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Is there some connection between the naming convention "baby hum" and Star Wars i'm not getting? I personally understand the difference between officially sanctioned LFL material and fan created material on SW, but i've never gotten the sense that the baby hum releases we're going to stick to SW forever. (I know there was a thread on preserving Miyazaki, started by baby hum for instance) I've always viewed the names people use to preserve stuff as their mark to show what they appreciate. If those nameing conventions go away from material i'm not interested in, so be it. But i guess the completeist in many of us (it's nice to view the covers in chronological order which all have a common theme...), would like one name to be only for one type of material. But there's bound to be disagreements along the way. Can always 'inverse' the cover art to show off the aprocraphal nature of non official LFL material. I'm happy in whatever format/naming convention the re-creator puts it out as.
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Post: #226962
Topic: Star Wars First Draft (from Script-O-Rama.com)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226962/action/topic#226962
Time: 17-Jul-2006 11:22 PM

http://starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm Is a great resource for versions of the scripts and other aspects of the writing of these movies.
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Post: #226932
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226932/action/topic#226932
Time: 17-Jul-2006 8:33 PM

This movie just got stuck at the first level.

Play Director/Writer where would you have taken this film?
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Post: #226846
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226846/action/topic#226846
Time: 17-Jul-2006 2:24 PM

via: http://barnt.org:81/~jared/scanner/scanner.html
(visit link for final video product)

HOWTO: Make a Movie Like The Scanner Darkly
1. Get a camera that takes QuickTime movies.
2. Take a movie of something. In the example, I video taped my dog.
3. Copy the movie to your computer.
4. Open it in QuickTime Pro.
5. Go to File > Export... and select the Export: as Movie to Image Sequence. Click Save.
6. Go to File > Export... and select the Export: as Sound to Wave. Click Save
7. Open the first frame in Photoshop.
8. Use the following effects, curtesy of egeniuses:
Artistic>Poster Edges Filter (10,1,6) but adjust accordingly
Noise>Dust and Scratches (1,1)
Stylize>Diffuse (anisotropic)
Artistic>Film Grain (2,16,10) adjust accordingly
9. Save the file and repeat with the rest of the frames.
10. When you are done converting the frames, go back to QuickTime.
11. Go to File > Open Image Sequence. Click on one of the image files you edited.
12. Go to File > Export. For Export, put Movie to AVI. Click Save.

As for the comments about the first 24 minutes being Half Baked, that's actually the first hour plus. This story is similar to an episode of the Twilight Zone. The first 7/8ths of the film are set up for a pay off, there are hints of something else going on, but they don't beat you on the head. Then you reach that moment where something simple, changes everything and the last 10-20 minutes of the film, investigate those changes.
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Post: #226720
Topic: Vader Sessions
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226720/action/topic#226720
Time: 16-Jul-2006 7:18 PM

Ah found it, here's the other version:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DADsTzy2Ck4&search=vader%20dub
Not as well done since they didn't replace the soundtrack, but some great moments. Stick with it the beginning hits hard then slows a bit, then picks up towards the end.
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"Peace Love Dope! Now get the hell out of here!"

Post: #226664
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226664/action/topic#226664
Time: 16-Jul-2006 1:47 PM

---Sploiler Warning---
I love this debate on the animation, it's very odd, since the way the movie is presented accentuates the ambiguity of the material, in a similar way that Substance D (and others) manipulate how perception is resolved. So maybe this does appeal more towards a stoner attitude as THX states, or this reinforces people's desire to not see experimental film. It's just funny that after watching 24 minutes of the movie (at a really phriggin small size) and C3PX says he wants to see the rest but won't because of a preconceived notion. This animation looks different on the big screen. The reason they did put out these 24 mintues is to alleviate some of the concern the animation might have on people. In it's existing presentation is might be a pretty good movie.

Do movies have to be enjoyable to watch? I would say no, especially when it's about content which affects people. Often in negative ways. Might as well challenge the audience. Now to what degree you go to do this is up to the director for most of you'se this one seems to have gone to far. Speak your mind with your dollar.

THX: Cinematically i'm not sure what issue you forcusing on which was lacking from this presentation. It's not a blade runner-esc future we're talking about. These are basic schlubs on the burbs doing they're thing.

