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Chewy72 said:

For a guy that bitches at people taking the new SW stuff too seriously, I think you are doing EXACTLY the same with the Terminator franchise.  As you have said to others who criticize the PT and the new TV show, maybe YOU need to lighten up and just forget about the stuff you hate and just enjoy the Original Terminator.  Remember the thread is about bad sequels, so there is no need to go on a tirade on how much you hate the TV show and spinoffs.

I love the irony from you guys like you sometimes:)

 

the problem is that the Terminator series (like Aliens) had a lot of potential... if you read the

novels, or graphic novels, you'll see they had a lot of better plots (although sometimes just

as confusing)...........................  i'm not a Huge fan of aliens / terminator, but i've actually

watched them a lot more than i've ever watched the star war series... so that's why i

feel more strongly about the way they've been mishandled....

the first terminator and the first alien movie are among my all time favorites, and great

classics of film (just like 'star wars' is)..... so it is grating and annoying that they've

been mishandled badly ..... with star wars i give it more leeway, because i'm not as

entrenched in the stories (i think i lost touch back in the late 80's)... but am now slowly

getting back into it..

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C3PX said:

-1, if I could use two words to describe you, it would be "yes-man". You seem to be of the "bend over and take it philosophy". Not that there is anything wrong with that, from what I understands it makes life a hell of a lot easier.

easier ? no its the exact opposite....

didn't you see the list of all the versions i've bought since 1.0 ....

how do you think maintaining compatiblity through all those versions has gone through

the years...... you call that easy??????????????? 

in fact with VISTA, i had some issues at the beginning which caused me to downgrade

to XP temporarily..............................................

when you need software that works with a specific version of windows, you don't have

much of a choice do you>?????

besides, i even found a computer (a pentium 4) someone left, and fixed it up for free,

and i have put windows 95/98/XP on a multiboot, because i have programs (mostly games)

THAT ONLY work with specific versions of windows... and will probably never work with XP,

or VISTA...... i dont' call that easy...

So, while they weren't forcing you at gun point to upgrade to Vista, they were certianly trying to make things as complicated as possible for those who did not.

like i said, what do you want them to do? not make a new OS?

not compete with osx, or linux? sit back and keep trying to patch the outdated XP?

no, they have to make new versions, its part of their business model.....

and its always been complicated upgrading..... did you even notice all the problems with

windows 98? (notice all the service packs).. how about the problems with XP? (again, mulitple

service packs)....   VISTA has actually been EASIER to move to, then the upgrades to NT 3.0, NT3.1,

NT 4.0, windows 2000, and yes even XP..

XP had terrible issues when it came out, and i could barely get most of my programs to work

with it..

VISTA has mostly been a breeze, and now that there is service pack, more drivers, and support,

its the way to go forward...

i expect WINDOWS 7 will streamline it even further..

It sucks for everyone who dished out the cash to upgrade, only to need to do it again a few years later, while the upgrade they did pay for already has been nothing but a buggy pain in the **** from the getgo.

 no, that's just a part of their system, i take it you've never needed to upgrade,

so just skip out on it again..

EVERY VERSION OF WINDOWS RELEASED had bugs, this is nothing new...

for those people that constantly use software, and need the newest versions,

we'll be the ones trying it out, while you wait or get left behind...

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ferris209 said:

I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't try so hard to force Vista down our throats, not that I don't like it, but it is damn near impossible to buy a new computer with XP installed. Even if you find one that will install it, like Dell, then you're not 100% sure that the drivers will work, like in my new Dell E6400. If they had made the Vista a purely optional deal, then yeah I wouldn't mind so much.

 where are you buying your computers from?

how hard is it to get your own parts, and put together a computer, or go to

a smaller retailer that makes systems????

i've been putting together systems since the 8088 came out, and only recently

with all the changes in computers, am now getting back into it..

its not that hard to avoid VISTA..... did you even try to look around?

(and you could always get a computer with LINUX if you wanted)..

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TMBTM said:

 the amount of f/x can be adjusted.

Right, if I ever make a "dusty version" of my edit, I'll try to not put too much of these "big noise white shapes", because they are too caracteristic, they kind of screams "I'm a filter!". But without them and with not too much vertical lines (and maybe with a little photo grain added to the picture) it could works well on a full lenght movie without being boring or irritating.

