. Fourth case.

~1:35:27 - In 2019, the first frame of Luke ‘I got him!’ shot is warped differently than previous variations. Fifth case.

~1:35:44 - In 2019, the first frame of Han has a different framing than previous version. Sixth case.

doubleofive : in the Digital Bits article the ~1:35:48 shot of the approaching Tie fighter (page 6) the 77 and 11 screen shots might be from a shot a few shots earlier which has the tie fighter still off center in 2019.

~1:35:49 - In 2019, The first three frames of shit Luke shot have been reframed, then the shot returns to a similar location seen in previous variations. Seventh case.

~1:35:56 - In 2019, the first two frames of this Han shot have been reframed, then the shot returns to a similar location seen in previous variations. Eighth case.

~1:37:22 - In 2019, Artificial reframing pan happens over the first 10 - 15 frames, when Leia leaves and Luke talks to Han about her.

~1:37:52 - In 2019, Shot reframed with a pan early in the shot, then returns to previous variation location.

~1:37:57 - In 2019, Shot, Luke, reframed with a pan, could this be a byproduct of some stabilization?

~1:37:58 - In 2019, Shot, Han, reframed with a pan, could this be a byproduct of some stabilization?

~1:38:32 - In 2019, the live action portion of the overall Rebel Base shot flexes differently that previous variations. Probably just a re-scanning issue.

~1:38:37 - In 2019, shot contains more left of frame, Rebel Hangar.

~1:46:05 - In 2019, beginning of shot contains a slight shifting possibly due to a stabilization effort. Luke’s head moved semi-independently?

Are shots which match exactly a sign of shots which were redone at a certain point in time and they did not go back to original negative or some pieces of film. Question if that break point is the 1997 or the 2004.

~1:47:07 - In 2019, Blue Leader is reshifted for the first few frames, then realigns with earlier variations of this shot.

~1:47:22 - In 2019, Porkins is reshifted for the first few frames, then realigns with earlier variations of this shot.

~1:48:43 - In 2019, Luke cockpit shot and next special effect shot are shift left.

~1:49:34 - In 2019, last frame of Vader in Tie Cockpit, shifts differently than previous variations. This seems like an automation process which because it doesn’t have another frame to analyze makes some determination which places things a few pixels differently.

~1:50:24 - In 2019, garbage mattes return to Humdinger Glitch shot. Maybe they don’t show using the correct HDR.

~1:55:09 - In 2019, Luke’s head moves differently than the background for the last frame of this cockpit shot.

In 2019, the credit rescan moved them a bit, there is a vertical aspect ratio affect. In the center of the frame things align but above and below they stretch.

Additional clarification with pics may happen in the DIFF thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/DIF-Difference-tool-to-spot-visual-changes-SW2004-2011/id/13179

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#1333292
Topic
WIRED's Article "Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts", doubleofive's Magnum Opus
Time

cough Nine Years! cough
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Sources-on-the-Special-Edition/id/12849/page/1
Congrats on perseverance and continuously tweaking the presentation until you captured a more mainstream audience. George would be proud. (kidding!)

Contact Kaminski and see if you can get the article added to https://savestarwars.com/

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#1332439
Topic
Reel Reviews - from :F:D: & TN1
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Welcome to ‘Reel Review’ the project which documents the Edge Code (think film D.N.A.) and other ephemera of 35mm prints and renders those building blocks back into the Visible Frame, which we are all so familiar with.

To put it differently, the Visible Frame makes up about 60% of a piece of film (which without a doubt is the heart and soul) but the other 40% has stories to tell and this project is working toward unearthing those pieces of history.

For Version 1 (Reel Reviews RR-0001, RR-0002, RR-0003, RR-0004, RR-0005 & RR-0006) we’ll start with a ‘Star Wars’
[Print (Family) Identification Number : 180615; Production Year : 1983; Film Type : LPP; Reels 1 thru 6; Sound Type : Dolby Stereo; Language : Spanish]

http://fd.noneinc.com/ReelReview/ReelReview.html … [Explanation]
http://fd.noneinc.com/ReelReview/ReelReview-Media.html … [Video]
http://fd.noneinc.com/ReelReview/ReelReview-Features-001.html … [Highlights]

Poke around, check out your favorite scene or shot. This was all new to me so there will be corrections to make as people begin to point out things to us.

Thanks, to team negative1 for lending us the prints, equipment and enthusiasm to under take these reviews, and everyone who appreciates the ‘Reel Reviews’ and whatever comes out next because of them.

