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How about 5-25-77?

Last I heard it's now just '77.  The film premiered at a couple festivals.  There were some articles about how the initial cut didn't meet the directors goals, so changes were made.  This in conjunction with some complaints from the money people, and it's hard to fully understand why this too hasn't come out.  Especially with the main actors success.  Most likely Patrick Read Johnson needs to continue working so he can complete the film the way he wants to in his between work time.  Guessing that after Fanboys, no distributor will touch another SW centric film for awhile.  Don't think they have faith the public will latch onto them.  Had tried to interview Mr. Johnson a few months back and multiple e-mail accounts lead to nothing...

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You're missing EVERYTHING!!!!

He really seems to be turning on the charm there and what an elegant lady too.

Easy to be elegant when you can segregate them as contrived.

Fairly certain I fall into this category.  The Stormtrooper's ransacking of the Malla household, left a permanent mental dent on all five years of this youngster.  Then in the 1990 after getting the movies on VHS, the memories resurfaced when the ransacking didn't appear in the films.  What were these mental scenes, did they exist?  Few years later usenet got me in contact with fellow with a VHS version and soon there after, I was reaquainted with the horrors the Empire can bestow on a wookiee family.

Not sure when, but the first time I saw Star Wars was on a 16mm highly edited black and white version rented from the local library at a birthday party.  Not having a VCR, used to go to a friends to watch the Droids cartoons, since most saturday mornings was out playing soccer or baseball.  Definitely learned the stories from the storybooks and the trading cards.  (the inside cover of The Star Wars Storybook has my chicken scratch from 10/27/78 as if i'd checked it out from the library)  Parents probably bought it as the hype of winter marketing blitz swept through with the Holiday Special capping it off.  Not sure if I saw Empire in theaters, (probably did) but listened to the storybook record over and over.  Remember waiting in line to see RotJ.  Definitely the last kid in school still playing with the figures, luckily slightly too dense to realize I was being made fun of, but didn't care had Amanaman in my lunchbox.

While we wait, here's some other documentaries worth checking out.  (and they're online)

http://vodo.net/yesmen <-- Yes Men Fix The World p2p edition

http://www.truththeory.org/ <-- many docs.

supporting these online doc/distributions, might convince PvsG of an online release.

thecolorsblend wrote:

I'm honestly kind of sick of knowing there's this kickass doc out there... that I can't fucking see because it's not likely to be in theaters and probably won't be on DVD anytime soon.

and that's the difference between entertainment and information.

The website has updated and has a feature that allows you to identify your location and that information will hopefully convince a distributor to release the movie in a theater near you.

http://www.peoplevsgeorge.com/

Thanks for the response.  Trying out JES Deinterlacer's functions on the video material and inverse telecine functions on the main movie, beginning to understand how you all have squeezed out clarity from the laserdisc captures, which alluded me before.

This knowledge will come in useful on the next project, when I will definitely be dealing with every known movie and tv presentation and compression formats under the sun.

Another reason for not going overkill with the interlacing issue is the DVD overall is going to be highly compressed.  For the Billy Dee Williams segments DVD by themselves, maybe i'll proceed with attempting to improve their quality through various processes.

One day i'd like to make a parody movie of SFX, just spoof every FX shot with intentional screw ups, faulty mattes, layers in the wrong order, incorrect compositing, image maps change objects, now i can add de-interlacing film material to the list...

Bingowings wrote:

It's evidence that Star Wars was at one point after the first film was going to be a nine part saga.

And according to a 77-78 Kenner promotional video and Bantha Tracks (Issue 02 pg 4) the old fan magazine the saga was 12 films... at one point.  Awhile ago Empire Magazine (think it was them) did a fold out where they tracked all the quotes of how long the saga was to be.  For me it's just 7.5 half movies.  They had something different.

(Bantha Track pdfs: http://www.artoosnews.com/banthatracks/" target="_blank" title="web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.artoosnews.com/banthatracks/">http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.artoosnews.com/banthatracks/ )

(most from an active site: http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/specialreports/banthatracks/ )

If you post something like this in the future, 'show details'.  I'm guessing that many of these files didn't download completely, need to see the file size to be certain.

