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generalfrevious wrote:

The destruction of the OOT is still going on and he did nothing to stop it. Don't people at Lucasfilm realize these are not just a certain version of a movie that is being suppressed, it's the essence of everything that is at stake?

But isn't it safe to say that Lucasfilm is also the organization which has done the most (#s) to preserve the original version. The GOUT copies sold in stores far out number the bootlegs and fan preservation copies ever created.

According to (see below) at least: 220,578 copies

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1977/0STRW-DVD.php

Besides the quality issue, how else did the GOUT not help people remember the essence of the originals?

TV's Frink wrote:

If you were to put generalfrevious and kenkraly2007 in the same room together, I think the universe would explode.

Nah, infinite loops continue endlessly.  That's why types like kenkraly2007 reappear and stay periodically, when 'discussion' is defined as 'here's my point of view', both sides can continue forever.  When someone does attempt to make either side think, that's when the repeaters tend to go elsewhere or grow.

SW BD Trailer????

Sounds stupid but try blowing out the burner, had a similar problem where started getting coasters then errors where it wouldn't even start writing.  Even though it was the same batch of discs.  reversed the vacuum on it, and it's back to normal.

First interview after announcement: (starts around 8:15)

http://www.forcecast.net/story/topstory/Weekly_ForceCast_October_29_2010_134680.asp

The first topic seems to be launched at this community.  And yes you'll all want to bitch and moan, but realize you've got his attention, now it's time to focus on how do you convince him/others of the importance of the original films as seen back then.

A sign that he most likely appreciates the original's impact is when later in the interview (~23:50) he explains how the coolest thing he was able to show off was the Biggs cutscene footage.

Jon (Wobbly) Leidecker's - Variations #5 'The Discipline'

http://rwm.macba.cat/en/curatorial  (download or online listening available)

Great series, can't recommend it enough.

VARIATIONS, led by Jon Leidecker reconstructs the history of sound appropriationism by looking at examples from 20th century composition, popular art and commercial media, and the convergence of all these trends today.

Specifics of Variations #5

As art and industrial practitioners formally map out the discipline, hip-hop's discovery of digital sampling technology in the mid-80's provided a reintroduction its original roots in block party DJ collage. The international success of the new genre then prompts a legal backlash against the art form, with a rash of lawsuits filed against both commercially successful pop artists like De La Soul, Biz Markie & 2 Live Crew and left-field provocateurs like the KLF, Negativland and John Oswald.

The audience that had come of age during the era of the studio-produced pop song was ready for a genre of music which made explicit use of earlier recordings to construct new music. A song with recognizable but altered samples reveals to the listener the same editing techniques used by engineers to compose music from disparate elements in the studio. The audience's growing comfort with the definition of a recording as the true site of a musical composition, instead of merely a document of a live performance, gives rise to a music that can now be made from any sound, including those made by any previous artist, sourced from any recorded age.

Now someone just needs to dig up an '83 print of Jedi....

It just sold for under 800 bucks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-Return-Jedi-35mm-Feature-Film-Complete-/140467589474?pt=US_Film&hash=item20b4855162#ht_724wt_1139

OT.com thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Return-of-the-Jedi-35mm-print/topic/12057/

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/10/new-star-wars-trilogy/

The report, published late Friday by IESB and citing an “ultra top-secret Lucasfilm insider,” claims the new trilogy would land after the planned 3-D conversion of the six Star Wars films.

“This is, of course, completely false,” Lucasfilm spokesman Josh Kushins told Wired.com in an e-mail Saturday about the report. “George Lucas has plenty of projects to keep him busy right now — including plenty of Star Wars projects — but there are no new Star Wars feature films planned.”

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Time-to-grow-up/post/161927/

http://steotch.com/2010/09/03/admirable/

Thanks to those who have helped look for the missing Carrie hosting segments.

For those who have written to pl1x[AT]earthlink.net with leads, please check your spam folder for replies.  My address has been around for over 10 years and some e-mail clients consider it spam.

Star Wars for the most part i've associated with being able to learn about new things.  In the early days the 'Making of' specials were a way to learn about film making.  The alien races and droids opened up real world counterparts like NASA.  LFL seemed to be an open company which wanted people to learn not just about how the films were made but also how that related to other aspects of society.

In college (early 90s) that began to shift, as the cease & desists started on online SW fan sites, and continued until eventually people went to jail for RotS.  (the raids were carried out on SW's anniversary in 2005.  if you want a symbolic demise date, there it is.)  Corporate culture, from LFL to the MPAA to the United States Congress felt it was more important to have the FBI/ICE focus less on missing person cases and more on corporate concerns.

Luckily fan cultures sprouted or i'd be out of the SW game.  Project from the fan films, to Deleted Magic and Secret History show to me how more open access to information can lead to better things. 

It could be that Sansweet is partly like everyone around here, a fan of SW in the theaters and maybe more importantly to the presrevation issue, the way he first saw them; which gathered his appreciation.  He could have been getting bored with the new wave SW clone wars culture, and wants to do something else.  But return to LFL's production facility when an OT project comes along.  But who knows until he starts talking.  He might become an ally in the preservation issue, he's been there since day one, and he understands (on some level, might take some scratching to get it out) the significance of the original film.

http://noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_46-Play.html

Contains several clips of GL saying there's no more SW movies.

(the pre-release thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-of-Empire-Strikes-Back-pushed-back-to-October/topic/11307/ )

Only about half way (just finished the Carbon Freezing Chamber chapter), but agree it's more comprehensive then anything out there. 

