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This individual has created subtitles (english alphabet) for the 6 films in Bahasa Malaysia?: (little unsure which, here's a wiki on the differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Malaysian_and_Indonesian

http://rizaladam.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/star-wars-episode-iv-a-new-hope-1977-3/
http://rizaladam.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/star-wars-episode-v-the-empire-strikes-back-1980/
http://rizaladam.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/star-wars-episode-vi-return-of-the-jedi-1983/
http://rizaladam.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-1999/
http://rizaladam.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/star-wars-episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones-2002/
http://rizaladam.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-2005/

Have sent over an e-mail, we'll see what returns.

Quote needed:

for this image to become a meme.

^ I thought that was from 'Stuck on you".  You know the movie in which they sing the Lapti Nek while dressed as the Huns of San Dimas.

AntcuFaalb wrote: What am I saying or doing to give (some) people that impression?

Posting about their personal time expenditures can be construed as a sign.  Maybe probably it's just me being hyper-sensitive.

By high-quality, I meant making a version of the 1977 opening day credits that would fit right in with something like DJ & You_Too's project.

Then this is probably not the thread to get those people's attention.  But you never know who lurks...

As there are only three sources for these credits and less information, there is a disconnect between the preservation projects and these credits.  The logic tends to follow yes we want original opening day/year credits but the version most commonly seen.  (as the case probably is that both were shown opening day)  We don't have the information to prove one way or the other which of these credits showed up most, so as there is no insertable version into the high def projects currently underway, they sit over here for discussion.  But as the foreign language crawls get created in a higher quality form, the desire for these credits to also be around for projects attempting multi-stream play back will increase.

There's no reason to be sorry, I was not criticising, projects happen at their own speed.

AntcuFaalb wrote: This thread seemed like the appropriate place to ask such a question

It is the right place but there was also an answer.  In the first post, with visual proof in the third, and in the first post your project is mentioned.

You are not the first person to feel overwhelmed by their projects, at least two others round these parts are publicly expressing their desire to step out for a bit.  If you need to, do so.  It's better to enjoy the hobby then turn it into a burden.  Don't need to tell anyone, just go do something else you'd like to do.  This place is everyone's free time.

AntcuFaalb wrote: Would anyone be interested in a high-quality version of the 1977 opening day credits? Does one already exist?

This thread is not about quality.  I'm willing to turn any preservation project's credits into a pic.  We know of the different opening day credits from Moth3r's effort and it was confirmed in the 16mm preservation by Puggo.  Was going to do the PS78, but you've been improving the project, so have been waiting for that to become public.

TServo2049 wrote: the new credits appeared as a supplement on the fourth bonus disc.

Thanks will see what they contain.

greenpenguino wrote: "Live Long and Prosper"

That's from the Avengers.  See:

Article idea: the uncredited.

The netizens of imdb have been all over this for years, but we stumbled upon two Star Wars 1977 people who went uncredited for the first 20 years, then were given credits in the Special Edition laserdiscs, only to be removed again in the 2004/2011 releases.  One of them is an Oscar award winner.  (Ricard L. Anderson for Raiders sound)  This shows that LFL wants to remember some of these people.

The article could be a list those uncredited, explaining, for some, their contribution to the films.  With an appeal to Lucasfilm to add these people into all future release.  A list of who's uncredited can be found at:

SW: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/fullcredits
ESB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/fullcredits
RotJ: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/fullcredits
TPM: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120915/fullcredits
AotC: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121765/fullcredits
RotS: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/fullcredits

Why this is a good time for this type of article is it can possibly influence the 3D releases credits which could become the defacto credits for the next 20+ years.  (there's a small window to influence the AotC and RotS 3D credits)  Although we've missed TPM, they did add many names related to the 3D conversion, (so they are making changes) but as they noted, 'See website for complete list'.  Which they didn't have up on opening day, but did put up after I asked the question.  Am not sure if they modified TPM's other sections.

When it comes to Star Wars, there are a variety of people from voice over actors, most of the cantina aliens, the SE Boba Fett actor, Wuher!, Dr. Evazan, many Stormtroopers, make up artists, film tech and crew, R2 designer, stunt performers, musicians, Stuart Freeborn, the list is lengthy and diverse.

So the problem is these new credits might be significantly longer, they'll have to expand the score selection.  Even if they added the names in a huge block as they do the 3D artists.