As for the story, it's more of less dead on. 7/8th of the book is about watching these guys stoner around as Bob slowly realizes his split-ness. Then the last 1/8th is about the expanded Rehibilitation issue and exploitation in one of these facilities. Now i agree with you that the rehibilitation aspect was simplified to just New Path, and how one company seems to be the cause and solution. The book was more vague on this. Another criticism i had of the movies is that the splitness of Bob/Fred just didn't have moments where things progressed from one to the other. Maybe some scene where Bob walks down the street and as he moves from his house to the vide/watch house, you get a sense of him becoming Fred. The Donna/other lady sexscene is that scene i guess, just didn't work for me, even though that's how it is in the book.

---Spoiler Warning Reminder---
I haven't read Blade Runner's precursor, but wasn't that a short story? So it needed filling out if it was to become a feature film. This was a novel which had he material in it. If anything much of what was cut was stoner stuff. One of the major ones being the Celphoscope (sp?), which would have added some irony to his future video watching. If you've got any ideas on how the movie could have expanded i'm interested in that debate. One way to take it would have been to expand the after effects of Bob/Fred/Bruce's flower. Was B/F/B really a husk of a human or someone up against incalculable odds, who eventually overcomes. That's a hollywood ending if there ever was one. and i would stay away from something like that.

Of the decisions, the one tv movie decision i could point out would be the Donna becomes Hank moment. I didn't like that one, it's like the smallness of the SW universe after ESB, everyone's related... Personally i'm fascinated by the passages in the book which are the Barris's implications of Bob/Donna's other activities. Are they real, what we're they attempting to accomplish. But that's EU territory, i haven't figured out a way to incorporate that material into something larger without changing the focus of the story.

Anyway this movie is a good examination of the implications of drug culture. If you don't want to see, i recommend reading it. And that's one of the primary issues involved in using this animation, the subject matter is drugs, you can't have any serious discussion on drugs in a movie, you're stuck with that R rating, plus throw in some sex and you've solidified teh R. So in many ways your audience is slashed so why not challenge the audience in visuals as well as topic, adult audiences tend to be more open minded. Where's Barris to watch me get a hand cramp and be quiet...
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Post: #226603
Topic: Vader Sessions
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226603/action/topic#226603
Time: 15-Jul-2006 11:35 PM

Some Fan Films
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Post: #226581
Topic: Vader Sessions
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226581/action/topic#226581
Time: 15-Jul-2006 8:17 PM — Edited 1-Mar-2021 8:56 PM

http://akjak.com/vader-sessions/
Alternative James Earl Jones dialog in ANH.
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(i’ve seen another attempt at this recently, anyone know the name of the other version?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0rwG39Jzk

Post: #226579
Topic: new book on a new hope coming in september
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226579/action/topic#226579
Time: 15-Jul-2006 8:00 PM

Where'd you read about a forthcoming Mayhew book being squashed? I could understand LFL not authorizing the book but they've got limited ability to squash the work completely. But Mayhew's got little work elsewhere if he pisses off the Ranch.

Anyone heard any more about the Carrie Fisher tell all? ew.com
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Post: #226552
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226552/action/topic#226552
Time: 15-Jul-2006 4:07 PM

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/daily/scanner1280-2.jpg

http://www.kinokadr.ru/photoes/2006/02/20/a_scanner_darkly/bigest/01.jpg

And you're talking about other people's spelling?

Hate me because i mispell and grammer not well. The reply statement wasn't about her spelling, it used the mistake in her spelling to show the point that first impressions or judging a book by it's cover is not a way to gather an honest opinion plus the movie cost several million to make, that ain't chiyiyiyip. Thus the forum related quote from ANH/Luke about the MF. "She's got it where it counts" is what i was implying about the movie "A Scanner Darkly". Invader Jenny's opinion is completely valid and most likely 9 out of 10 people would agree that this animation style, if you guage it by the commercials (which are similar but not the same) is a.N.n.O.y.I.N.g::: Countering this opinion is what the rest of my posts have been about. The animation is different in this movie, although it used the same techique. And the technic is used to enhance/capture the overall atmosphere of the book, uneasyness, dislocated, yet based upon a reality we all share.
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Post: #226550
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226550/action/topic#226550
Time: 15-Jul-2006 3:57 PM

This animation style has been one of Richard Linklater's tools for several features. "Waking Life" (imdb) being the feature which brought this to the mainstream attention.