Cheers,
none

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#1327992
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'Thee Backslacpkping With Media'
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The tBSWM_Video.html website was built upon a Shockwave player which most browsers default to not auto-playing. But the embedded video files are still there, under each chapter is a “Download .mp4 or .ogv”.
Or download all here: http://noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/
If you are looking for the full DVD it gets posted to alt.binaries.starwars every few years, there is a version sitting at 845 days.

Edit: For what will probably be a limited time, the RARs are re-available. Read the FAQ, Blynth.

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#1327368
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Leigh Brackett's first draft of Empire
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FYI: Craig Miller is the person who wrote much of Bantha Tracks and in his book he’s got the full transcripts of the interviews which were conducted for the publication. The order of the questions and some of the words (because the interviews were conducted in different times) are expanded/contracted. He then in a next chapter helps explain why certain things are said verses what we had been lead to believe.
For those who use facebook, going through his account might surface some stuff.

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#1327315
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Leigh Brackett's first draft of Empire
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On the early evolving story days, in Craig Miller’s book (pg.382) it is said that Fett was to be the main villain for a movie and that the emperor wouldn’t be shown until the sequel trilogy which was about (pg.375) which ever character survives movie ‘Three’. It really sounds like George/Kurtz/et al were conceptualizing writing everyone out. Harrison in carbonite, ‘the other’ could move Hamill out. Fett makes Prowse expendable. The above ‘Leia badly scarred’ seems like the way to move Carrie out.

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#1325988
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Leigh Brackett's first draft of Empire
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Leigh Brackett’s Longhand Outline for The Empire Strikes Back: [From Craig Miller’s biography “Star Wars Memories”
Leigh Brackett's Longhand Outline for The Empire Strikes Back
High resolution (but don’t expect anything to be legible) version
http://fd.noneinc.com/scripts/CraigMiller-StarWarsMemories_pg165-LeighBrackettESBOutline.JPG

Maybe this surfaced at an auction and there might be a better res pic out there.
Looking forward to reading which notes made it into the draft to understand where ideas surfaced from the story meeting and which she created to work out the story development.

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#1325601
Topic
Leigh Brackett's first draft of Empire
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In Craig Miller’s “Star Wars Memories” page 165 there is an image of “Leigh Brackett’s Longhand Outline for The Empire Strikes Back”. It is explained that she created the outline after listening to Lucas and Kurtz explain their ideas in the pitch meeting. Has anyone seen this image in a readable form? The image version in the book is too small to read, the document is three pages, full of handwritten notes, one for each act.

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#1323539
Topic
Info: The Force Awakens - Home Video Version; NOT Theatrical Cut - differences?
Time

The pattern might be Domestic English verse Foreign English variations. At some point they need to lock the video and audio so the foreign language variations can be made. Some of those foreign language variations might use the English audio and just add language subtitles. So that’s a version A. The Domestic English, version B, depending on scheduling of producing a higher number of units to ship to theaters might permit the production team to made additional changes. So as the trend towards home release is for the removal of the topics identified in this thread, that maybe the US domestic audio mix, and the ones with the sounds came from a foreign version mix. Going to take some digging into the sources to understand better, if it can be figured out where the recordings originated. The problem that is starting to happen is the sites where they came from are starting to disappear. The ones listed in the TPP tread I tried to save the webpage where I learned of them.

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#1322888
Topic
35mm sourced PAL DVD of Revenge of the Sith 576i “TUN” DVD (with cue marks)
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Thanks for the link to the TPP thread, oojason.

Here is the .nfo for the TUN release of Revenge of the Sith: (note the release type is different than the current topic heading, 3 SVCD not DVD.)

	



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The versions mentioned in the TPP thread are generally no longer found in the normal web. They are every few years uploaded to alt.binaries.starwars by random people who appreciate them. The TUN you seek is currently sitting at 991day old. So five bucks or so for a month of usenet providership will cover you. Usenet providers lately have upped their retention to several thousand days, which covers the entire sequel era, btw.

Post
#1322706
Topic
Info: The Force Awakens - Home Video Version; NOT Theatrical Cut - differences?
Time

On the dialog between Bazine Netal and Grummgar, this shot:
alt text

There is dialog along the lines of: BN"Ahhchi mAnnutt" G"growls" in the following TPPs:
TRUEFRENCH/ETERNiTY/ViVi, HQMic/CPG (English), Geen, Spanish, Ac3-GN2, Hindi, iExTV, Tamil, German, HUN and DUBLADO.
Not present in CPG, unmarked/vain, iNFERNO, LiNE-CHeWbacca and Italian.
Not present in BR of English, French dialog mixes.
But is heard in the German BR. (58:10) [NOTE: This source is being reviewed, see next bunch of posts. Might be a mixed source the audio originating from a line-in recording from the theaters]

Thanks for putting to use this horrible collection.

