nightstalkerpoet

Except that the Mona Lisa was not your idea, and had nothing to do with you.

There were a LOT of people that helped to make Star Wars great, but that doesn't change that it was George Lucas' "child". Sure, grandma and grandpa and aunts and uncles and friends helped as it grew up and matured, but that child will always remain George's.

I feel like a lot of Star Wars fans feel overly-entitled... 

Some of it goes so far as to make me think of Occupy Wall Street protesters:

Reporter: "What do you want?"

Protester: "Money"

Reporter: "So what are corporations and government supposed to do.

Protester: "Give me some!"

Reporter: "Why?"

Protester: "Because I want it!"

Reporter: "But isn't it their choice what to do with the money they've earned?"

Protester: "But I've paid taxes. That must directly correlate to why they are rich. So they owe it to me."

TMBTM said:

But a painter does not sell his work to someone then few years later comes in the customer's house to take it off the wall to draw a mustache in the middle, then ask few dollars more or he'd leave with it.

How many people have had George come into their homes, alter their OUT VHS tapes and laserdiscs, then threaten to take them? 

SilverWook said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

I'd really encourage faneditors not to remove George's name from edits... despite being able to read his comments that way, it is better to assume that is not what he meant. Lucasfilm has (in their own way) been very supportive of the fanediting community, and I think any direct attempts to slight them or George is unnecessary and liable to cause issues.

... As fans of the OUT, there needs to be a change. Even if we feel that George shouldn't take offense to internet complaints, he obviously does. For once, why not acknowledge what George is looking for from the fanbase, and make an effort on our end, to give him what he wants, and to get what we want. Stop all of the George bashing, and switch to a constructively critical tone.

- We asked for a release of the OUT, and got one. It was non-anamorphic, but it was an attempt to do something for the fans that George didn't want to do anyways - a small sacrifice, but one none the less. (also, keep in mind that in 2006, your average person had not converted to HDTV or widescreen, and didn't suffer the same issues with that format that videophiles did)

How many people thanked him for doing that? vs How many people complained about it? Had people even attempted to be content with it, I think we might have seen a Bluray release of the OUT... but obviously that's not how things went. George proved he doesn't react well to negative fan pressure. He expected it on the PT, but not on this.

Years later, after people continued to push and say "The non-anamorphic version isn't good enough", it's time for the Bluray release.... but rather than say "Cool, Star Wars on Bluray" or "I'd prefer not to get this, because I prefer the original releases I got in 2006"... there is an organized boycott generating bad publicity... Not an organized, polite request that the films be included, but a hatred filled boycott. 

This left us (not surprisingly) without the OUT on Bluray...

Has anyone realized it's time for a new approach. Maybe an apology for the boycott and negative press? Maybe some attempt to stop the constant attacks on George? He is the mastermind behind Star Wars and Indiana Jones people... You may disagree with his decisions now, but at the very least the respect we owe him for giving us the OT and Indy 1-3 should keep us civil towards him.

With as many times as George has stated that he doesn't want to release the OUT, to do so would make him look bad, going back on his word, unsure of what he wants... the press jumps all over you for that. Why would he do that for "fans" that are ungrateful for what they're given, and attack him any chance they get.

I read that interview and see one thing - that he is perfectly happy to allow his films to be fanedited, and for those edits to be shared. It's a pretty rare person in any corporation that will allow those kind of freedoms to be taken without persuing legal action. But rather than revel in that... everyone would rather tear him limb from limb.

Just my two cents...

A non anamorphic title in 2006 was unacceptable. Using a 1993 video master was just cheap. Had any other studio pulled that with a "crown jewel" title at the time, they would have gotten an earful, and deservedly so.

No other director pulls this crap! Notice nobody bitches about the walkie talkies in E.T. these days?

Widscreen tv sets have been around since the mid 90's. Many early DVD titles were anamorphic.

Fans have tried to be nice in the past. Fans have tried to be patient. All the petitions and politeness went nowhere. How many times can you willingly get slapped in the face by someone who shows such contempt for their own films?

 

Keep in mind that George views the OUT as a "first draft" these days. While that may really bother some people, and while many disagree, what artist is going to put hard work and effort into making their first draft available to the public when the "final draft" is available?

Sure, if you ask to see a pencil sketch of a piece of art that has since been finished and colored, the artist will happily show the original version. But why would they go back and make sure all of the erase marks were cleaned up and put the effort into making large professional-quality prints of something they feel is an inferior product? 

The 2006 release was a response to the petitions and politeness. It seems to me that no release at all would have been the slap in the face. Instead, George did something for the fans that he didn't really want to do.

He wasn't willing to perfect his "first draft", but he was willing to hand us the best copy of it that he had - the 1993 laserdisc master. 