But the point is to see if these people's contributions can be officially recognized in future iterations of the film.

Hummm, the 'Richard L. Anderson' and 'Kathryn Farrar' added in the SE later variation, are not in the 2011 set where they showed up before.  But haven't done a complete check, maybe they just got moved...

Anderson: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027328/

Farrar: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0268133/

Maybe all these uncredited SW people would make for a nice SaveStarWars article.

Special Edition Variations cont:

Different font used
Sound Editors - 'Richard L. Anderson' is added
In SE section - 'Production Controller  Kathryn Farrar' is added
MPAA name increased
DTS Stereo changed to Digital DTS Sound

^ Please clarify what you mean by French dub 2.0?  Are there two SE mixes in French or are you considering the SE as 2.0.

There is also the context of the whole SE credits existing in two versions, the DTS Logo is one aspect of the complete redo.

Star Wars Special Edition Credits Variations

DTS Sound : DarkSvn LD, G'Kar, 5 Star, JFSE

DTS Stereo : ReivaX, TB Broadcast, Flunk

Have converted the last one from each list into a pic:

http://fd.noneinc.com/Credits/SWSECredits-JFSE4.jpg

http://fd.noneinc.com/Credits/SWSECredits-Flunk.jpg

JFSE ......................................... Flunk

Identifying when the DTS logo change occurred will probably clue us in when this occurred.  Had always linked the SE credits as a laserdisc thing, but seeing them show up in the G'Kar set, which I thought was broadcast...

I'm confused why would you want to reupload files which were put up just hours ago?  Search engines are trying to use common logic to group the millions of posts everyday.  They check upload name, file name, upload service, session ids, etc.  If you restart your upload application during the uploads, more then likely the grouping will be split.  PS78 v1.0e Raw Capture #5, the original and incomplete parts show up here like this: http://binsearch.info/?b=Capture5&g=alt.binaries.starwars&p=AntcuFaalb%40mailinator.com+%28AntcuFaalb%29&max=250

Seems fine to me.  On your method from the second above post, that all seems good to me.  Some programs may have the RAR and PAR in one ap (SimplyRAR for example), but it's still a two step process.  I'm not familiar with creating nzbs before the upload is finish.

Lengthy article on the films journey to screen: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/10/120910fa_fact_hemon

spleen, a.b.sw

GOUT Region 3 Taiwan

audio: English 2.0 Dolby Surround

subtitles: English, Chinese Simplified?, Chinese Traditional? and Thai

Usenet search engine results take time to compile.  Usenet works as a series of servers, you upload to one but it takes time to get those files to all the other servers (and there's no guarantee all the servers will accept them or may only receive part of the file).  So one search engine may have incomplete for file 54, 192 and 193, and another engine have a different set.  As you are uploading all the servers have different pieces of the pie and that's why things are coming up incomplete.  Yet when you make the .nzb your server can possibly give back different incompletes or none at all.  It's rare that pieces go missing, but retention is not perfect over the whole system.  That's why PARs were invented.

Anytime there is a reset, the files will typically be considered as two separate uploads.  Usenet search engines are taught now-a-days to spot similar names files and group them.

Does the future search results have a display method at this point?  Will it be similar to what's currently happening where it shows a series of full posts, or will it be more like a search engine result, the 100 or so words around the found query?

Empire Strikes Back Uncut Trailer: http://www.starwarsuncut.com/

Go claim a scene.

budwhite wrote: The search function is useless

drop into most search engines:

site:originaltrilogy.com Search Query

you can extend the URL to be forum or thread specific.

And the subtitles, remember something about renaming them and/or put them in another folder?

From the 'Despecialized Editoin Remastered readme.txt'

The subtitles are stored in an external folder, if you want to watch with subtitles, take your chosen subtitle .srt file from the

"Subtitles - Project Threepio" folder, copy it to the folder with the .mkv file and rename the .srt file to the same name as the .mkv file,

while keeping the .srt extension.

Some outside chit chat:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/604406-star-wars-restoration-hits-milestone.html

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115665

http://fallenpagesfromthelogbook.tumblr.com/post/30447801939/the-final-part-in-my-crusade-to-watch-the#notes

most search engines:

site:originaltrilogy.com Search Query

^ This is the Gavrilov (?????? ????????) version.  Who worked as a music publisher and the wiki pages attribute the Rus-Voice-Over's to him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilov_translation  (at the bottom of the page is a sample of his Matrix voice over)

Here's a page which has a brief bio of some of the notables in the field: http://r7.org.ru/transl.php  (where the pic came from)

The Gavrilov version attempts to reproduce almost word for word at the same time as the original dialog.  Others take a more play-by-play approach where they attempt to fit the voice over slightly after the original dialog or inbetween.