On the BB-8 topic: the Teaser Trailer has the same shot but a different longer BB-8 dialog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww (FFW to 0:29) [Note: This was mentioned in the first bunch of posts in this thread. Knew it sounded familiar, but can at least contribute that the dialog is different.]

Post
#1322514
Topic
Info: The Force Awakens - Home Video Version; NOT Theatrical Cut - differences?
Time

There are audience recordings of the credits (parts) for most of the recent movies on public video sites to help corroborate the evidence. When looking if you find a user with something similar, search through their uploads and you might find additional relevant videos. Make sure the upload is prior to the home video or cable versions.

Star Wars The Force Awakens Premiere - End credits audience reaction - Paris Grand Rex (JJ Abrahms to Executive Producers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZDzvbTx2Nk

The Force Awakens credits (Daisy Ridley to John Boyega)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRP9osI5iZU

Ending credits of The Force Awakens! (Contains the end 0:43 seconds until the Bad Robot)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhvVZuRMw5I

In things i’ve download and can no longer find online:
STAR WARS THE FORCE AWAKENS PART OF CREDITS LEAKED FOOTAGE!!! (Contains Max Von Sydow to Dave Chapman)

Post
#1322283
Topic
Info: The Force Awakens - Home Video Version; NOT Theatrical Cut - differences?
Time

Talking about this BB8 shot:
alt text

I’m hearing different things between sources and language mixes. One is a higher normal sounding BB8 tone (almost like a sneeze) [when BB8 turns towards the camera] while the later; there is something there but it is all base, a low ‘woOoo’.

English/French BR has the woOoo. German BR has the sneeze. [NOTE: This source is being reviewed, see next bunch of posts. Might be a mixed source the audio originating from a line-in recording from the theaters]

TRUEFRENCH/English (UNMARKED/Ac3-GN2/HQMic)/Russian/Spanish/Italian/German/Hindi/Tamil TPPs have the sneeze. English (CPG/unmarked-VAIN/iNFERNO/LiNE-CHeWbacca) TPPs have the woOoo.

Post
#1322037
Topic
Theater Performance Preservations
Time
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker

Video sources:
01. GETB8 - steady cam (LFL Logo) (Italian ALTA) (Italian Crawl - English Subtitle translation) - (No Credits) [Length = 2:13:02]
(Advert Subs 0:00:00 English, 0:02:08 Arabic, 0:02:56 Portuguese, 0:03:33 Thai; 0:35:15; 01:24:40) (Advert Insert 0:07:34, 01:03:22) (Advert Drop Over 0:09:48, 01:57:30)
02. Chinese Source B. (mislabeled? KORSUB) - steady cam (LFL Logo) (English ALTA) (Chinese Subtitles) No Translation under 'Star Wars' (Credits until start of scrolling ones) [Length = 2:14:09]
03. ERTG (GETB8 without insert and drop over ads)
04. Chinese (Simplified?) Source A. (No LFL Logo) Translation under 'Star Wars' [Length = 2:12:06]
05. Stollenwurm - (Close to original Chinese source contains intro screen blurred) - (provided full Credits music even though they didn't have the full credits video) [Length = 2:21:24]

Audio sources:
01. English A. - (GETB8) (very clean)
02. Voice Over (Звёздные войны Скайуокер. Восход фильм (2019) смотреть онлай.)
03. Hindi A. (SSRmovies)
04. Italian A.
05. German A.

Subtitles:
01. Chinese (Official - Mandarin Simplified Mainland China? & Hong Kong?)
02.

2019.12.16 - Day before Premiere
Pics of key scenes released.