Any fx work costs $, so often the fx creation experience gets farmed out to do commercials which pay boat loads. So i'm guessing, but those commercials you've seen recently probably funded much of this movie. And since this is not a traditional movie which surprisingly follows the book fairly closely, so maybe final cut decisions we're kept by Linklater, instead of giving more control to the movie studio. It's an edgier film with more idiosyncracies, and less mainstream oriented. Either you get into the disorientation or find something else.

Robert Downey Jr./Dick's writing steals the movie.

As for the animation again, the movie is slightly different then the commercials. The commercials are all close facial shots. There are those in the movie but more attention to detail has gone into them. The real animation stand out is the rest of the images in the frame. The pulled back shots/establishment shots are fantastic, you get the complete sense of reality but twerk'd. Then as the camera movies, similar to anime videos, less important images use the same angle, so the room spins, but the angle of a chair in the room doesn't change at the same rate, thus everything gets this quirky feel, this in addition to the dialog of drug user/abuser/paranoids/tweekers transports you somewhere else. The movie is about questioning reality, the main character is two distinct individuals, created from drug use. The plot then twists and turns to show how reality viewed by the main character is being manipulated by opposing forces, ones commonly recognizable, and like other good sci-fi, easily comparable to the situations around you the reader/viewer.
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Post: #226545
Topic: Ralph McQuarrie Website
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226545/action/topic#226545
Time: 15-Jul-2006 3:33 PM

In 2002, that website released a DVD, "Ralph McQuarrie Illustrator", it's has interviews with him and other insights into his career from working for Boeing, the Apollo space missions and eventually illustrations for movies and books. Hopefully after the website redesign gets further along, maybe the DVD will get rereleased as well.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030204204834/http://www.ralphmcquarrie.com/sign/dvd/cover.JPG

Here's the archive.org's capture of the old DVD webpage annoucement: http://web.archive.org/web/20030204204834/www.ralphmcquarrie.com/sign/dvd/index.html
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Post: #226519
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226519/action/topic#226519
Time: 15-Jul-2006 12:39 PM

It looks cheep and it is annoying.

The animation is as cheap as your spelling is accurate. and according to Luke, the Millenium Falcon looks like a piece of junk.

If you watch the trailer, or these first few minutes, you'll understand why this technic actually complements the storytelling. Although it's not perfect, the method in which is movie is shown really does help you understand portions of the lifestyle of the characters. One of my objections with the animation is the level of detail they went into with close ups. Medium and Far shots look fantastic, real yet twisted, the close ups do look like the commercials, and do leave some people 'annoyed', with additional detail maybe the two wouldn't be associated. But the story more then makes up for these incongruities, its got it where it counts. Don't like the look of the movie, i'll reiterate my appreciation for the book. It's a thought provoking story.
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Post: #226505
Topic: A Scanner Darkly - First 24 minutes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226505/action/topic#226505
Time: 15-Jul-2006 11:04 AM

Since there's much movie talk around here. Maybe some of you would be intreiged by 'A Scanner Darkly'.
Check out the first 24 minutes here: http://media.filmforce.ign.com/media/670/670907/vids_1.html
The movie's good, the books more thorough.
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Post: #226503
Topic: Help: looking for... TATOOINE OR BUST
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226503/action/topic#226503
Time: 15-Jul-2006 10:45 AM

Haven't seen either of these on DVD or VHS.

http://www.wishnow.com/starwars/#
That's the website for Tatooine or Bust (and "Star Wars or Bust"). Unfortuantely the hosting site for the quicktime stream has gone down... But there's an e-mail to ask the producer Jason Wishnow.

Star Wras available at: http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/animation/starwras/index.asp

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Post: #225549
Topic: Which Mac to get?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225549/action/topic#225549
Time: 10-Jul-2006 10:20 PM

I've been putting off buying a new mac as well. Mac has been moving their line of computers from the old chips to the new Intel based ones. I don't think there's many models besides the 'Tower' which have not switched over. (most of the laptops are now Intel) So if you looking for more bang for your buck you could wait until the next model is released with the new chipset and buy the older model. But this Intel chip has advantages like the PC bootup. (and all future software will be designed with it in mind) What are your options for a machine? Does it need to be portable?

