nightstalkerpoet

Part of what you have to remember is that fan edits gain their "legality" (even if it is in a gray area) through being an active criticism, by providing what it SHOULD have been.

If you forget the prequels were ever made, and go back to loving the OOT... can you honestly tell me that a Prequel Trilogy should have been made, with the intention of always watching it after the OT? In my head, that makes no sense. When I'm given a 1-3, I expect to watch it before 4-6.

With that in mind, consider the amount of effort Ady has and will continue to put into these edits. Truly, almost anything is possible. Why wouldn't we strive to fit the PT to the OT so that 1-3 are able to come first without screwing anything up? And on Occasion, give the OT a tune-up - George has been changing things to try and match continuity, so Ady's "criticism" of these films is trying to show how that continuity should have been integrated.

I struggle with the idea of removing Skywalker because we have:

Padme Amidala

Jar-Jar Binks

Qui-Gon Jinn

Obi-Wan Kenobi

Mace Windu

Ric Olie

Nute Gunray

a whole bunch of characters who only are referred to by last name and title

... and Yoda because... well, he's Yoda.

It doesn't feel right to me to only ever hear "Anakin".

When he comes looking for his mom in AotC... "Mi boscha Shmi" sounds awful without Skywalker at the end.

I don't think you even hear Luke's last name except once in ANH... I just don't think it's "given away" nearly as much as people are suggesting. I think there is just enough there to get you curious about it. Personally, I like it that way.

... Leave Anakin to die on Mustafar.

Padme's funeral.

Yoda goes to Dagobah.

Emperor/Vader/Tarkin looking at the death star (change that to be Coruscant or something else)

Roll credits.

We lose... NOOOOOOO! and the scenes with the twins. Secret, for the most part, preserved. Where's the cool stuff?

Not showing that Anakin lives, and showing Vader at the end even adds to the deception. 

It would still be nice to see the Queen's ship as an exceptionthough, since they are trying to avoid capture/detection.

I would generally like more scenes that take place in space in PT:R - moments like Luke practicing his lightsaber skills and the banter in the RotJ shuttle scenes are sorely lacking in AotC and RotS.

I know this is WAY too far into production to make this suggestion... but I had to offer it anyway :P

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DAMN YOU HOLLYWOOD!!!

Since it is tehnically an error, do you think Ady will do anything along those lines?

Objectively, that is pretty true. Were they to flee Naboo in the Falcon (and we'd never seen the OT), it wouldn't stand out to me in the slightest except seeming slightly shabby for Royalty.

On the other hand, were Han and Chewy to fly the Queen's ship, it would have been great. A sleek, silver ship that blends in and reflects is perfect for smuggling. Now that I think of it, considering the fact that that ship would mirror the things around it, why doesn't it appear black in space?

I do have to disagree slightly - Podracers are definitely memorable. The plotline was kinda contrived that involved them, but I was rather fond of them as a vehicle from the PT.

... or was there? :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmoxwq5uvLk

Bingowings said:

Adding battle damage when it happens is basic continuity and makes perfect sense but once again the shape looks as real as it needs to look.

One of these :

in chrome would look pretty much the same as one of these :

 

The difference there is texturing. If you look, you can see the realism. The best part about the OT was that it never looked "spacey' or futuristic. It felt common and comfortable. Sure, there are jets out there that look similar, thus basing them in a certain reality, but it's not a reality a vast majority of us identify with closely enough to give it that vintage comforable Star Wars-y feel.

^ I do much prefer those fighters, and would be happy to see Ady replace the ones in the film with those. That'd be A LOT of work though.

I think the problem with the Naboo ship is the fact that it looks almost like a snap together toy rather than something that is of sturdy build quality. Elegance is definitely required when it comes to royalty, but so is protection. It appears when looking at it that it was built ONLY for elegance...