2019.12.17 - Premiere Day
2019.12.18 - World Premiere Day
Miscellaneous scene videos (large influx of Audio Reaction Scene videos for this movie)
Highlights of ***Crowd Interaction***
Reactions to Rise of Skywalker aren't quite what was expected.mp4

2019.12.19 - US Premiere Day
Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker 2019 720p HDCAM-GETB8
Star Wars Episode IX The Rise Of Skywalker 720p CAM H264 AC3 ADS CUT BLURRED Will1869
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 720p HDCAM 900MB getb8 x264-BONSAI[TGx]
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019) English HDCAMRip - 720p - x264 - AAC - 900MB | x264 - 400MB (GETT88)
Star.Wars.The.Rise.Of.Skywalker.2019.HDCAM.x264-ETRG
Star.Wars.The.Rise.Of.Skywalker.2019.720p.HDCAM.x264-BONSAI
Star.Wars.The.Rise.of.Skywalker.2019.720p.HDRip.h264-CDI

2019.12.20
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 HDCAM x264 AZNV
Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker (2019) HDCAM [Hindi + English] Dual-Audio X264 - KatmovieHD Nl
فيلم Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker 2019 HDCAM مترجم
Star.Wars.The.Rise.of.Skywalker.2019.720p.HDCAM.akoam.net.mkv 
Star.Wars.Der.Aufstieg.Skywalker.2019.GERMAN.AC3MD.720p.TS.x264-DEEPBLUE2000
Star.Wars.Der.Aufstieg.Skywalker.2019.GERMAN.AC3MD.TS.x264-iND.rar
Star.Wars.Der.Aufstieg.Skywalker.2019.GERMAN.AC3MD.TS.XViD-iND.rar
Star.Wars.9.Der.Aufstieg.Skywalkers.2019.German.MD.HDTSRip.Xvid-CQS
下载文件 : xingqiudazhan9hczw.mp4
XQ大战9:TX者崛起.TC中字版.mp4

2019.12.21
Звёздные войны: Скайуокер. Восход (2019) TS 720p
Звёздные войны: Скайуокер. Восход / Star Wars: Episode IX - The ... of Skywalker (Джей Джей Абрамс) [2019, боевик, фэнтези, приключения, фантастика, TeleSynch ...
Ckay0yk3p.B0Cx0d.2O19.D.TS.72Op.mkv

2019.12.22
Star.Wars.The.Rise.of.Skywalker.2019.720p.HDCAM.900MB.chisub.x26
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 1080p NEW HD-TS-GETB8
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 HDCAM XViD
Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker 2019 Movies HDCam Clean Audio x2
Star.Wars.The.Rise.Of.Skywalker.2019.1080p.V3.HDCAM.H264.AC3-Will1869
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019) HDCAM 480P 720P GDrive
Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker 2019 1080p KORSUB HDCAM x264-Stollenwurm
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019) Hindi Dual Audio 720p HDCAM [1GB]
Star.Wars.Skywalkerın.Yukse lisi.2019.1080p.HDCAM.TR.Dub laj-SMAS oneindir.com.rar

2019.12.23
Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker 2019 CAMRip XviD READNFO-INFERNO
Star Wars Episode IX The Rise Of Skywalker 2019 720p CAM H264 AC3 ADS CUT BLURRED Will1869
星球大战9:天行者崛起_高清_在线观看_放放电影.mp4
星球大战9:天行者崛起-TC中字-电影-在线观看-青苹果影视-YY6090青苹果影院.mp4
Звёздные войны: Скайуокер. Восход / Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (2019) CAMRip [AD]
Star Wars: Vzestup Skywalkera / Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019)[720p] = CSFD 69%
Star Wars – A Ascensão Skywalker Torrent (2019) Dublado e Legendado HDCAM 720p

2019.12.24
Star Wars: A Ascensão Skywalker (2019) Baixar – HDCAM 720p | Dublado | MEGA
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 HC HDTS XviD B4ND1T69
Star.Wars.Episode.IX.Der.Aufstieg.Skywalkers.TS.LD.German.DL.1080p.x264-PRD
Star.Wars.Episode.IX.Der.Aufstieg.Skywalkers.2019.German.AC3LD.TS.1080p.x264-iND
Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker 2019 Movies HDCam Clean
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker 2019 1080p NEW HD-TS-GE
Star.Wars.Episodio.Ix.L.Ascesa.Di.Skywalker.2019.MD.TS.Telegram.UnIvErSeDDL
Star.Wars.Episodio.Ix.L.Ascesa.Di.Skywalker.2019.MD.TS.R6.Telegram.UnIvErSeDDL
Star.Wars.Episodio.Ix.L.Ascesa.Di.Skywalker.2019.CAM.Telegram.UnIvErSeDDL

2019.12.25
Star Wars Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker [GLOBULUS] .mp4
Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker 2019 Movies HDTS Clean Audio wit
Star.Wars.The.Rise.of.Skywalker.2019.1080p.V2.HD-TS.NOADS.x264-Z