Anyone know if the date has been set for the new Tower models?
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Post: #225328
Topic: Info Wanted: Has anyone done a Super 8 preservation of Star Wars?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225328/action/topic#225328
Time: 9-Jul-2006 7:54 PM

According to ToysRGus, here are the possible versions of SW in Super8 format:

Video and Film / Super 8
A New Hope
Ken Films
___ SW Super 8 Film--B&W
___ SW Super 8 Film--Color, Silent
___ SW Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 17 Minutes
___ SW Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 17 Minutes, Spanish Language
___ SW Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 4 Minutes
___ SW Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 8 Minutes
___ SW Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 8 Minutes, Spanish Language
Empire Strikes Back
Ken Films
___ ESB Super 8 Film Part 2--Color, Sound 17 Minutes
___ ESB Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 17 Minutes
___ ESB Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 17 Minutes, Spanish Language
___ ESB Super 8 Film--Color, Sound 4 Minutes

More info from: davisdvd.com

http://www.davisdvd.com/images/starwars/sw_super8_2.jpg

A New Hope
Release Format: Super 8
Release Date: 1977
Studio: Ken Films
Comments: These Super 8 reels featured selected scenes from the film
Other Comments: Available in five different versions: B&W/silent, color/silent, color/sound (100' - 4 min), color/sound (200' - 8 min), color/sound (400' - 17 min)

Empire Strikes Back
Release Format: Super 8
Release Date: 1980
Studio: Ken Films
Comments: These Super 8 reels featured selected scenes from the film
Other Comments: Available in four different versions: color/sound (100' - 4 min), color/sound (200' - 8 min), color/sound (400' - 17 min), color/sound (400' - 17 min part 2)

Even a miniDV cam of this thing would be interesting, imho. Would answer the question of how short you can make SW!
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Post: #225326
Topic: Info Wanted: The Legality of Fan Projects
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225326/action/topic#225326
Time: 9-Jul-2006 7:42 PM

For those keeping track, this thread at one point was discussing the merits of companies which edit out content deemed unwanted by a certain set of the public, and reselling/renting those edits back to it's customers. Those companies were under litigation by Hollywood, and that first round of court has adjurned:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,640193492,00.html

U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch issued his decision Thursday, ending a three-year court battle. In his 16-page ruling, Matsch said cutting language, sex and violence causes "irreparable injury to the creative artistic expression in the copyrighted movies" and referred to the businesses as "illegitimate."

"This court is not free to determine the social value of copyrighted works. What is protected are the creator's rights to protect its creation in the form in which it was created."

But it is legal to make a special DVD player which when scheduled, can skip parts of movies: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4026743
While the case lumbered through the courts, President Bush signed the Family Movie Act in 2005, which legalized technologies used by companies like ClearPlay.

info via: stAllio's Blog

Post: #225125
Topic: Channel101 : New Show : Chad Vader
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225125/action/topic#225125
Time: 8-Jul-2006 12:57 PM

Channel101.com is an online tv channel, where people submit 5 minute episodes of tv show ideas. The viewers vote on what shows get to make another episode.

Chad Vader : Day Shift Manager has been added to the programming schedule.

Post: #224359
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224359/action/topic#224359
Time: 4-Jul-2006 7:47 PM

SW:ANH_~TCR+02:02:49:03_(x0v3.03) >

Post: #224014
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224014/action/topic#224014
Time: 3-Jul-2006 9:41 AM

For example, check out the end of the shot where Vader says "There will be no one to stop us this time!".

SW:ANH_~TCR+01:08:56:03_(x0v3.03) "Yes Sir!"

Post: #223493
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223493/action/topic#223493
Time: 30-Jun-2006 3:33 PM

Has images or video of ANH with LFL timecode ever make an appearance? (I doubt there was one for the original release but maybe as part of the SE/DVD cleaning up process, a timecoded version was made. http://www.dvdaust.com/film_sound.htm talks about a DTS timecode in the original print versions.)

http://www.dvdaust.com/images/StarWars.gif

<-- DTS Timecode is just to the left of the frame, right of the soundtrack. That faded grey bar.

and if "Yes" does the x0project timecode sync up?
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