The other problem I really have with it is that it doesn't show any obvious wear and tear after running the blockade It'd be nice to see some slight smoke as it lands on Tattooine, and perhaps some slightly shoddy patch-work visible whenever it is seen after they get the parts for repairs.

I wouldn't be opposed to the redesigned flight controls, etc. I'm sure Ady could do amazing work there.

The Queen's ship audience chamber should be even nicer, IMO. It should look exactly like the Audience chamber in the Captial.

I can already see it... Ady "chasing the mole" for months. :)

Should the PT be desaturated a little to match the OT color palette a little better? Or do people think the PT blus don't need a color correction.

I think the first two definitely need some visual help. I'm torn on RotS though. It is absolutely beautiful on Blu - one of my standard movies to show off on my HDTV. But it looks so much newer than the OT that part of me thinks it needs to be taken down a few notches :/

I can definitely understand that.

To be honest, I don't know how a post RotS prequel would work without further deteriorating the OT reveals... but then again, it's fun to think about. Here's my idea for said project:

Perhaps Vader, accompanied by Tarkin and a small band of troops are sent to seek out and kill one of the few remaining Jedi, hidden on Alderaan. Bail Organa has been hiding him, but can not be prosecuted/imprisoned for it due to the Empire's continued recognition of the rights of Royalty to govern their people (if individual planetary Sovereignty were seized, they would face a much larger scale rebellion).

Leia (10 or 12) somehow gets mixed up in it - perhaps the hidden jedi could be her private tutor. He was sent there to train her, but was instructed not to do so until he was sure she would not stray to the dark side like Anakin. He remained unsure, as she was prone to impassioned outbursts and other such things. The film plays out on Alderaan, with the occasional off world trip just to keep the "Star" in Star Wars. The Jedi is caught in the end, with ensuing Vader/Jedi lightsaber battle. This helps spark the fire of Rebellion. Bail contacts Mon Mothma and tells her it is time. The film could end with the shot of Vader, Tarkin, and the Emperor from the end of RotS, showing the start of the construction of the Death Star.

Hmm... I wonder if muddyknees2000 knows something he's not telling us :P ;)

Monroville said:

And there is nothing saying you can't edit the prequels down into one or two movies... it doesn't HAVE to be 3 you know.

except for this :P

adywan said:

The episode numbers will stay the same as there will still be 3 prequels.

The problem with the PT is the fact that all of the pilots in Ep 2 and Ep 3 are clones. Because there are so many of them, and we only ever get to know one personally (Commander Cody), it's hard to care as much about them. There's a deep dark part of us all that is thinking "There's more where that came from."

The pilot thing would be nice, but the only way I think it would really work is by making the new pilots Jedi. Otherwise, it doesn't make as much sense why they're there.

I'm fine either way, I just figured it would be simpler, since there are far fewer Obi-Wan OT scenes.

Are you implying that what happens there stays there, Frink? :P

How would you handle Luke leaving after Tattoine then, and not being in the rebel briefing, where he walks in and says "I'm with you too"? I'm all for him not having to go back, I'm just not sure how to bridge the gap.

I'd never suggest removing scenes of Anakin turning to the Dark Side... I'm simply saying that all of the births in RotS need to be removed. Leia, Luke, Vader. If Anakin is never referred to as Vader, and never shown in the suit (nor saved) you can easily assume he is dead.

I also agree... The Prequels should be viable either way. Yes, we all know the twists and turns of Star Wars. But I will say, my girlfriend had never seen the PT and hadn't seen the OT in ten years before I reintroduced her. And my children, who are 2 and 3, won't be able to truly appreciate SW for a couple more years. And eventually they will have kids and as a Grandpa I'll be able to dust off the ol' obsolete physical optical disc media player and show them the Revisited Saga. In my vision, They will get emotionally vested in Anakin and Padme, be truly distraught at his downfall and "death" (finger's crossed :P), shocked that Luke is alive. Inquisitive of who Darth Vader is, shocked/excited to learn that Vader=Anakin...

