nightstalkerpoet

I seem to remember having discussed this somewhere... with someone... So I figured I'd start a thread.

Considering the fact that Vader is visibly shaken by Padme's death ("Noooo!"), wouldn't you assume that he would be grieving at her funeral? I never understood why him and Palpatine were not in the procession - one of her oldest friends/colleagues, and her husband. Even if news had spread that Anakin had killed her, the Emperor's executive powers would bypass any attempt to block him from being there.

bobgarcia74 nice clip :) To further your concept, I would cut "Have you ever encountered a Jedi Knight before" and jump straight to "seal off the bridge"

As for how to cut scenes like that, it all depends on the scene. For the escape pod sequence, I personally would show it being deployed, and give the impression the droids short circuited/passed out, and "woke up" with the Jawas.

I was able to cut Ep. 1 down to an hour, so that may be a way to start... get each film to an hour, then cut them down from there. 6 hours to 4 is going to be much easier than 14 hours to 4.

I don't think the Clone Wars has been a disaster at all, with the exception of the film. By releasing it in theaters, George broke a barrier between Star Wars the entertainment machine, and Star Wars the Film Franchise - this paved the way for the 3D novelty releases.

The one problem I have with TCW is that it takes away what little life the PT had - for all the complaints, and slight inconsistancies, when I watched RotS, I remember feeling a sense of completion. That feeling is kind of diminished.

However, I personally can't place blame - There are kids who LOVE TCW. I personally enjoyed the 3D conversion of TPM more than without it. And we live in a society built on capitalism, where you have to keep at it to continue to earn and make a mark.

If anything, I believe that rather than bitching about everything LFL does, we need to start a general campaign to change copyright laws, forcing film companies to submit a digital, lossless copy of every film ever made or that will be made in the future. Beyond that, not only should the original version be made available, but also any version that is made commercially available. With that in mind, Star Wars would need to be provided "Pre-ANH", with the crawl change, 97SE, 2004SE, BluRay, and then 3D. Stored Digitally, this wouldn't take up much space. And the Library of Congress would possess all of these films... I believe this law change could be pushed through as a "Protection of future inherited public properties" 

Mike O said:

Mielr said:

 

DavidBrennan said:

Any people with distaste for the current state of the SW "brand" or LFL in general feel any vindication by the floppage of TPM 3D?

I do. And even if it ends up making a profit, I'll still consider it a "flop" because the standards have been set higher by the franchise, tarnished or not.

As far as the marketing goes, I must be watching the wrong channels because I think I saw a total of ONE tv commercial for TPM3D and only one or two posters at bus stops. :-?

 

Being a year behind on my Wittertainment and hearing Mark pontificate about the "death of the 3-D," the vindictive bastard in me is hoping that the fad will be in its death throes by the end of the AOTC relelease and LFL won't get to the OT and will lose big time. But the realist in me knows that the OT will do gangbusters in the theaters, even with the Amazon backlash and people knowing full well it's not the original film, and will just be another nail in the OOT's coffin.

The strange thing is... I think that the negative feelings about Star Wars are beginning to spread to the general public. Sitting through TPM in a theater again really showed how bad of a film it was... I've never seen so many people sleeping through a midnight premier or a 3D film.

I think that, combined with such offensive changes as "Nooooo!" have forced even casual Star Wars fans to be on guard. I would assume more and more people are going to be against large scale experiences like Theater viewings, simply to avoid overshadowing their fond memories of watching the films in the Theater, while they were still pure and great.

The Bluray was proof that Lucas doesn't care, as he has total control over the films. I'm guessing control over games, etc. is a little more spread out, and the people creating them and testing them probably love Star Wars quite a bit... easily enough to have made their way here.

topdawg193 said:

And then, with regards to the actual, physical, battle that must occur, many martial arts that inculcate the Taoist thought are concerned with using one's opponent against themselves, by allowing their rash offence to be countered and repelled back unto themselves through a clear-minded defence, via grapples, holds, blocks, and such. 