It just seems to me that when petitions and politeness were the tools of the fanbase, we saw some results. With boycotts and ranting, we have absolutely nothing. Even in the official OT petition, a negative tone has been taken:

culminated with the release of the 2006 limited edition DVDs, which contained substandard transfers from 1993

as the steward of one of the most recognizable and beloved film series of all time, you have a responsibility

The deliberate destruction of the original elements demonstrates such disrespect for film history that many of us find it hard to believe, 

Why couldn't the petition stick to more of the "Thank you for giving us Star Wars. Many of us are nostalgic and would like the chance to view the films the way we grew up with. We really appreciated that you included the original versions of the films on the 2006 DVDs. We understand that the 1993 transfers were the best available at that point. There have been recent rumors that a few original prints of the films do exist in private collections. Now that the home format standard has changed to Bluray, it would be really awesome if you could find some of these remaining prints and release higher quality versions of the films the way many of us saw them in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's."

I guess what I'm saying is that in the future, I hope for something, as opposed to nothing. With that in mind I choose to be polite and petition. 

I'd really encourage faneditors not to remove George's name from edits... despite being able to read his comments that way, it is better to assume that is not what he meant. Lucasfilm has (in their own way) been very supportive of the fanediting community, and I think any direct attempts to slight them or George is unnecessary and liable to cause issues.

... As fans of the OUT, there needs to be a change. Even if we feel that George shouldn't take offense to internet complaints, he obviously does. For once, why not acknowledge what George is looking for from the fanbase, and make an effort on our end, to give him what he wants, and to get what we want. Stop all of the George bashing, and switch to a constructively critical tone.

- We asked for a release of the OUT, and got one. It was non-anamorphic, but it was an attempt to do something for the fans that George didn't want to do anyways - a small sacrifice, but one none the less. (also, keep in mind that in 2006, your average person had not converted to HDTV or widescreen, and didn't suffer the same issues with that format that videophiles did)

How many people thanked him for doing that? vs How many people complained about it? Had people even attempted to be content with it, I think we might have seen a Bluray release of the OUT... but obviously that's not how things went. George proved he doesn't react well to negative fan pressure. He expected it on the PT, but not on this.

Years later, after people continued to push and say "The non-anamorphic version isn't good enough", it's time for the Bluray release.... but rather than say "Cool, Star Wars on Bluray" or "I'd prefer not to get this, because I prefer the original releases I got in 2006"... there is an organized boycott generating bad publicity... Not an organized, polite request that the films be included, but a hatred filled boycott. 

This left us (not surprisingly) without the OUT on Bluray...

Has anyone realized it's time for a new approach. Maybe an apology for the boycott and negative press? Maybe some attempt to stop the constant attacks on George? He is the mastermind behind Star Wars and Indiana Jones people... You may disagree with his decisions now, but at the very least the respect we owe him for giving us the OT and Indy 1-3 should keep us civil towards him.

With as many times as George has stated that he doesn't want to release the OUT, to do so would make him look bad, going back on his word, unsure of what he wants... the press jumps all over you for that. Why would he do that for "fans" that are ungrateful for what they're given, and attack him any chance they get.

I read that interview and see one thing - that he is perfectly happy to allow his films to be fanedited, and for those edits to be shared. It's a pretty rare person in any corporation that will allow those kind of freedoms to be taken without persuing legal action. But rather than revel in that... everyone would rather tear him limb from limb.

Just my two cents...

Way to bum everyone out asterisk :P 

We're just waiting for the internet Gods to return Adywan to us :)

Uncompressed would definitely be nice, but that becomes an issue of replacing BluRay with a new format that can handle it.

I'm slightly confused when it comes to 2k, because it seems that the official resolution of it is 2048x1556, which is another million pixels when used in its entirety, but is a 4:3 format

I've always wondered why BluRay opted for hardcoded black bars rather than anamorphic... seems anamorphic full 2k might be a worthy step up in HD quality... 

It seems that although it was shot at 1080p, it was mastered at 2k:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/technical

I'm guessing 2k will be the next home format, so SW is future proof for a little while....

... So many responses... and yet, so few answers to my question :P

... you link title led me to believe that you misunderstood my question... but you didn't :) 

The problem lies in that all of the original files are gone

Does anyone know if Adywan still has his original working files for this?

I'm curious, because ANH:R looks better than the original DVD, yet has been reencoded and still (very slightly) suffers from the compression limitations of MPEG 2.

I know previously I'd asked about an upconverted release (which Ady pointed out would be pointless).

With that in mind, I was wondering if a 480p AVCHD release could be made, using H.264 for much better compression, or perhaps even a BluRay release using lossless H.264?

I honestly would say that the SD ANH:R definitely outshines the Bluray. Adywan's release offers very consistent quality, where scenes on the bluray were hit and miss. Some looked great while others, especially in constrast to the preceding scene, were greatly overwhelming.

^ That is the ONE reason why out of the three I prefer the new sound. Because the new sound, (which I will concede is horrible), sounds as if a human could have made it, and leads you to believe that Ben did more than scare them by just walking up.

