nightstalkerpoet

We all know feminist overreach is the root of all of our problems. Kids raised by nannys and babysitters while both parents work. Then parents come home to kids that don’t respect them because they’re never there. So kids get brought home constant “surprises” to bribe obedience. And since parents don’t have the time to console kids that lost games (that often their childcare providers took them to), and don’t want to admit that it’s their responsibility to help them learn from the experience, they call to bitch at coaches during lunch breaks because “the coach” caused their kid to be upset.

Yeah it’s great everyone has equality and can work and succeed (i think whomever is better suited to be financially successful should be the breadwinner, gender regardless) but… The generations that decided “we’re BOTH going to get the career we want AND have kids” are the ones teaching kids that its possible to have your cake and eat it too.

Then they complain because kids should “quit complaining and step up and work hard to make the changes necessary”. Who the hell taught them how to do that - the daycare lady watching 15 other kids, the 16 year old babysitter? The parents that act like their friends on the weekend because they’re guilty they didn’t see them all week?

Sidenote: Has anyone on here put together an '81 crawl with '77 starfield?

My guess is that this poster is just meant to illustrate the age of the saga in comparison to TFA - a 40 year old poster achieves this far better than a 20 year old poster could.

However, if they’re only doing a “Standard” screening, RotJ would be more ideal to show to illustrate the films continuation.

Likely, ANH will be the first of the 3D OT showings to follow up AotC and RotS last year.

Unless they’re testing to gauge interest (which honestly is stupid because the general rule of Star Wars is “If you sell it, they will buy”, I think they’d be smart enough to advertise heavily that this is a newly remastered NON-SE version. Fox/Lucas may have not understood or cared, but Disney has always pushed the “fresh from the vaults, newly remastered, anniversary edition” harder than any other company I’ve seen.

As for the 77 with 81 crawl, I think that is highly dependent on how the film is being released. A standalone 40th anniversary edition next year would be a great opportunity for the original crawl. However, if they release an Original Unaltered Trilogy, I think it more likely that we’ll get the 81 crawl (which is all that was available on video for years with minimal complaints). Certainly if they go to the effort of releasing them, I’d hope they put the effort into seamless branching. I personally like the continuity of the 81 crawl better so that one positive piece of the GOUT featuring the 77 was just another negative for me.

also… in defense of us millennials - keep in mind that older generations grew up with only 3 movies. Those movies were heavily advertised by their titles. Star Wars at that point was one movie that was such a huge phenomenon that EVERYONE knew about it. ESB and RotJ didn’t even have to be advertised with the SW title attached because everyone was (or knew someone who was) waiting impatiently for them. For nearly 20 years, whenever you talked about the films, you said SW, ESB, and ROTJ

I was 9 when Phantom Menace came out - and thus began a different Marketing strategy. All you kept hearing was Star Wars: Episode 1. Suddenly “Star Wars” was more ambiguous, especially since everyone was talking about the new movie. “Have you seen the new Star Wars trailer” (because who wants to say Star Wars: Episode 1 every time? and unlike the OT, “The Phantom Menace” was not a title you could say and everyone knew what you meant.)

Then came the other two, with more of the same. To this day, when I say TPM people ask “That’s Episode 1 right?”

With “Star Wars” as a title now more confusing, most people still didn’t jump on the A New Hope bandwagon - the title just never seemed to be incredibly inspired, though the vast majority of us know which film it refers to. Instead, people tried initially to call it Episode IV, but that felt too weird when talking about the original movie. Instead, you started hearing “Star Wars: The Original Movie” and “Star Wars: The First One” (I actually hear this one more often, which is amusing considering the small level of confusion it causes with TPM).

Consider this as well: TFA used the same (or very similar) advertising concept as the OT. The “Episode 7” pushes were kept minimal, returning instead to a focus on the title. Over the last 4 years, I’ve steadily felt “The Force Awakens” become a part of the general population’s consciousness.

So, as a millennial (or close to it), I’ve found the general view of the people I know is the films are thought of as Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, The First One, ESB, RotJ, TFA. Without the luxury of 20 years of practice calling the movie Star Wars, and due to deliberate creative advertising decisions, I think it’s a little unfair to blame us for this.

Haven’t seen this talked about anywhere, so just in case anyone here is in contact with someone that could get their hands on these - wouldn’t the Dialogue+Sound Effect Audio tracks used in the live Symphony concerts be an unmatched resource for fan edits (especially PT edits) and OT audio restorations?

What if you replaced Snoke with Zordon from Power Rangers? Cheesier and you could lip match.

Hey DrDre

Since you appear to be our resident “build algorithms from scratch” guy, I have a request.

Multiple projects on this site use some form of an average of multiple captures or sources.

I’ve seen a few different ways people are doing this, but they appear to be limited to mean and median averages. IMO, a mode average would be the preferred method of averaging in this specific instance, but I’ve never found a plugin or tool that implements mode. Avisynth would be the preferred platform, but perhaps it’s something you could implement in a matlab environment?

Is this something you could/would be willing to look into?

