I do have to disagree slightly - Podracers are definitely memorable. The plotline was kinda contrived that involved them, but I was rather fond of them as a vehicle from the PT.
... or was there? :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmoxwq5uvLk
Bingowings said:
Adding battle damage when it happens is basic continuity and makes perfect sense but once again the shape looks as real as it needs to look.
One of these :
in chrome would look pretty much the same as one of these :
The difference there is texturing. If you look, you can see the realism. The best part about the OT was that it never looked "spacey' or futuristic. It felt common and comfortable. Sure, there are jets out there that look similar, thus basing them in a certain reality, but it's not a reality a vast majority of us identify with closely enough to give it that vintage comforable Star Wars-y feel.
^ I do much prefer those fighters, and would be happy to see Ady replace the ones in the film with those. That'd be A LOT of work though.
I think the problem with the Naboo ship is the fact that it looks almost like a snap together toy rather than something that is of sturdy build quality. Elegance is definitely required when it comes to royalty, but so is protection. It appears when looking at it that it was built ONLY for elegance...
The other problem I really have with it is that it doesn't show any obvious wear and tear after running the blockade It'd be nice to see some slight smoke as it lands on Tattooine, and perhaps some slightly shoddy patch-work visible whenever it is seen after they get the parts for repairs.
I wouldn't be opposed to the redesigned flight controls, etc. I'm sure Ady could do amazing work there.
The Queen's ship audience chamber should be even nicer, IMO. It should look exactly like the Audience chamber in the Captial.
I can already see it... Ady "chasing the mole" for months. :)
Should the PT be desaturated a little to match the OT color palette a little better? Or do people think the PT blus don't need a color correction.
I think the first two definitely need some visual help. I'm torn on RotS though. It is absolutely beautiful on Blu - one of my standard movies to show off on my HDTV. But it looks so much newer than the OT that part of me thinks it needs to be taken down a few notches :/
I can definitely understand that.
To be honest, I don't know how a post RotS prequel would work without further deteriorating the OT reveals... but then again, it's fun to think about. Here's my idea for said project:
Perhaps Vader, accompanied by Tarkin and a small band of troops are sent to seek out and kill one of the few remaining Jedi, hidden on Alderaan. Bail Organa has been hiding him, but can not be prosecuted/imprisoned for it due to the Empire's continued recognition of the rights of Royalty to govern their people (if individual planetary Sovereignty were seized, they would face a much larger scale rebellion).
Leia (10 or 12) somehow gets mixed up in it - perhaps the hidden jedi could be her private tutor. He was sent there to train her, but was instructed not to do so until he was sure she would not stray to the dark side like Anakin. He remained unsure, as she was prone to impassioned outbursts and other such things. The film plays out on Alderaan, with the occasional off world trip just to keep the "Star" in Star Wars. The Jedi is caught in the end, with ensuing Vader/Jedi lightsaber battle. This helps spark the fire of Rebellion. Bail contacts Mon Mothma and tells her it is time. The film could end with the shot of Vader, Tarkin, and the Emperor from the end of RotS, showing the start of the construction of the Death Star.
Hmm... I wonder if muddyknees2000 knows something he's not telling us :P ;)
Monroville said:
And there is nothing saying you can't edit the prequels down into one or two movies... it doesn't HAVE to be 3 you know.
except for this :P
adywan said:
The episode numbers will stay the same as there will still be 3 prequels.
The problem with the PT is the fact that all of the pilots in Ep 2 and Ep 3 are clones. Because there are so many of them, and we only ever get to know one personally (Commander Cody), it's hard to care as much about them. There's a deep dark part of us all that is thinking "There's more where that came from."
The pilot thing would be nice, but the only way I think it would really work is by making the new pilots Jedi. Otherwise, it doesn't make as much sense why they're there.
I'm fine either way, I just figured it would be simpler, since there are far fewer Obi-Wan OT scenes.
Are you implying that what happens there stays there, Frink? :P
How would you handle Luke leaving after Tattoine then, and not being in the rebel briefing, where he walks in and says "I'm with you too"? I'm all for him not having to go back, I'm just not sure how to bridge the gap.
I'd never suggest removing scenes of Anakin turning to the Dark Side... I'm simply saying that all of the births in RotS need to be removed. Leia, Luke, Vader. If Anakin is never referred to as Vader, and never shown in the suit (nor saved) you can easily assume he is dead.
I also agree... The Prequels should be viable either way. Yes, we all know the twists and turns of Star Wars. But I will say, my girlfriend had never seen the PT and hadn't seen the OT in ten years before I reintroduced her. And my children, who are 2 and 3, won't be able to truly appreciate SW for a couple more years. And eventually they will have kids and as a Grandpa I'll be able to dust off the ol' obsolete physical optical disc media player and show them the Revisited Saga. In my vision, They will get emotionally vested in Anakin and Padme, be truly distraught at his downfall and "death" (finger's crossed :P), shocked that Luke is alive. Inquisitive of who Darth Vader is, shocked/excited to learn that Vader=Anakin...
