Ady, have you or anyone on your team seen Spence's RotJ edit? I really think he's onto something with how he has the beginning of the film play out. I'd like to see it in action, fully revisited (with the deleted lightsaber scene restored)
I actually really like the coloring of the droid in that model. That would be A LOT of work to recolor them all that way, but I think it would have a lot of impact. Menacing red eyes would top that off nicely as well.
Something else to consider is the fact that TPM misuses nature when setting tones. Why does the droid battle/break into the capitol all happen on a beautiful sunny day? Where are the ominous clouds? The distant roar of thunder?
I understand that it's not needed... but in the OT, every environment (with the exception of Endor) really helped set the tone. Endor could've used a lot more shadows and a clostrophobic, wandering aimlessly in the woods type feel.
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I also think that opening technically needs to be reworked... but that opening RotS battle on bluray finally convinced my girlfriend that our HDTV had been a good investment, something even Avatar hadn't been able to do.
It is visually stunning, which IS a common theme in Star Wars. It took the shoddy cgi and digital techniques used for AotC and (mostly) perfected them. It's hard to remember it now because everything is so overpopulated with cgi and modern effects techniques, but the PT really did push the limits of film-making to the same intensity that the OT did. (Ignore how annoying Jar jar is, and consider the breakthrough that he was). The PT simply lacked the storytelling that had been an equal part of the original package - otherwise this opening sequence would still be viewed as brilliant.
Jaitea said:
besides Luke already used a trick to survive when he walked the plank.
Speaking of Luke walking the plank... is there anything that can be done to make this look less cheesy and simple? Perhaps showing a quick shot of Luke's feet falling towards the Sarlacc and making his ascent into the air look slightly more force propelled would work. Or make it look like he was pushed further off the plank and had to struggle a little more when grabbing it.
Also, it would be a lot better IMO if Luke pulls his lightsaber to him with the force as opposed to a lucky, slightly awkward catch.
I expect to see Luke pulling off a few new tricks to show his strength as a Jedi. Especially since the Ranchor scene is a basic, physical battle. When I see the the barge scene, it amuses me to think that the only thing Luke really learned from Yoda was how to do some of his signature AotC flips...
FVDnz said:
An idea I had for ROTJ:R.
Wondering about when they make their way from the battle of Sarlaac and the not forgetting the Droids line. It has been talked about before whether Artoo could end up using his rocket boosters to glide across to the skiff after he knocks Threepio into the sand below. Perhaps there could be a trick where Luke uses the force to carry him aboard or something just to eliminate the slapstick effect?
That's actually a really interesting idea.
If not it's donation time :-)
I'm curious about this... what if you simply remove the episode numbers? I know that seems like a strange fix... but I think the second the OT has shed the episode numbers, I can look at it as a standalone trilogy again.
I think that idea is absolutely brilliant! I honestly think we'd end up getting ANH:R:SE first (sorry, ARSE just isn't doing it for me :P)
Even if not, it would be nice to only have a single wait to complete the OT.
Part of what you have to remember is that fan edits gain their "legality" (even if it is in a gray area) through being an active criticism, by providing what it SHOULD have been.
If you forget the prequels were ever made, and go back to loving the OOT... can you honestly tell me that a Prequel Trilogy should have been made, with the intention of always watching it after the OT? In my head, that makes no sense. When I'm given a 1-3, I expect to watch it before 4-6.
With that in mind, consider the amount of effort Ady has and will continue to put into these edits. Truly, almost anything is possible. Why wouldn't we strive to fit the PT to the OT so that 1-3 are able to come first without screwing anything up? And on Occasion, give the OT a tune-up - George has been changing things to try and match continuity, so Ady's "criticism" of these films is trying to show how that continuity should have been integrated.
I struggle with the idea of removing Skywalker because we have:
Padme Amidala
Jar-Jar Binks
Qui-Gon Jinn
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Mace Windu
Ric Olie
Nute Gunray
a whole bunch of characters who only are referred to by last name and title
... and Yoda because... well, he's Yoda.
It doesn't feel right to me to only ever hear "Anakin".
When he comes looking for his mom in AotC... "Mi boscha Shmi" sounds awful without Skywalker at the end.
I don't think you even hear Luke's last name except once in ANH... I just don't think it's "given away" nearly as much as people are suggesting. I think there is just enough there to get you curious about it. Personally, I like it that way.
... Leave Anakin to die on Mustafar.
Padme's funeral.
Yoda goes to Dagobah.
Emperor/Vader/Tarkin looking at the death star (change that to be Coruscant or something else)
Roll credits.
We lose... NOOOOOOO! and the scenes with the twins. Secret, for the most part, preserved. Where's the cool stuff?
Not showing that Anakin lives, and showing Vader at the end even adds to the deception.
It would still be nice to see the Queen's ship as an exceptionthough, since they are trying to avoid capture/detection.