Although it's nice to have the book, wish more that they would just release the raw documents on starwars.com, let the fans process the info.  Finding that while reading, wishing the full documentation was there.  Understand that's not the objective of the book, they've got a page limit and font size to adhere to.  But digital media allows for additional info.  Even if it was on a Kindle would like to know the source for each quote.  Have read people's comments that quotes which appear back to back could be 20 years apart.  Understanding when things were said is a factor in this kind of book.  So maybe a few years after the Jedi book, LFL will make some online fan club or SW Research Society where people could hear the Arnold tapes or see the early story meeting transcripts.

Personally, amazed to see how much they accomplished in 3 short years.

Some new perspectives in the book which I hadn't come across elsewhere.  For instance after repeated bickering on the Battlestar Galactica front, (hey we're doing a snow planet!) seemed that eventually it came down to getting their equipment back more then the concept similarities.  But conversely, found it funny that in the early days of setting up the corporation, they had the secretary answer fan mail and distributing cease & desists.

Maybe there's more Prowse in the second half, but just read the 'i've got a book' story and he seems to be sizing up the situation and attempting to interject something to alleviate everyone's stress at his own detriment.  Also with Carrie Fisher's current revelations of non-work extracurriculars trying to piece that into this book, but realize that who knows what other issues haven't surfaced since everyone is waiting for the person with the issue to reveal it when they chose to.

On Brackett, there's some aspect of her work they were trying to inject into the project and maybe it's there, but it's not acknowledged what that is.  But her script as they point out was a fairly straight forward interpretation of the story meeting.  Sure much of the wording was off/not-SWarsy but a lot of that seems cosmetic.  Especially as you continue reading and Rinzler lays out how each player who was brought on board manipulated the story.  GL's idea, Bracket script, GL script, Kazdan script, Kershner on set changes, all the way down to the actors were all molding the story.  ESB comes across as one of the most collaborative of efforts.  That's what i'm taking away from this book.

I'll second that the Jedi book will be an interesting look into Marquand.  Recently re-saw an interview he did where Marquand talks about the difference between him and Kershner.  And i'm not sure if he's kidding or serious, but his comments seem off.  This ESB relied heavily on the Arnold book and the Peecher book is a backbone to hang the RotJ book on, so it seems like a no-brainer.

Sounds great, Javier Grillo-Marxuach does some great stuff, if you haven't seen "The Chronicle" an older show he did, similar fun.  Missed MM when it was on tv, another on the 'canceled too soon' list.

search engines like binsearch.info will help you determine what group.

That grumpy old git hasn't been the same since he metamorphosized into a cartoonized stressful book reading characterization...

(pssst... ChainsawAsh... it was a joke at none's expense.)

none doesn't care.   Maybe i'm just using a really old browser, but the images look fine to me.  You kidz and yr DRM impeeding nu tech.  In my day we liked when people reused the information we posted on the internetz.

avoidz wrote:

Now it's done on computers with sycophants who are too afraid to say Jar Jar was a shit idea.

Jar Jar wasn't a shit idea, GL gave up or didn't feel the need to carry through with the character.  He took a character which in TPM was a societal outcast, in AotC he uplifted him until he was working in the Senate.  If Anakin killed Jar Jar half way through RotS because Jar Jar while working in the Senate figured out that Palps=Sidy, there's the pay off.  People get what they thought they wanted the death of Jar Jar but coming at the cost of Anakin turning his back to the Republic and JC, and it would have given more credance to Qui-Gon for picking him up.  GL gave up on the character.  The potential was there.  but then you loose a popular kids toy.

Everyone had their fun?, let's try to be somewhat productive and see if we can do some informing.    (but oh shit, I so want a neon purple yoda)

kenkraly2007 wrote:

None that's a good screen capture I like it but add episode 4 a new hope to the title.

Ok so acting as GL you've made the decision to revise this frame:

To something like this:

So for the threads topic, the colors of the text is different, and the color changes which were made affected the star field background.  This might have been done to make the crawls more consistant, since at one point there was some variation between the 6 films:

Now if this was a preservation dedicated thread, the A New Hope would make this change unacceptable.

Ok here's another frame to consider, this time you get to choose from three images: (which in your gut, seems the most Star Wars like?)

?????

Puggo wrote:

I was going to quote none's memorable diatribe

Memorable?!, by tomorrow morning you're going to have to be a mensa person to remember three consecutive words of that.... thing.  Cell Block AA-69 D000dz!

Now do you want to know why Lucasfilm will not approve that screen capture?

kenkraly2007 wrote:

I don't mean to repete myself.

You do, it's all you have.

Recommendation:  change the title of the thread.  Your title is inviting people to come in here and write things you're not interested in.  But if you do want to continue to repeat yourself, amend the thread to:

"kenkraly2007's refutes (with zero facts) your opinions on the future of SW on Blu-Ray thread."

this way both sides are clear what's going to happen.

or here's a new direction, one at a time, someone post a screen capture from one of the movies and kenkraly2007 pretend you're GL, and approve or disapprove the screen capture as proper for the blu-ray:

Would you OK this screen capture for the blu-ray?

Thanks for the info adywan and I do think the blu-hoos will indeed be not not faxed. yeah come on already adywan, like your edits your FACTS are not wanted here! Jorge Lukas 4 Evah!

Damn you xhonzi!!!!!!! (did I neglect to mention i've hacked this site so my edits no longer register. You've copied the post-edit. Wiggled!)

here at LFL we practice artistic legalese.

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