This is bigger than us. And I'm hoping that the next generation of SW fans doesn't have to go through the initial love then intense hate relationship with the PT that I did growing up (I was 9 when TPM came out).
Beyond that, I wanna make it all the way through a damn SW Marathon, 1-6 without giving up, which I can't do with the official set. (and it would be nice to have a complete set rather than having to mix and match fanedits that don't always match up nicely).
Has anyone seen Spence's RotJ final edit? I really like his concept for the beginning/rescue, and think if anyone could pull it off right, it's Ady. I was thinking if you insert the deleted scene of Luke building his lightsaber right before sending the droids into the Palace, it should add to the setup and play out very smoothly. This starts the film with the same down tone (with Yoda's death) as ESB left off with.
Luke can then return to Dagobah after the rescue and have his discussion with Ben.
It warps the chapter numbers... I wonder if Ady has taken this into consideration for ESB:R's crawl (I don't know what he's planning to do with the PT, but it seems like something that is important to be decided on before releasing the OT edits). Perhaps he could split the .m2ts files so that the crawl is a separate .m2ts file that can be replaced at a later date, should he decide to cut it down to two films. (That way you wouldn't have to replace the entire 25 gb worth of files. Only the crawl and menus would have to be replaced to reflect the episode number)
And in a complete saga edit, you have to view it kind of like a single book with 6 chapters. The original book is "Star Wars". And for some reason chapter 3 gives away everything you need to know. Chapter 4 for some reason ignores this information and sets us up for Chapter 5. Chapter 5 then dramatically reveals... everything we already knew from Chapter 3, making it mostly irrelevant. And Chapter 6 follows suit... along with rehashing the plot from Chapter 4 in a new and less interesting way.
The newly edited and expanded book of "Star Wars" should have each Chapter set up the next in a nice, fluid way that makes all of them equally important to the story.
As it stands, IMHO, ESB is the only film that can stand without at least slight alteration to allow a proper bridging and allow for the mesh. I think my favorite change in ANH:R is "There'll be no escape for the princess this time" which is one of the most obvious... so it can stand up to small changes for the sake of series continuity.
You might lose the Yoda revelation... but it is such a short period of time in which it takes place (from meeting Yoda to learning who he really is) that it's not as big of a loss. It's hard to remember some of the "surprises of the OT"... I'd completely forgotten that first time seeing it where you think he's some random alien there to get on Luke's nerves.
However, I will say that the PT changed it to a different revelation... the revelation that to a certain degree, Yoda did go a bit nuts on Dagobah. I think for a first time viewer watching films 1-6, they might seriously be in shock "Oh my god - That's Yoda now.Wtf happened to him??!!"
Kinda figured. ...You old people and your sophisticated humor :P
Its too late for this... but you should have a brief South Park "Kenny" moment in each of your edits.
"oh my god, you killed" (insert palpatine saying Darth Maul) "You bastards!"
"oh my god, you killed" (insert Taun We saying Jango Fett) "You bastards!"
This would culminate with a long series of them during Order 66.
I also have an amusing image for a small intermission... I'm a lot younger, so this won't appeal to older folks... but in the middle of every Pokemon episode they have a "Who's that Pokemon" segment... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akt-0oKULAc&feature=related
I can just see "Who's that Serparatist?" "It's General Grievous!" (sound of him coughing)...
... I'm not a big fan of moving Yoda too much in the PT, besides rearranging his lines as per the "Yoda Speech Pattern" thread.
but.. were that to take place, Anakin doesn't ever have to actually meet with Yoda. Obi-Wan says he thought his could train Anakin as well as Yoda trained him. Implying Yoda played no hand in Anakin's training. Perhaps replacing Yoda's shots in the Council with a hologram could work. You could change the background of the scene at the end of TPM (Agree with you the council does, your apprentice skywalker will be) to appear as if it happens on Dagobah.
By never showing that the twins are born at the end of RotS, and never showing that Anakin lives (nor naming his as vader), it ultimately does preserve the secret.
Plus, it adds another surprise when suddenly, Luke Skywalker is ALIVE on Tatooine. Someone new to the movies might actually truly be surprised.
By removing "a young jedi named Darth Vader" and simply cutting it as "a young jedi, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" we never have it confirmed that Vader has anything to do with Anakin at all. Thus, when the Vader/Obi-Wan battle takes place, it could very easily be some other grudge from Obi's past (such as another apprentice?).
In the ESB:R thread I suggested an added scene at the end of ANH that plays out like this:
Vader's ship lands on Coruscant at the end of ANH, and seeing him on a landing platform speaking to someone of importance (no clue who) would be a really nice tie in and look pretty cool
"Lord Vader"
"Yes, commander?"
"We have the name of the Rebel Pilot responsible for the destruction of the Death Star"
"What is it (What is his name)?"
"Luke Skywalker, my lord. It appears that he may be the son of Anakin Skywalker."
"That... is impossible"
"I believed all traces of Skywalker were eliminated with the rest of the Jedi."
"As did I commander... as... did... I..."
This now has the first-time viewer torn. The battle with Obi-Wan made us think it's Anakin... but this scene at the end makes it sound like someone else (since Vader is speaking as if it is about someone else).