As for the 4:3 resolution, I did not think about that; I guess it deserves a try, but I don't know... (not to say I would have to redo all my texts cards! NooOOoo, please don't let this appends!)

 the cards could be resized, and you could also make the text bigger and easier to read..

you will have to use the fullscreen versions of all the videos.... because if you try to make your

own, it might not look right..

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getting back to rescaling images..

there's a photoshop plugin with batch capability that looks impressive:

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http://www.alienskin.com/blowup/index.aspx

Image Quality: Blow Up® 2 is a Photoshop® plug-in that produces enlargements dramatically sharper than any other software, especially Photoshop! Blow Up uses an innovative algorithm that temporarily converts pixels to a vector representation which results in perfectly smooth, crisp edges. Simulated texture and film grain keep photos looking natural even in extreme enlargements. Blow Up can even clean up JPEG compression artifacts when a client insists on using a low quality source image from the Web.

Image Quality
Image quality is improved in many ways. Results are sharper, both during upsizing and downsizing. Noisy images are handled better. Research from our Exposure product was used to improve simulated grain. You now have control over simulated natural texture.

examples at:

http://www.alienskin.com/blowup/blowup_examples.aspx

check it out...

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if you want to ,

take the fixes from that are being made, and just make a separate

new AVS file, like for instance 3.09b -> ESBfixes.avs

that way, you can keep the old version 3.09 -> gforce GOUT.avs

and they will be separate, and not have issues that affect one,

and not the other...

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C3PX said:

I still think if young George could meet old George and see what he has accomplished, he'd be more than a little disappointed. He went from being a young film maker with a vision, to an old fat man with **** loads of money.

 just to put things in your perspective, i knew they were popular,

but i never realized this much:

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Forbes Magazine has estimated that the franchise has made approximately $20 billion US, making it the most successful film franchise ever.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2007/05/24/starwars-anniversary.html

if you have access to a fraction of that much money, i guess you can do pretty much

whatever you want, and not really care about what anybody thinks about it..

thats how i would feel too, and so would most people....(otherwise, they'd just be

lying about it)..

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i remember it being aired in Canada at an earlier time than '84,

i had a tv guide with the picture on the cover..

of course i can't find any proof on the internet, and i don't have

my issue with me..

i'll do some research into it..

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Ziz said:

Ok, ok, I forgot to put "within each format".  Jezuzfuckingchrist, some people are so nitpicky that they can't take a thought any further than what's presented to them.

 

i think you missed my point completely..

WHAT difference does it make whether it's limited or not?

there are ALWAYS going to be new formats, so why should it matter

what they state..

caveat : i've never owned a vcr, or bought a videotape or rented one, so i guess

it was hard to get these movies in those formats?????

also, i started buying laserdiscs only, so i never had a problem finding them in that

format.....

as far as dvd's go, there's always a used market for them......

maybe , i should have clarified what i meant..

also, i've never seen an advertisement for 'star wars' being limited, so thats

why i never thought it was an issue..

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ferris209 said:

vbangle said:

Darth Chaltab said:

They're leaving the basic architecture the same as Vista, but I think they're going to target the issues a lot of people had with it.

 

Which is why this release is *******. Instead of a new $300 OS this should of been SP2 or SP3...regardless it's a complete bend over and take it in the **** moment from Uncle Bill again.....no thanks.

 

That's my main point, I didn't see anything wrong with making all these improvements to Vista as SP3, even if they wanted to get away from the whole tainted "Vista" name they could have easily had SP3 re-title Vista to Windows 7 and even make the whole SP3 a big marketing campaign, but it all comes down to the almighty dollar.

 so, you don't think apple charges for every single 0.1 upgrade to 0sx???

and you think that since service packs are free, that this major upgrade should be free???

how is that supposed to work??????

there's no way this could even remotely be considered a service pack..

don't you think in 2 years or so (when it really gets finished), that all the

work they do on it, will include major revisions, and fixes?????

how you think this can be a service pack is beyond me..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

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Windows 7 includes a number of new features, such as advancements in touch, speech, and handwriting recognition, support for virtual hard disks, improved performance on multi-core processors, improved boot performance, and kernel improvements.