First of all, I would like to say that was very enlightening to read.

However, I would like to say that there is a difference between hand to hand combat and fighting with a weapon, simply in the fact that your limbs are always there, prepared to be used in that defensive method. With a weapon, it is important that the person on defense actually have their weapon drawn first, so as to block the initial attack.

For all the flack the prequels get, RotS has always been held in higher esteem than the other two. So I think it is reasonable to reconcile between that film and the OT, even if I feel Eps 1 and 2 should be made to match the rest.

Rather than use that as a reasoning, I'd point to Yoda telling Luke he must "confront" Vader, giving the impression of initiating a battle.  Also, Obi-Wan stating that if Luke will not kill Vader, "The Emperor has already won". Both statements give reasonable support to a Jedi being the aggressor in a battle. 

If anyone ever has wondered what it would be like to have a different actor play (or dub) Anakin, here is the *better* actor from the audition screen tests, dubbed into the film. Just did this mockup - REALLY hoping to see something like this integrated into fanedits!

http://youtu.be/BV-P39TOOBM

btw, watch in 1080p, much better :)

Considering the review gives a framework for the edit, a hoax cut based on that could still be enjoyable.

oh_riginal said:

I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.

Couldn't have said it better.

I feel the opposite way about this. I feel that the ANH:R version of it gives the feeling that they aren't incredibly close, and thus have been engaged in simple small talk prior to R2's message. Much better than truly attempting to break into the middle of a conversation.

Obi-Wan was sent to watch over Luke, but was probably waiting for a sign of some sort before he acted (giving Luke a lightsaber, etc.) Without hearing the message, Obi-Wan has no reason to blow his cover and act.

After hearing the message, he has to quickly convince Luke to help him. He does so by telling him a bit about his father, etc, hoping to build some more trust. After all, why would someone watching from afar have a close relationship with the person they're watching?

I definitely hope it stays this way.

Is there a comparison video for Ady's version of Bens hut vs original? I'm not sure exactly what was changed.

I hope not... 3P0's line without "the princess" always makes me smile, because it is the first completely obvious difference, reassuring me that I'm watching the right version of ANH :)

Not sure if this has been asked...

When ANH:R is redone in HD, will we be getting both Regular and Purist editions again?

Haven't you seen the 2004 SE DVDs? It was George's intention that EVERYTHING be blue :P

zombie84 said:

I guess he meant that sometimes when blue-screen in done poorly you get bluescreen spill, which would make neutral coloured objects have blue halos, and because of black-level issues in optical printing they sometimes print blueish (they also often print pink and green).

Correct. Am I the only that's seeing it that way?

The amusing thing here is that the title of this is actually partially true. The BluRay set includes the THX Optimizer, which (in the future) will communicate with THX Optimized TVs, Players, and Recievers to alter your home viewing experience to exactly what George intends it to be...

I have less of a problem with the color of the TIE fighters than I do with the way that they mesh with the background. The gray found in ANH:R helped a lot with that, and that's why I like the coloring. To me, the blue fighters stand out like obvious blue screen work, often making them seem to be at a VERY different depth than anything else in the film. Perhaps if this was changed, I'd be more content with the blue.

Why do you need to own the Bluray version if you only intend to get an SD version of the edit?

I will say that Bluray, even output at 480i, is far superior to DVD. Color is WAY better, and the clarity does not suffer from MPEG artifacting, thus giving you a crisp and clean image. Definitely still worth it to buy, though not as much as it would be for larger screens/resolutions.

These benefits are lost when BluRay sourced edits are released as a standard DVD.

As a gift for donating, its not for "profit", but I get the point...

So many gray areas and fine lines... especially when attempting to fly under the radar... 

Alright, just saw that the first page verifies that there will be a BD-25 release. A LOT of us don't have BD-Writers at home.

I know that this is a gray area, because of copyright, etc. but...

Is there any chance that Ady or someone in his inner circle could do a complete bluray release, selling copies to people who would like to Donate to RotJ:R?