Not sure that it will benefit it too much, but perhaps a solid TPM DVD Upscale would provide a reasonably usable source? We’ve seen pretty amazing work done with OT upscales, and I know some scripts allow you to set how much a certain source will be used in the average.

MultiAVCHD should be an option in BD Reauthor Mode. There’s even the potential you could swap out the video from the mkv into the Bluray, since it is technically BD-Compatible.

Were the original audio files used or did you render new ones that were Encore Compliant? (this could have an impact on video or audio swapping)

Edit: just saw the video question posted. Many authoring programs are very strict about which files they will accept (DVD Architect is awful about this) - I’d imagine this is to ensure maximum compatibility and avoid extra troubleshooting questions of “I rendered my project, why won’t it work”

darthrush said:

Will there by a AVCHD (BD9) version of this?

Probably not an official. However, BD Rebuilder should do so nicely.

On another note, any MEGA recipients that would be willing to make some donations to my spleen would be appreciated. I can only plant seeds so fast.

This isn’t really radical, but I was curious what people would think about not having Anakin kill the Sandpeople in Episode 2 (or if there’s an edit where he doesn’t).

You can even leave in the Anakin/Padme talk later, heavily condensed (here’s a brief mockup):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By9sWLF9s-s6NG1IZWdsa05Wcmc

Even better if you could get the line “Sometimes there’s things no one can fix” in there. Changes the whole scene to a serious, emotional interaction. Especially without the ‘he just killed people and now he’s telling her’ vibe of the original, or even the ‘he just killed people and now he’s hiding it from her’ vibe of most fanedits.

AotC really had a missed opportunity in that rather than build Anakin up to have a huge fall in Ep 3, they chose to say “oops, his backpack split open and he lost most of his supplies”. Pretty much guaranteeing that even if he reached the top, he’d never survive. Yes, we knew the ending. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have walked away from Ep 2 loving Anakin as a character. (Sadly, the metaphorical backpack only had a small split in it and we had to watch his supplies slip through 1 by 1 the whole damn film)

Where does reel 2 start and end?

Ady did a great job with that duel.

My only issue with Revisited is that on repeat viewing, his from scratch Death Star shots stand out. They were awesome the first few times, but over the years (and with better, larger TVs) they’ve begun to show their “homemade seams”. With the exception of that, I’m quite happy with revisited and it remains one of the best looking DVDs, fanmade or commercial, that I’ve ever seen.

Beyond that though, I think that plenty of us would be far happier with the OT Special Edition (97 Version) if in ANH
-Han Shoots First
-No Jabba Scene
in ESB
-Wampa Scene new shots were removed
-Luke doesn’t scream as he falls
in RotJ
-No Jedi Rocks

Most of these were so blatant that they’re impossible to ignore, and are the real reason most of the hate and fan frustration arose. I’d love to see a release without these things with the full SE color timing.

Kitreena said:

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pittrek said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

HDR on LED technology is what bothers me. Unless there’s 1:1 Pixel to LED ratio, you’re always going to struggle with abnormalities due to light bleed. Plasma was far better suited to HDR than LED, so it’s a shame to see it go. OLED seems promising but I’m hesitant to buy piggybacking new technologies.

My complaint with 4K Bluray (which was my complaint with Blu Ray in general) is that the push is resolution almost exclusively.

Most of the films being released on 4KBD were mastered in 2k. That means that all of that larger 100GB disc space and H265 compression efficiency is being wasted on an upscaled image. Blurays have consistently done that with older tv shows and especially anime - 1080p upscales of 480p material. I’d much rather see the bitrate that is being wasted on Pseudo Picture information piped into the best possible representation of the source.

Star Wars is going to be affected by it a LOT due to image quality disparities between films -
Ep 1 was mastered at 2k, but has the potential to be remastered at higher quality if the original film sources are available.
Eps 2 and 3 are limited to their 2k masters, which themselves are upscales from 1080p digital sources.
Eps 4-6 have multiple masters, depending on which version is released. The original negatives have the potential to go even beyond 4k if they’re available in good enough condition (quite possible with modern color tools) - if not, Legacy has shown (well, hinted) that a 4k version is very attainable.
Sadly, we’re more likely to get Special Editions, which were scanned at 2k in the 90s, printed to a film negative, which were then rescanned at 4k 1080p in the early 2000’s.
Ep 7 (and presumably 8 and 9 will be) is already mastered at 4k.

With that in mind… everyone knows we’re going to get a 9 film, 4k Bluray Set.
And despite everything above… all 9 will be 4k, H265 encodes. So much wasted space on imaginary “extra detail” at the expense of the actual source material. Your average viewer wouldn’t even know that the film on the disc is only encoded at 2k, but I think there’s a good chance they would notice when watching that it had double the bits per pixel.

Source for the 2K and 4K scans info? AFAIK the original trilogy was scanned only in 1080p

You’re correct about the 4k - it was only a 1080p scan. (Must’ve been thinking the Reliance scan) The 97SE was digitally mastered at 2k though.

