nightstalkerpoet

pittrek said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

HDR on LED technology is what bothers me. Unless there’s 1:1 Pixel to LED ratio, you’re always going to struggle with abnormalities due to light bleed. Plasma was far better suited to HDR than LED, so it’s a shame to see it go. OLED seems promising but I’m hesitant to buy piggybacking new technologies.

My complaint with 4K Bluray (which was my complaint with Blu Ray in general) is that the push is resolution almost exclusively.

Most of the films being released on 4KBD were mastered in 2k. That means that all of that larger 100GB disc space and H265 compression efficiency is being wasted on an upscaled image. Blurays have consistently done that with older tv shows and especially anime - 1080p upscales of 480p material. I’d much rather see the bitrate that is being wasted on Pseudo Picture information piped into the best possible representation of the source.

Star Wars is going to be affected by it a LOT due to image quality disparities between films -
Ep 1 was mastered at 2k, but has the potential to be remastered at higher quality if the original film sources are available.
Eps 2 and 3 are limited to their 2k masters, which themselves are upscales from 1080p digital sources.
Eps 4-6 have multiple masters, depending on which version is released. The original negatives have the potential to go even beyond 4k if they’re available in good enough condition (quite possible with modern color tools) - if not, Legacy has shown (well, hinted) that a 4k version is very attainable.
Sadly, we’re more likely to get Special Editions, which were scanned at 2k in the 90s, printed to a film negative, which were then rescanned at 4k 1080p in the early 2000’s.
Ep 7 (and presumably 8 and 9 will be) is already mastered at 4k.

With that in mind… everyone knows we’re going to get a 9 film, 4k Bluray Set.
And despite everything above… all 9 will be 4k, H265 encodes. So much wasted space on imaginary “extra detail” at the expense of the actual source material. Your average viewer wouldn’t even know that the film on the disc is only encoded at 2k, but I think there’s a good chance they would notice when watching that it had double the bits per pixel.

Source for the 2K and 4K scans info? AFAIK the original trilogy was scanned only in 1080p

You’re correct about the 4k - it was only a 1080p scan. (Must’ve been thinking the Reliance scan) The 97SE was digitally mastered at 2k though.

HDR on LED technology is what bothers me. Unless there’s 1:1 Pixel to LED ratio, you’re always going to struggle with abnormalities due to light bleed. Plasma was far better suited to HDR than LED, so it’s a shame to see it go. OLED seems promising but I’m hesitant to buy piggybacking new technologies.

My complaint with 4K Bluray (which was my complaint with Blu Ray in general) is that the push is resolution almost exclusively.

Most of the films being released on 4KBD were mastered in 2k. That means that all of that larger 100GB disc space and H265 compression efficiency is being wasted on an upscaled image. Blurays have consistently done that with older tv shows and especially anime - 1080p upscales of 480p material. I’d much rather see the bitrate that is being wasted on Pseudo Picture information piped into the best possible representation of the source.

Star Wars is going to be affected it a LOT due to image quality disparities between films -
Ep 1 was mastered at 2k, but has the potential to be remastered at higher quality if the original film sources are available.
Eps 2 and 3 are limited to their 2k masters, which themselves are upscales from 1080p digital sources.
Eps 4-6 have multiple masters, depending on which version is released. The original negatives have the potential to go even beyond 4k if they’re available in good enough condition - if not, Legacy has shown (well, hinted) that a 4k version is very attainable.
Sadly, we’re more likely to get Special Editions, which were scanned at 2k in the 90s, printed to a film negative, which were then rescanned at 4k in the early 2000’s.
Ep 7 (and presumably 8 and 9 will be) is already mastered at 4k.

With that in mind… everyone knows we’re going to get a 9 film, 4k Bluray Set.
And despite everything above… all 9 will be 4k, H265 encodes. So much wasted space on imaginary “extra detail” at the expense of the actual source material. Your average viewer wouldn’t even know that the film on the disc is only encoded at 2k, but I think there’s a good chance they would notice when watching that it had double the bits per pixel.

Couldn’t you potentially take every laserdisc source, align them, then do a motion based average the same way Althor does to average his laserdisc captures? You could even pad and align Pan and Scan versions using a transparent background (so that the padding isn’t taken into account in the average). Considering the number of Star Wars laserdiscs, this easily provides 10+ sources to combine for what should be at minimum the equivalent of the GOUT 77 crawl.