It could include:

-Actual Bluray Case

-Cover Art (a while back I saw that someone had double-sided covers, Revisited on the outside, original artwork on the inside - that looked amazing!)

-Edit on Lightscribe BluRay Disc (With Disc Art Scribed On)

-Numbered, limited edition card, showing a comparison shot between the official release/Revisited (similar to the screenshot comparisons we've seen)

You could make these available only to people intending to Donate to RotJ:R, who make a donation of $40 or more (to cover cost of supplies and shipping, and make sure that a decent amount still makes it towards the donation)

Just a suggestion/hopeful request.

It's funny, because I have agreed with and been amazed by just about everything Ady has thrown our way...

My one disagreement is putting ANH:R HD out before his PT:R. My kids are 1 and 2. I was hoping he'd fix the prequels before they ever had to see them :P And it's amazing what a good upconverting player can do to ANH:R.

There is plenty of ESB:R love... they're just hitting the final shots and stages, so it seems there is a little less new info rolling in.

doubleofive said:

 

For every question like this, there is only one answer: if its a choice between making the OT match the PT or the PT match the OT, the Prequels will be modified to match the Originals, as it should be.

 

I would say that lightsabers seem to be the exception to this rule, as they seem to combine the best of both from what I've seen.

Again, another sad attempt rationalization. "I saw the TPM in 3D so that we can get the UOT in 3D."

You've fallen for Lucasfilm's marketing ploy. "We converted one movie. If it makes enough money we'll do the rest." Translation: give us enough money or we won't put out the OT Special Edition in 3D.

??????? Are people this stupid?

I honestly do believe that if TPM 3D is a flop, that the idea could be scratched. 

However, I wasn't saying UOT in 3D... I was suggesting the a 2D bluray could be included in the set... would be a great marketing strategy...

For anyone who thinks that we shouldn't have gone to see the movie in 3D... you really should be thanking us... I've heard a lot of people saying that they want to see the OT in 3D, but if anyone remembers, Lucas won't release all of them unless each film is successful.

I went to a half-filled, very mellow midnight showing, and have to say that I was both impressed and disappointed...

Pros

Personally, I thought that the 3D conversion was AMAZING. Though subtle, it added to the depth of the film in a way that the Bluray release was unable to do (something I feel WAS achieved with RotS).

When TPM was released, everyone who worked on it kept pointing out how many things were going on in each scene. Everything, background and foreground, has been given proper depth. For some scenes, characters are talking, and you can see a battle droid walking away around 50 feet back clearly, with all of its surroundings also thoroughly given depth. Another very interesting feature is the changing of scenes through wipes, because many foreground heavy scenes gave way to star fields, causing wipes to show off the huge depth difference.

Not too many scenes stand out, but I think this is a huge positive. Everything visually meshes MUCH better than any other version of this I've seen.

Cons

The film in 3D was DARK. It took a while for my eyes to adjust to it, so the beginning of the film seem overly black.

Theater sound wasn't as impressive as I had hoped. I've spent two years trying to get my setup right at home though, so I'm a bit spoiled from the bluray audio in a really nice 6.1 setup.

The film is BORING. I haven't had to just sit through TPM in years, without a pause button and some light distraction. I felt stuck on Tatooine for eternity...

Final Thoughts

Go see it if you have any interest in ANY of the films in 3D at all. I'm sure that it could use the numbers boost to pave the way for George to release the rest of the films. Now that this film is over, I'm actually decently excited to see the rest of them this way...

And who knows... maybe George will release the OUT with the 3D Bluray releases. Every new release of these films at least offer a chance for that opportunity. 

kilik64 said:

 (although I will say that Hugo has almost changed my mind on it, that movie was phenominal!),

I would say that this conversion was nearly on par with Hugo. I also loved Hugo :)

Actually, that picture amuses me... because there is the actual model, and a picture from the film below. Perhaps Ady could use this image as a source to color correct the VERY blue film version to the blue gray of the model.