Until I joined these boards, I never even knew the sound was what scared off the Sandpeople.

The fact that the original sounded like a cross between an animal and a dramatic piece of the soundtrack doesn't help. It was an ineffective effect, because the common viewer didn't even realize the intention of it.

... I have to say that watching through all those GIFs of Yoda... I really preferred CGI, with the exception of the crawling in the vents portion.

For some reason puppet Yoda strikes me as inconsistent, especially when he says "You will be" and a lot during RotJ.

I think the point is supposed to be this:

-Fett is not named in TESB

-Fett IS named in RotJ

-Some people would like Fett removed from RotJ...

which means that he will never be officially named in the films, which he was originally. Making it semi-reasonable to ask that his name be said on-screen in the one Revisited film he does (in this scenario) appear in.

Perhaps a sample of their dialogue in that scene then? Or a scene by scene outline? I do see what you're trying to get at, but it's hard to imagine how this can be pulled off in a way that doesn't come across as... well, almost schizophrenic. 

As a firstling faneditor, it's very ambitious to try and tie yourself in with what Adywan is doing. With that said, some people here may take it as a bit pompous. Link to some examples to your work on Youtube, etc. to show off the quality of what you're doing.

You seem very excited to share your vision of TPM; best of luck to you! It took me 2 years and multiple times starting over to finally get mine out. Just make sure to come across as well grounded, and you'll find quite a bit of support on these boards.

1. A character as a plot device is still a character.

2. I have a huge amount of respect for Adywan. This may not be a democracy, but he has been very gracious in considering the different ideas and concepts presented to him on these forums. By attempting to fix what Lucas has corrupted, he exemplifies an anti-Lucas approach to his works by allowing others' input. By "compromise", i simply meant just another idea presented to Ady, that was a compromise of two other concepts/ideas.

3. I really don't feel passionate about Boba Fett one way or the other... but that's not a question of intelligence, simply a personal preference on storytelling/narrative techniques.

4. Because there wasn't enough to his character to intrigue me, I didn't really care that much to project my imagination on it. 

The Golden Idol said:

Fettclone1 said:

I haven't seen this brought up yet so I thought I'd chime in.

Vader only refers to Boba Fett as "bounty hunter", which then seems odd after Fett's character is built up due to popularity.

Any chance that Vader could refer to him by name?

With all due respect, that would be pointless. The movies should not be tailored simply to provide fan service for popular characters.

Perhaps a compromise could be reached, with Vader referring to him as "Bounty Hunter Fett"?

While I agree that providing fan service is unnecessary, I do feel that a character as important to the plot as Boba Fett should be named at least once, especially considering that he is referred to by name in RotJ without any proper introduction.

gobalicious said:

Vader believes he killed Padme.  He probably doesn't want to think about her again.  People would wonder who the dude in the black suit is.  Although, in my ideal edit, Vader would show absolutely no remorse for killing Amidala.

Perhaps Palpatine should show up for appearance's sake, but I imagine he would be too busy solidifying his rule.  I don't see any compelling reason for either of them to be there.  I'm more into the idea that Padme shouldn't die at all during childbirth.

Vader believes that Obi-Wan is responsible for manipulating her against him, because blaming himself would be an admission of guilt, and his single real source of remorse.

I do believe that Padme's family probably knew that they were married. Because the general position of the Empire is that the Jedi are evil, and everything done was necessary, there is no reason for her family not to be told that the dude in the black suit is Anakin, and as her husband it is fitting that he be at her funeral. Somebody who has taken to the dark side of the force is not suddenly rendered incapable of love

I also don't feel that Padme should ACTUALLY die during childbirth, but I do believe that the funeral is necessary to give the impression that she did.

Has anyone considered inserting Anakin/Vader and Palpatine in the funeral procession for Padme? Considering there is no longer any reason for the relationship to be hidden, and the fact that Padme is the only thing Anakin truly cares about, I can't understand why he and the Emperor (originally from Naboo) would not make an appearance there.

Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:

The original is quite scary, and merges better with Williams' score.

That's a lot of my point I guess, it never stood out to me as any more than part of the soundtrack.

And Vader's saber SHOULD be purple. He brings balance to the force, thus blue + red ... :P

Actually, in that picture he REALly looks like a midget in a costume that reduced his neck to nothing :P

Honestly, I prefer the Bluray. It sounds more human to me, so I can associate it with Ben. Before, I always thought it was just a sound effect added to set the tone of them being scared off.

I would like to bring the slowly retracting saber point up again. You mentioned that it could take between 4-8 frames. Having heard that people believe that it is too slow, are you considering dropping it closer to 4?

TPM and AotC - Good luck... I've spent most of my time watching those trying to fix the settings, and they vary by scene. Not as much on AotC, but the color seems generally dull...

RotS - Looks beautiful. Leave it alone. I actually would suggest turning off the "Warm" color setting...

OT - Pretty decent across the board if you don't mess with anything.