This is bigger than us. And I'm hoping that the next generation of SW fans doesn't have to go through the initial love then intense hate relationship with the PT that I did growing up (I was 9 when TPM came out). 

Beyond that, I wanna make it all the way through a damn SW Marathon, 1-6 without giving up, which I can't do with the official set. (and it would be nice to have a complete set rather than having to mix and match fanedits that don't always match up nicely).

Has anyone seen Spence's RotJ final edit? I really like his concept for the beginning/rescue, and think if anyone could pull it off right, it's Ady. I was thinking if you insert the deleted scene of Luke building his lightsaber right before sending the droids into the Palace, it should add to the setup and play out very smoothly. This starts the film with the same down tone (with Yoda's death) as ESB left off with. 

Luke can then return to Dagobah after the rescue and have his discussion with Ben.

It warps the chapter numbers... I wonder if Ady has taken this into consideration for ESB:R's crawl (I don't know what he's planning to do with the PT, but it seems like something that is important to be decided on before releasing the OT edits). Perhaps he could split the .m2ts files so that the crawl is a separate .m2ts file that can be replaced at a later date, should he decide to cut it down to two films. (That way you wouldn't have to replace the entire 25 gb worth of files. Only the crawl and menus would have to be replaced to reflect the episode number)

And in a complete saga edit, you have to view it kind of like a single book with 6 chapters. The original book is "Star Wars". And for some reason chapter 3 gives away everything you need to know. Chapter 4 for some reason ignores this information and sets us up for Chapter 5. Chapter 5 then dramatically reveals... everything we already knew from Chapter 3, making it mostly irrelevant. And Chapter 6 follows suit... along with rehashing the plot from Chapter 4 in a new and less interesting way.

The newly edited and expanded book of "Star Wars" should have each Chapter set up the next in a nice, fluid way that makes all of them equally important to the story. 

As it stands, IMHO, ESB is the only film that can stand without at least slight alteration to allow a proper bridging and allow for the mesh. I think my favorite change in ANH:R is "There'll be no escape for the princess this time" which is one of the most obvious... so it can stand up to small changes for the sake of series continuity.

You might lose the Yoda revelation... but it is such a short period of time in which it takes place (from meeting Yoda to learning who he really is) that it's not as big of a loss. It's hard to remember some of the "surprises of the OT"... I'd completely forgotten that first time seeing it where you think he's some random alien there to get on Luke's nerves.

However, I will say that the PT changed it to a different revelation... the revelation that to a certain degree, Yoda did go a bit nuts on Dagobah. I think for a first time viewer watching films 1-6, they might seriously be in shock "Oh my god - That's Yoda now.Wtf happened to him??!!"

Kinda figured. ...You old people and your sophisticated humor :P

Its too late for this... but you should have a brief South Park "Kenny" moment in each of your edits. 

"oh my god, you killed" (insert palpatine saying Darth Maul) "You bastards!"

"oh my god, you killed" (insert Taun We saying Jango Fett) "You bastards!"

This would culminate with a long series of them during Order 66.

I also have an amusing image for a small intermission... I'm a lot younger, so this won't appeal to older folks... but in the middle of every Pokemon episode they have a "Who's that Pokemon" segment... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akt-0oKULAc&feature=related

I can just see "Who's that Serparatist?" "It's General Grievous!" (sound of him coughing)...

... I'm not a big fan of moving Yoda too much in the PT, besides rearranging his lines as per the "Yoda Speech Pattern" thread.

but.. were that to take place, Anakin doesn't ever have to actually meet with Yoda. Obi-Wan says he thought his could train Anakin as well as Yoda trained him. Implying Yoda played no hand in Anakin's training. Perhaps replacing Yoda's shots in the Council with a hologram could work. You could change the background of the scene at the end of TPM (Agree with you the council does, your apprentice skywalker will be) to appear as if it happens on Dagobah.