All the RARs should be the same size except for the last one.  Re-download 5 of the most incomplete and attempt the unrar'ng again.  If the new downloads are more complete, then repeat until you get the missing 388 blocks.

There also seem to be two sets of pars. (or many multiple copies)  If two sets were posted maybe you are using the old pars and that's causing the failure.

Another option is to try another unrar program, something's weird the 'number of files = 27" + 'Complete Files = 16" + 'Damaged Files = 11" only equals 54 but you've got files upto 67.

I wouldn’t make that assumption.

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Googling here's the first pay service which came up:

http://www.transcriptionsservice.com/speech-to-text-transcription-for-deaf.html

Our transcription charges are $60 an hour of audio recording. The minimum billing for our service however is $50.

Another way to approach this is to crowd source the process.  Since the video is available on youtube, anyone anywhere could watch it and type out 30 seconds to a minute or two for you.  If you had a blogger page, they could post the transcibed portions in the comments section.  Or if done in several forums, then as responses to the initial request.  Then once everything was done, it could be handed off to someone who could create the subtitle stream.  (defining the sentences and how long/where they appear)

How to get people to help you out is what you're going to have to figure out.  Explain who you are, your situation and your appreciation of SW.  Once you've got the blog set up or multiple forum posts, or a facebook group, or a yahoogroup, etc., contacting SW people is the next task.  Contacting TF.n or some of the other big SW sites (maybe if asked nicely a place like digg.com) might give you the kick off to get the ball rolling.

Is there a support group in the deaf community which might have suggestions on how to get transcribing done for media which doesn't have one?

Here's the first minute:

From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga

Initial Transcript (requires proof reading)

 

Ten years ago, in a galaxy very very near.  George Lucas imagined a world no one else had ever seen.  When he placed it on screen in 'Star Wars', in 1977.  He asked us to see it through the eyes of a restless and idealistic young man, Luke Skywalker.

Through three films, Luke would travel through the farthest reaches of his galaxy seeking adventure manhood and wisdom.

It would be a perilous journey, for this was a universe in turmoil.  The forces of light and darkness, locked in mortal combat.

The dark lord of the Sith.  Exemplar and symbol of all the evil Luke would have ultimately have to confront, Darth Vader.

A third option is to find a transcribing service (the medical profession uses them) figure out how much it would cost to do the 50 minutes.  Pay that amount yourself or start a kickstarter page to get those funds.  http://www.kickstarter.com/  Kickstarter is a place where you can suggest a project and if enough people pledge the funds when the mark is reached you'll have the funds to get the task done.  Making the final transcript (and eventual subtitle stream) freely available on archive.org will help convince people of your goal.

Currently contemplating if it's worth deinterlacing a preservation effort.  The issue is complicated because of the source of the material.  It is a VHS to DV capture (29.97) of a film shown on TV (23.97) and other made for television material (29.97) NTSC which is being outputted to DVD (29.97). 

I've done some deinterlace tests (shown below) and am finding that it helps for certain portions but not others.

Since the original source is not super perfect to begin with, am asking if you all think time spend possibly doing deinterlacing on specific scenes is a good idea?  Is it a good idea to have deinterlaced material sequenced with interlaced material?

Original Capture (Left)    <-------------> DeInterlaced (Right)

Example 01:

Here the deinterlacing helps.  A graphic element moving quickly.

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_01.jpg

Example 02:

Here the deinterlacing doesn't pay off.  The text is a little blurrier, and areas like the Sci-Fi planet ring become jaggie.

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_02.jpg

Example 03:

Also part of this preservation is live recorded material, and in this case the deinterlacing works to solve camera flashes.

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_03.jpg

Example 04:

From the main movie, this deinterlacing doesn't help.  As the hyperspaced stars get choppy.

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_04.jpg

Example 05:

Another place where deinterlacing doesn't help is for slow moving objects.  Here the equator of the revolving DS gets mucked up, and the planet becomes less oval.

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_05.jpg

Example 06 & 07:

Again graphic elements become slightly wobblier when deinterlaced.