Ultimately, rearranging in this way does preserve (and add to, in certain ways) the surprises of the OT. Of course it will never perfectly fix the surprise at the end of ESB, but I think it's about as close as you can get.
timdiggerm said:
Ender, nightstalk,
While that's the obvious answer, it means you can't show Ani's death. No lava fight, no explanation for how he ended up so scarred, no nothing.
The whole thing will have to be reworked. You remove Palpatine actually naming Anakin "Darth Vader". You give the impression that Anakin dies on Mustafar. By showing the battle and having him "die" without Palpatine showing up, you can just assume Vader is the new villain of the film, in the same way that Maul and Dooku and Grievous were. You also have to cut most of the tying up stuff. I'm almost thinking you could show Yoda arriving on Dagobah, and end with Padme's funeral procession. If you add Obi-Wan to Padme's funeral, you tie up the fate of everyone you think is alive.
You could also change up Obi-Wan's line from "a young Jedi named Darth vader, who was..." to "a young jedi, who as a pupil of mine...
ImperialFighter said:
To be honest, I have the same problem with this, and was happy to wait until adywan's own future 'official' REVISITED threads, purely so that any good ideas didn't get scattered and lost over *too many* threads
I definitely understand your concerns, and this may not be for everybody. I'm simply trying to offer an outlet for some pent up revisited hype in the final stages of ESB:R where group discussion/input is generally finished. I also have to say that I have really wanted to discuss PT:R for a long time... and having started keeping tabs on these edits at 18, it's seems strange to not discuss the ones I'm really interested in until I'm almost 30...
If Ady requests it, I'm perfectly happy asking a mod to obliterate this whole thread.
Serling1979 said:
I always liked the idea of a second apprentice. It would keep the whole who killed whom story a lot more ambiguous and would make a great reveal in ESB.
The good thing is that the PT offers a lot of potential for these changes. It might sound crazy but we see Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan because we saw the movies.
Ewan and Alec resemble each other but what if Qui-Gon never existed. What if Liam Neeson played Obi-Wan and Ewan and Hayden would play Ani and Darth, respectively. There aren't enough scenes with Liam Neeson in the Episode 1 and it would take a lot of redubs of scenes with Ewan and Hayden to make them totally new characters.
It would be a lot of work but the interaction between the two actors is already there. You would just need to change the tone of the scenes and what the scenes are about. The visual clumsiness of the PT (Obi-Wan=light colored clothes=good guy and Ani=dark colored clothes=bad guy) could be turned into something really symbolic.
What do you think?
I don't really think that Vader as the other apprentice works. It's too clear cut. I think the group of apprentices works best - perhaps show Obi-Wan training a group of jedi. Maybe he could be watching lightsaber training from the top of an arena while talking to Anakin?
Another idea might be to establish "vader" as a term referring to someone who has left the jedi order. I know it sounds strange, but it might play out nicely. The title Darth Vader would then literally translate to "a sith lord who abandoned the jedi".
Yeah... actually kinda amusing that came up. it's like the only thing I responded to on that thread.
How do people feel about splitting up the prequel films. Should Revisited be a reworking of the 3 films with the storylines they have, or should they be combined together into one Revisited Prequel film, or Two Prequel films using the best elements of all three?
I think the only reason it really works is because when Obi-Wan says "a pupil of mine" about Darth Vader it gives the impression that he trained multiple people.
I'm not sure it would be possible to add another apprentice. The only thing I see it working for is to show that Anakin is truly a full fledged jedi. Having him and Obi-Wan working together at the beginning of RotS was a missed opportunity to see Anakin acting on his own. When you keep seeing them together, you start to doubt Anakin's ability to ever strike out on his own.
Alright, I'm going to bite the bullet here and attempt to start this... if it fails, it fails...
This thread is intended to be a discussion of any ideas that you have for the entirety of Adywan's REVISITED SAGA. If you have an idea of what to do in the PT:R, feel free to post it. An idea for a change in ANH:R:SE, great. If you have an idea of something to change in in ROTS that will effect something in ESB and require you to change something else in RotJ for it to work... That's the sort of thing I think would be great to talk about.
I understand there are plenty of discussions of what people would like to be changed in ANY fanedit, but I think that everyone has a slightly different view of how they'd like the Revisited edits to turn out. Some radical ideas like removing the Ewoks altogether might make for a fun edit that I'd love to see... but it's not something I'm looking for in Revisited. For a lot of us, each Revisited edit will replace the official as the version that we watch - and so a lot of us have higher expectations, and certain things we'd like kept in for nostalgia, despite certain negative aspects.
I sincerely hope that I don't offend anyone that is a part of Adywan's Revisited Project by starting this thread. I'm just eager for something new to talk about as I wait for ESB:R.
Let the discussion begin:
A part of me would love to see Ewan McGregor's mole added to Alec Guinness in the OT. A small change that doesn't detract from the film, but does add a nice bit of continuity. Keep in mind that when Ady is done with the Prequels, we probably WON'T hate them, and will enjoy the continuity, as opposed to hating anything that connects the originals to the blasphemy that is the PT.