According to reports sent to TG Daily, the Milestone 1 build of Windows 7 adds support for systems using multiple heterogeneous graphics cards from different vendors and a new version of Windows Media Center. New features in Milestone 1 also reportedly include Gadgets being integrated into Windows Explorer, a Gadget for Windows Media Center, the ability to visually pin and unpin items from the Start Menu and Recycle Bin, improved media features, the XPS Essentials Pack being integrated, and a multiline Calculator featuring Programmer and Statistics modes along with unit conversion.

Reports indicate that a feedback tool included in Milestone 1 lists some coming features: the ability to store Internet Explorer settings on a Windows Live account, updated versions of Paint and WordPad, and a 10-minute install process.In addition, improved network connection tools might be included.

Many new items have been added to Control Panel including: Accelerators, ClearType Text Tuner, Display Color Calibration Wizard, Gadgets, Infrared, Recovery, Troubleshooting, Workspaces Center, Location and Other Sensors, Credential Manager, Biometric Devices, System Icons, Windows Solution Center, and Display. Windows Security Center has been renamed the Windows Solution Center (Windows Health Center in earlier builds) which encompass both security and maintenance of the computer.

and more: http://news.digitaltrends.com/talk-back/270/windows-7-kicking-mac-os-butt

=======================

like i said, they'll charge you for an upgrade, and that's it..

if you want it, fine...

if you don't , stick with XP/VISTA

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Molly said:

If you really want the old look use a Pan-Scan version

 i don't think they had pan and scan back then..

maybe a square 4:3 fullscreen resolution, i know they

didn't have widescreen 16:9 resolution for quite some time..

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ok,

now that its 'out' ****AHEM****not saying where, check the usual sources,

i'm checking out the 720p and dvd versions....

granted the storyline is weaker than the TV episodes,

but it did set up the show, and the characters....

still its fun to watch in high resolution....

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about bad sequels/prequels/etc..

you might enjoy this thread (or maybe not)..

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-most-godawful-sequel/post/329589/#post329589

discussing bad sequels/remakes etc..

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Janskeet said:

Whoever said Termainator 2 is a bad sequel, I have to strongly disagree. Terminator 2 was a landmark in cinema.

 besides the special effects, what else was 'landmark' about it?

the first one is the landmark, all the others were just rehashing

the same plot with a lesser, more confusing story that retroactively

changes the story to a much weaker storyline..

and on top of that, they refuse to stop confusing things, now with

a tv show, and a fourth movie....ughhhhhhhhhh... just like aliens

deteriorated into straight-to-video (or it should have)..

the terminator franchise is being killed off, and it started with the weak plot from the 2nd movie..

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well, you do think microsoft just sits around waiting for something

to happen with their OS'es, before working on another one?

you don't have to buy it, so stick with VISTA if it works for you..

do you think there's never going to be another version? VISTA has

been out for 2 years, and they want to change it, so let them...

you can always get an upgrade..

do you even think you'll have the same computer 2 years from now?

so you'll probably end up getting windows 7 with a new computer anyway..

it's a non-issue: these

are the versions i've bought

==================

windows 1.0-> 2.0

windows 2.0 -> 3.0

windows 3.0 -> 3.1

(yes, there was windows 286/386, but i didn't

get those when they came out)..

windows 3.1 -> 95

windows 95 -> ME ->98

windows 98 -> NT

windows NT -> 2000

2000 -> XP

XP -> Vista

vista -> windows 7

 (yes, there are different versions of XP/VISTA,

and the server versions , i have left them out)..;

so what else is new?

or have you not been paying attention?

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bkev said:

The GOUT would look even worse in HD, ironically, due to its resolution level.  Letterbox it looks... well, sub-par, but watchable if you're not planning on paying too much attention.  Stretched to widescreen TV it looks horrid, not only is it more blurry but with that comes less detail.  HD is an even bigger upscale, which means it would look just as bad - if not worse - than a stretched widescreen picture.

 once again, check out the progress in the uprez to HD thread,

mentioned in my signature.. could be getting interesting soon..