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_06.jpg

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_07.jpg

So up to now, generally the deinterlacing solves quickly moving objects, but it adversely affects slow moving details.  Considering this (and the fact that this is a tv capture of a widescreen film) would you deinterlace everything?

Since DVD is an interlaced presentation, does that give merit to not deinterlacing?

The other variable which leads me believe that selectively deinterlacing could be an option checking out, is the different material in the original capture.  The commercials and bumpers are all made for TV, but the original film is from a 23.97 source.  and it can be seen in a series of frames that the interlacing phases in and out of quickly moving objects.

Example of phasing in and out:

Frame 01 - 0k

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_10a.jpg

Frame 02: Interlacing issue

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_10b.jpg

Frame 03: Interlacing issues

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_10c.jpg

Frame 04: in sync again

http://noneinc.com/SWUE/zPreview/SWUE-Intrlc_10d.jpg

Deinterlacing these film segments might require a different scheme then the made for TV material.

Also reading threads at creativecow and videohelp it's mentioned that FCP's deinterlace feature is not desireable.  Have read that JES Deinterlacer is a good option:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html#DEI

Feeling a whole lot over whelmed.  Knowing that DVD is an output interlaced leaning towards doing nothing. but in an irc, it was mentioned that interlacing like this can be noticeable on LCD tvs, because of their higher frame rate refresh.

Maybe tomorrow i'll be in a mood to complete some tests.

Comments ideas thoughts welcomed.

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Creating subtitles is a very labor intensive process.  In your case someone would have to retype out all the dialog, then sequence and timecode each phrase to the video.  I have not seen that done for this doc yet, maybe it'll appear on the upcoming bluray. 

An option you do have to complete part of the process, is to have youtube mechanically create the transcript.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj9C_rJD8fE is the first part of this doc.  I'm not sure how you go about getting youtube to automate the creation of the transcription.  But if there's a 'request transcript' option on youtube, you could watch it there to read the dialog.

TV's Frink wrote:

I'm guessing not everyone will see that as a FAIL.

The Death Heart Star doesn't quite have the same ring.  Maybe Darth Buchemi rules that Deathticle.

at least he used Chewbacca pink.

fans can ruin too!

Am locking the timelines this weekend with the hope of starting the chapter marking process.  Any other information not currently shown on the covers which you all find important to have shown?  Realized i'm missing the DVD9 size and maybe a blurb about other specific dvd info.

Created the SW-image-logo for the other two covers but am searching for other scripted quotations for the 1980-1983 and 1983-1987 covers.  Might just reuse this one, but if you know of 'the other's please suggest it.  Doesn't necessarily need to be from a home video release could be from something else.

As for the background experimenting with combining, in different blending modes, the old VHS cover artwork.  Not sure what's bugging me, need to try different image size and spacing options.

The artwork of Shabby Blue. (not safe for anywhere) [but loves that it exists]

http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Mass_Layoffs_At_LucasArts_133638.asp

http://kotaku.com/5627835/lucasarts-confirms-layoffs-former-staffers-speak-out

Looks like he was given a head-ups.

Easterhay wrote:

I know you all like your little links on this forum

It's the difference between having an opinion, and having an opinion backed up by someone else with a similar thought.  Knowledge building.

I can say Admiral Akbar was the other, duh you all should know that.  Now go debate you stupid sillies.

What Tobar wrote is predominantly correct:

The only reason they made Luke and Leia sister was to tie up the story into this one trilogy. Originally the "other" Yoda spoke about was supposed to be the star of episodes 7-9 but after ESB Lucas decided to just end it after ROTJ.

Now sure you can say it wasn't the 'only reason' and maybe the decision didn't happen after ESB and back that up with other statements.

Here's Gary Kurtz backing up the overall sentiment:

http://www.filmthreat.com/interviews/8/

So the story was quite a bit more poignant and the ending was the coronation of Leia as the queen of what was left of her people, to take over the royal symbol. That meant she was then isolated from all of the rest and Luke went off then by himself. It was basically a kind of bittersweet ending. She’s not his sister that dropped in to wrap up everything neatly. His sister was someone else way over on the other side of the galaxy and she wasn’t going to show up until the next episode.