2019.12.28
Star Wars 9 The Rise of Skywalker สตาร์ วอร์ส 9 (2019)
Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker (2019) สตาร์ วอร์ส: กำเนิดใหม่สกายวอล์คเกอร์

2019.12.31
Star.Wars.The.Rise.of.Skywalker.2019.HC.720p.HDTS.XViD-TEVO
Star.Wars.The.Rise.of.Skywalker.2019.1080p.KOR.HDTC.H264-RTM
스타워즈 라이즈 오브 스카이워커 (캠버전) Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker.2019.1080p.KOR.HDTC.H264.AAC-RTM.mkv
스타워즈 라이즈 오브 스카이워커 (캠버전) Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker.2019.1080p 
Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker2019.1080p.V3.HDCAM.KORSUB.HEVC-DDR[EtHD]
[자체자막]스타워즈 라이즈 오브 스카이워커 Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker20191080pV3HDC

Research accomplished with the help of the internet, !n+3rn3Tz, 
release .nfos and website discussions.
Post
#1322036
Topic
Theater Performance Preservations
Time
Solo : A Star Wars Story

Video
1. 1XBET - Shaky cam (No LFL Logo) (English Intro - Czech Subtitles) (Subtitles purposefully cut off on the fly) (Inserted Adverts 0:03:35, 0:28:10, 1:25:46 and burnt in subs-adverts 0:00:00, 0:35:48, 01:05:11, 1:54:42) (No Credits) [Length = 2:05:01]
2. No others known

Audio
1. English A - (1XBEt) (clean) (some laughing during L3-Qira chat, laugh at 12 parsec line)
2. German A - (optimus)
3. French A - 
4. Mandarin A - (GXOMavVGYQKWZY4s)
5. Latino A - (mpz677453910)

2018.05.24 Releases
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.PROPER.720p.HDCAM.ENG-1XBET
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.PROPER.720p.HDCAM.ENGLISH-NG
solo-a-star-wars-story-2018-german-720p-cam-md-x264-optimus (German Audio)
DESIREMOVIES.LIve - Solo A Star Wars Story (2018) English HDCAM - 720p - x264 - 750MB (1).mkv (1XBET)
Хан Соло: Звёздные Войны. Истории (2018)
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.720p.HDCAM.ENG.x264-TamilMV[TGx]

2018.05.25 Releases
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.English.720p.HD-CAM.x264-MovCr (1XBET)
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.HDCAM.XViD.AC3-ETRG 
Solo A Star Wars Story 2018 Cam Rip GOPISAHI

2018.05.26 Releases
Solo A Star Wars Story 2018 Movies HD Cam x264 Clean Audio New +
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.Eng.720p.HDCAM.x264.[MP4]+SAMPLE
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.TRUEFRENCH.DVDRIP.XviD-CADAVER.rar (809.81 MB)

2018.05.27 Releases
游侠索罗.星球大战外传.国语.Solo.A Star Wars Story.Mandarin.TS.720p
Han Solo.Una historia de Star Wars.720p.TS.v2.Latino.1XBET
Хан Соло: Звёздные Войны. Истории и другие (авторские права трейлер видео плеер)

2018.05.30 Releases
Solo A Star Wars Story 2018 NEW 720p HD-TS X264-CPG
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.REPACK.NEW.720p.HD-TS.X264-CPG[TGx]
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.HDTS.650MB.x264-ATOMRIPS[TGx]
Solo A Star Wars Story 2018 NEW HDTS XViD.AC3-ETRG
Han Solo: Una Historia de Star Wars

2018.05.31 Releases
Solo+A+Star+Wars+Story+2018+NEW+720p+HD-TS+X264+LLG
Han_Solo_Una_Historia_De_Star_Wars_[Cam_Rip][www.descargas2020.com].rar
Han Solo: Una historia de Star Wars 2018 Película Completa DVDRip YIFY
A Star Wars Story 2018 FULL MOVIE DOWNLOAD [Hindi-Dubbed] 720P TORRENT HD 700MB KHATRIMAZA

2018.06.02 Releases
Han-Solo-Una-historia-de-Star-Wars-2018-XviD-Cam-Castellano(www-yadixv-com)-avi

2018.06.04 Releases
Solo.A.Star.Wars.Story.2018.HDTS.Fugitive

2018.06.05 Releases
Solo A Star Wars Story 2018.BluRay.XviD.X264-mSD

Research accomplished with the help of the internet, !n+3rn3Tz, 
release .nfos, website discussions and Lumen Database Organization.