You’ll be able to, but you won’t be able to maintain it as DTS-HD. You’ll have to go to something like flac, or perhaps just pcm

Sorry, Just realized you responded -

I’m not sure if your other thread takes it into account or not. I was meaning a video scanning technique - here’s a simple example to try and explain:

Frame 1: 7 shades of blue, 6 shades of green, 3 shades of red
Frame 2: 3 shades of blue, 3 shades of green, 1 shade of red
Frame 3: 4 shades of blue, 5 shades of green, 4 shades of red
Frame 4: 4 shades of blue, 4 shades of green, 4 shades of red
Frame 5: 5 shades of blue, 3 shades of green, 5 shades of red

My idea is to scan the file for the frame with the most colors (with a small bias of evenly dispersed colors).
In this case the scan would get a result of “Frame 3”, since it has the highest minimum color, as well as an extra shade of green. Even though “Frame 1” technically has the highest color variance, it is not chosen because of the lower minimum for shades of red - this avoids radically over-defining some colors at the expense of others. However, “Frame 4” is also passed by because after the minimum has been established, the additional shade of green in “Frame 3” is still helpful in defining the color shift.

Since the Color Correction model is based on a single frame matched between two sources, wouldn’t this help identify the frame most useful for the process?

Well Roxanne… if you’re in an AT-AT, you don’t have to put on the red light.

In all seriousness Dre, patent your process.

Out of curiosity, is there a way to factor projection attributes into your algorithm? I’m assuming scanning of the film is taking place an inch or less from the frame. This wouldn’t reflect standard contrast and saturation loss from projecting the image.

So Towne, when ARE we getting the 16:9 Pan and Scan version 😉 😛

My justification for the scan is the presence of actual film grain and film stock color attributes. Yes, scans would be awesome for the pieces of this edit that need them, but I’d really like scans for projects like emanswfans.

Just an idea, since you seem to enjoy finding all these awesome ways to do color correction. Would you be able to implement a function in your color correct tool that scans a video file for the frame with the most visible colors (of course including qualifiers that require a certain amount of those colors have to be within a select range of each primary color so that you don’t just get a frame with 100,000+ shades of red.) If I’m correct, given that single frame, you’d be provided with the best option for a single frame color model full film correction.

To piggyback on the “maybe she was called back to Coruscant for a special Senate session” thing, it wouldn’t be out of character for the Emperor to take all of the Senators hostage immediately after dissolving the senate “for their own protection”. There could be a whole chain of events going on in the background that we don’t see where a different sect of Rebels is working to save Mon Mothma and any other Senators with Alliance sympathies.

The music just didn’t do it for me in the trailer, but beyond that it looked cool.

Here’s hoping Vader does show up and actually kill a main character or two - presumably this is a one off for this cast which provides a wonderful opportunity for menacing death.

I can totally picture a grindhouse style Vader slasher film 😎

Hey DrDre - would you be able to use this to fix something like Fellowship of the Rings EE that has had a blanket teal shift applied?

Count me in on the early mkv.

I will probably wait until ESB 2.5 is available, then release an updated 3 in 1.

The Blu-Ray sound mix is different and much improved from what I heard in theaters. I was very unimpressed with how they used John Williams’ score when I saw it in theaters. Things seem to be leveled out here and they sound stunning.

doubleofive said:

Except, you know, for the time when he added “THIS MEANS YOU RONSTER” to the thread title. 😉

Did this actually happen?

EDIT: Okay, okay, a quick google search told me it happened. I retract my statement by like 63 percent.

I’d just like to say it amuses me that after two pages of mostly nonsense and troll-bating (which yes, if people wouldn’t respond to would just stop)… everyone can still fall back on yelling at Ronster for posts directly related to the project. From a certain point of view, suggestions closed simply means “no further suggestions will be integrated into the project”, as opposed to quit suggesting ideas - I’ve taken Ady’s multiple responses to Ronster’s posts to mean he really isn’t that bothered by them.

Hey Althor, have you captured the “For those who remember… one last time” trailer that’s on the Star Wars Faces ld’s? Looking for a high quality version of that for a project I’m working on.

You’re all pretty. And smelling of manly flowers. Especially Ady, a man who deserves to get lei’d by a wookie daily.

In the meantime, guess who likes to Strike Back…

That’s right. The Empire.

Thread re-railed.

My guess is it takes an extra year for every exaggerated sarcastic remark like that^. Ady probably finished all six films years ago and each time, right as he’s about to surprise us, he jumps on here to post, reads a comment about things “taking to long” and sighs thinking “Maybe next year…”

I’m very fond of L8’s Episode 3. His eps 1 and 2, while narrative great, feel rushed to me. Not in an actual pacing way, in a lack of transitions way. He tries to keep as much as possible, and in some instances that means faster wipes and scene jumps that are jarring by their general feel, rather than by video or audio hiccups.

Faster. More intense.

Well… The only PT film that was really specialized was Episode 1… Definitely my hope 😃

How is this progressing? Still waiting eagerly 😃

In the kitchen. Socially.