The Empire Strikes Back 16mm Reel 1 Lead-In - Puggo Strikes Back

7 -> 6 -> 5 -> 4 -> 3 -> 2 -> [smudges] -> (circle)

The Empire Strikes Back 16mm Reel 1 Lead-Out - Puggo Strikes Back

FINISH -> C'Scope? -> PT1 (1A-2B) -> Empire Strikes Back

The Empire Strikes Back 16mm Reel 2 Lead-In - Puggo Strikes Back

7 -> 6 -> 5 -> 4 -> [color fields black, dark blue, medium blue, cyan] -> (blue) 3 -> 4 C F -> 3 -> 2

The Empire Strikes Back 16mm Reel 2 Lead-Out - Puggo Strikes Back

FINISH -> Scope? PT2 (3A-4B)

The Empire Strikes Back 16mm Reel 3 Lead-In - Puggo Strikes Back

(diamond) -> 7 -> (diamond) -> 6 -> (diamond) -> 5 -> [color fields black, dark blue, medium blue, cyan] -> (blue) 3 -> 4 -> 3

The Empire Strikes Back 16mm Reel 3 Lead-Out - Puggo Strikes Back

FINISH -> C'Scope PT3 (5A-6B) -> The Empire Strikes Back -> Dec/88 505 -> (dot) -> C ROOM (arrow) SYN -> (black dot & 'X') -> FOOT -> ACT ON -> E ROOM (arrow) SYNC -> PE -> HFC PANEL SYNC -> PICTURE - FEET

^ What do you think the source was?  (if it's a theatrical recording (with cue markers), that would be the first SE this forum has heard of)  There is an 80s Russian voice-over (Gavrilov) version which uses the German VHS as it's video, so it's not unprecedented.  But the combination of German video with English audio sure is strange, but may show, as there are subs, that the market wanted to hear the original English. 

Here is a great Russian SW site, the owner may know more: http://www.spade.ru/starwarrior/films/rushistory.htm

The page explains the history of SW in Russia, and how the Special Editions were not shown.

DVD-BOY wrote: I currently have ROTJ Project Blu v1 and 2011 BD ripped to my machine as Cineform AVIs so I'm wondering if it is worth incorporating frame numbers from both GOUT and Later releases.

For me the GOUT numbers are a temporarily standard until we become more familiar with an actual 35mm print.  There is a thread about the GOUT's missing frames: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Whats-missing-from-GOUT/topic/6725/  which for me reinforces the GOUT's temporary standard claim.

But yes all releases would one day get identified.  The spreadsheet format makes this much easier as it's just about identifying where frames are missing and when a new scene was added.  With a simple column of -1 here and +269 there, we can then automate the subtitle recreation between releases and help convert audio variations.

Ask your formatting ideas in the wiki thread.  There's no best, with wiki's people can create their own navigation, if someone doesn't like the Reel approach they can make their own Sequence, for whatever page to get to the specific data.  If an overall page is maintained people can chop it up as they see fit.  Don't know if a wiki can cross resource like a database can.

As for your AVIs, no one's looked much at RotJ, so whatever you accomplish is great.  Maybe take a block and see how long it takes you to do task-x or task-y just so you can speculate how long it'll take you.  With these spreadsheets it took some time, you go thru parts where you're into it then you think it's a waste of time and process greatly slows.

I've been looking into automation of some of these tasks.  Found a plug-in for After Effects called 'Magnum - The Edit Detector': http://aescripts.com/magnum-the-edit-detector/ which can take a copy of the film and cut it up where ever it finds what it believes is an edit.  Was able to process a quarter of TPM in about a day.  It missed a few in the beginning but otherwise worked great, and there are ways to improve it's selection field to get better results.  What I was hoping to do then was to either open up the AE file and see if the frame data could be pulled out that way or auto export each clip, then figure out a way to get the frame totals, dump that into excel and let it do the math.  Was doing this to help me with the DIF TPM as that one requires each scene to be scaled, but the process can help the frame calculations. 

negative1, (if you happen to read this) what was your process for the acquiring of frame counts?