I would generally like more scenes that take place in space in PT:R - moments like Luke practicing his lightsaber skills and the banter in the RotJ shuttle scenes are sorely lacking in AotC and RotS.
I know this is WAY too far into production to make this suggestion... but I had to offer it anyway :P
Have you considered using Dolphin to capture the game in amazingly-well upconverted 1080p glory?
I've seen some pretty impressive upconversions:
DAMN YOU HOLLYWOOD!!!
Since it is tehnically an error, do you think Ady will do anything along those lines?
Objectively, that is pretty true. Were they to flee Naboo in the Falcon (and we'd never seen the OT), it wouldn't stand out to me in the slightest except seeming slightly shabby for Royalty.
On the other hand, were Han and Chewy to fly the Queen's ship, it would have been great. A sleek, silver ship that blends in and reflects is perfect for smuggling. Now that I think of it, considering the fact that that ship would mirror the things around it, why doesn't it appear black in space?
I do have to disagree slightly - Podracers are definitely memorable. The plotline was kinda contrived that involved them, but I was rather fond of them as a vehicle from the PT.
... or was there? :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmoxwq5uvLk
Bingowings said:
Adding battle damage when it happens is basic continuity and makes perfect sense but once again the shape looks as real as it needs to look.
One of these :
in chrome would look pretty much the same as one of these :
The difference there is texturing. If you look, you can see the realism. The best part about the OT was that it never looked "spacey' or futuristic. It felt common and comfortable. Sure, there are jets out there that look similar, thus basing them in a certain reality, but it's not a reality a vast majority of us identify with closely enough to give it that vintage comforable Star Wars-y feel.
^ I do much prefer those fighters, and would be happy to see Ady replace the ones in the film with those. That'd be A LOT of work though.
I think the problem with the Naboo ship is the fact that it looks almost like a snap together toy rather than something that is of sturdy build quality. Elegance is definitely required when it comes to royalty, but so is protection. It appears when looking at it that it was built ONLY for elegance...
The other problem I really have with it is that it doesn't show any obvious wear and tear after running the blockade It'd be nice to see some slight smoke as it lands on Tattooine, and perhaps some slightly shoddy patch-work visible whenever it is seen after they get the parts for repairs.
I wouldn't be opposed to the redesigned flight controls, etc. I'm sure Ady could do amazing work there.
The Queen's ship audience chamber should be even nicer, IMO. It should look exactly like the Audience chamber in the Captial.
I can already see it... Ady "chasing the mole" for months. :)
Should the PT be desaturated a little to match the OT color palette a little better? Or do people think the PT blus don't need a color correction.
I think the first two definitely need some visual help. I'm torn on RotS though. It is absolutely beautiful on Blu - one of my standard movies to show off on my HDTV. But it looks so much newer than the OT that part of me thinks it needs to be taken down a few notches :/
I can definitely understand that.
To be honest, I don't know how a post RotS prequel would work without further deteriorating the OT reveals... but then again, it's fun to think about. Here's my idea for said project:
Perhaps Vader, accompanied by Tarkin and a small band of troops are sent to seek out and kill one of the few remaining Jedi, hidden on Alderaan. Bail Organa has been hiding him, but can not be prosecuted/imprisoned for it due to the Empire's continued recognition of the rights of Royalty to govern their people (if individual planetary Sovereignty were seized, they would face a much larger scale rebellion).
Leia (10 or 12) somehow gets mixed up in it - perhaps the hidden jedi could be her private tutor. He was sent there to train her, but was instructed not to do so until he was sure she would not stray to the dark side like Anakin. He remained unsure, as she was prone to impassioned outbursts and other such things. The film plays out on Alderaan, with the occasional off world trip just to keep the "Star" in Star Wars. The Jedi is caught in the end, with ensuing Vader/Jedi lightsaber battle. This helps spark the fire of Rebellion. Bail contacts Mon Mothma and tells her it is time. The film could end with the shot of Vader, Tarkin, and the Emperor from the end of RotS, showing the start of the construction of the Death Star.
Hmm... I wonder if muddyknees2000 knows something he's not telling us :P ;)
Monroville said:
And there is nothing saying you can't edit the prequels down into one or two movies... it doesn't HAVE to be 3 you know.
except for this :P
adywan said:
The episode numbers will stay the same as there will still be 3 prequels.
The problem with the PT is the fact that all of the pilots in Ep 2 and Ep 3 are clones. Because there are so many of them, and we only ever get to know one personally (Commander Cody), it's hard to care as much about them. There's a deep dark part of us all that is thinking "There's more where that came from."
The pilot thing would be nice, but the only way I think it would really work is by making the new pilots Jedi. Otherwise, it doesn't make as much sense why they're there.
I'm fine either way, I just figured it would be simpler, since there are far fewer Obi-Wan OT scenes.