HDR on LED technology is what bothers me. Unless there’s 1:1 Pixel to LED ratio, you’re always going to struggle with abnormalities due to light bleed. Plasma was far better suited to HDR than LED, so it’s a shame to see it go. OLED seems promising but I’m hesitant to buy piggybacking new technologies.

My complaint with 4K Bluray (which was my complaint with Blu Ray in general) is that the push is resolution almost exclusively.

Most of the films being released on 4KBD were mastered in 2k. That means that all of that larger 100GB disc space and H265 compression efficiency is being wasted on an upscaled image. Blurays have consistently done that with older tv shows and especially anime - 1080p upscales of 480p material. I’d much rather see the bitrate that is being wasted on Pseudo Picture information piped into the best possible representation of the source.

Star Wars is going to be affected it a LOT due to image quality disparities between films -
Ep 1 was mastered at 2k, but has the potential to be remastered at higher quality if the original film sources are available.
Eps 2 and 3 are limited to their 2k masters, which themselves are upscales from 1080p digital sources.
Eps 4-6 have multiple masters, depending on which version is released. The original negatives have the potential to go even beyond 4k if they’re available in good enough condition - if not, Legacy has shown (well, hinted) that a 4k version is very attainable.
Sadly, we’re more likely to get Special Editions, which were scanned at 2k in the 90s, printed to a film negative, which were then rescanned at 4k in the early 2000’s.
Ep 7 (and presumably 8 and 9 will be) is already mastered at 4k.

With that in mind… everyone knows we’re going to get a 9 film, 4k Bluray Set.
And despite everything above… all 9 will be 4k, H265 encodes. So much wasted space on imaginary “extra detail” at the expense of the actual source material. Your average viewer wouldn’t even know that the film on the disc is only encoded at 2k, but I think there’s a good chance they would notice when watching that it had double the bits per pixel.

Couldn’t you potentially take every laserdisc source, align them, then do a motion based average the same way Althor does to average his laserdisc captures? You could even pad and align Pan and Scan versions using a transparent background (so that the padding isn’t taken into account in the average). Considering the number of Star Wars laserdiscs, this easily provides 10+ sources to combine for what should be at minimum the equivalent of the GOUT 77 crawl.

You’ll be able to, but you won’t be able to maintain it as DTS-HD. You’ll have to go to something like flac, or perhaps just pcm

Sorry, Just realized you responded -

I’m not sure if your other thread takes it into account or not. I was meaning a video scanning technique - here’s a simple example to try and explain:

Frame 1: 7 shades of blue, 6 shades of green, 3 shades of red
Frame 2: 3 shades of blue, 3 shades of green, 1 shade of red
Frame 3: 4 shades of blue, 5 shades of green, 4 shades of red
Frame 4: 4 shades of blue, 4 shades of green, 4 shades of red
Frame 5: 5 shades of blue, 3 shades of green, 5 shades of red

My idea is to scan the file for the frame with the most colors (with a small bias of evenly dispersed colors).
In this case the scan would get a result of “Frame 3”, since it has the highest minimum color, as well as an extra shade of green. Even though “Frame 1” technically has the highest color variance, it is not chosen because of the lower minimum for shades of red - this avoids radically over-defining some colors at the expense of others. However, “Frame 4” is also passed by because after the minimum has been established, the additional shade of green in “Frame 3” is still helpful in defining the color shift.

Since the Color Correction model is based on a single frame matched between two sources, wouldn’t this help identify the frame most useful for the process?

Well Roxanne… if you’re in an AT-AT, you don’t have to put on the red light.

In all seriousness Dre, patent your process.

Out of curiosity, is there a way to factor projection attributes into your algorithm? I’m assuming scanning of the film is taking place an inch or less from the frame. This wouldn’t reflect standard contrast and saturation loss from projecting the image.

So Towne, when ARE we getting the 16:9 Pan and Scan version 😉 😛

My justification for the scan is the presence of actual film grain and film stock color attributes. Yes, scans would be awesome for the pieces of this edit that need them, but I’d really like scans for projects like emanswfans.

Just an idea, since you seem to enjoy finding all these awesome ways to do color correction. Would you be able to implement a function in your color correct tool that scans a video file for the frame with the most visible colors (of course including qualifiers that require a certain amount of those colors have to be within a select range of each primary color so that you don’t just get a frame with 100,000+ shades of red.) If I’m correct, given that single frame, you’d be provided with the best option for a single frame color model full film correction.

To piggyback on the “maybe she was called back to Coruscant for a special Senate session” thing, it wouldn’t be out of character for the Emperor to take all of the Senators hostage immediately after dissolving the senate “for their own protection”. There could be a whole chain of events going on in the background that we don’t see where a different sect of Rebels is working to save Mon Mothma and any other Senators with Alliance sympathies.

The music just didn’t do it for me in the trailer, but beyond that it looked cool.

Here’s hoping Vader does show up and actually kill a main character or two - presumably this is a one off for this cast which provides a wonderful opportunity for menacing death.

I can totally picture a grindhouse style Vader slasher film 😎