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Vaderisnothayden said:

And a restoration couldn't be done without the prints that were destroyed? Is there any material left a restoration could be done from? Or could the laserdisc material be used as a basis for a restoration? (Sorry, I'm totally ignorant about the technical aspects.)

 you might want to check out the 'fan edits and preservation' forum,

there are several active projects that are ongoing to address several of these issues

including:

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conversion from LD - x0 project

conversion from 16mm

conversion from 35mm

hybrids from HDTV versions

image stabilization/color correction  (see my signature for links)

-> see : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/topic/9038/page/15/ for pics/videos

uprez to HD (see my signature for links)

->still images : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Any-Suggestions-for-Better-Uprez-to-HD/topic/8971/page/2/ and see previous pages also..

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ESHBG said:

Ziz said:

They're "limited" to how many times the same product can be re-boxed and re-sold.  How many times over the years of VHS and LaserDisc were the films going to be available "FOR THE LAST TIME EVER!!!!"?

Yeah Luca$ and Disney sure have a lot in common LOL

 

 so, did you think VHS and laserdisc were going to last forever?

do you think DVD's and bluray are going to last?

you might want think about the difference between marketing hyperbole,

and technical improvement...

nothings going to last, so what difference does it make whether they state that

or not?

as long as you can find it, in whatever format you want, its still around..

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Scruffy said:

The common denominator here is that these series crashed after the original creative talent left, or was dismissed. Not so with Star Wars: George Lucas was always there. It is with some perverse delight that I imagine the series might have been better had Lucas relinquished more control in the 1990s. Or maybe it would've been much worse. There's really no way to know.

 i think there is a way to know..... we know what happened with 'empire strikes back',

and with 'return of the jedi'....  even though Lucas was still intrinsically involved, neither

matched up with original greatness of 'Star Wars'.... both were a decline in quality, and

care in making them.. they never reached the greatness that the first had..(to me of course)..

no one ever says 'empire' or 'return of the jedi' are groundbreaking, because they arent'..

the precedent was already set..

so regardless of who did what, we can think it would have gotten worse, because we

have examples that show it......

to me the SE, and the Prequels are in a completely different league than the originals,

and while still enjoyable to me, the only movie that i really enjoyed was the third (ROTS)..

however, i'm not going to constantly try to compare them, or wish they had turned

out differently, because i like to live in the present, and  not constantly try to

retroactively change the past..

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Vaderisnothayden said

 

Firstly, Lucas is not the only person responsible for Star Wars. It's not like a novel writer who writes a book all by themselves. Actors, directors, writers and all manner of crew and other people contributed significantly to Star Wars. Without them it would not have been the Star Wars we love. Lucas did not create Star Wars by himself. It's not just his creation, it's other people's creation too.

so why don't other people get blamed for all the issues with Star Wars?????????????????????????????, he's not the only

person involved with the SE, but no seems to remember that, or believe it..   they only blame him.

Secondly, the Star Wars trilogy is not any old film, they're classics and as classics they are works of art that are collectively owned. Legally Lucas may own them, but morally we all do.

maybe to you they are classics, but not to everybody... i would hardly call 'the empire strikes back',

or 'return of the jedi' classics..... only the first one....

and no, i don't agree with the 'morally' part either, what does that mean?

And he mutilated this dear beloved thing that belongs to all of us. He had no right to destroy a classic. What he did was a crime.

no it does 'not belong to all of us', why do you think that?

and what crime exactly happened?

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i think he beat the system,

because he's able to do whatever he wants, and that's the point....

whether we like his post-star wars movies, is another issue..

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RRS-1980 said:

The movie clip above (I've just added the link - check it out) was made using the filter from negative1's post.

The photo I posted in my first post (noone noticed it?) was altered with some demo version of a Photoshop plugin.

The movie clip I made 6 (or so) years ago was made using some old filter for Adobe Premiere (quicktime something?, I can't remember now, and I seem to have lost the old files). It was posted here, but the posts from 2003 are gone.

nice job..

although there are too many vertical lines images going on, everything else is ok,

but that.. also if you added a distorted low resolution music to it, it would be neat..

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Oldschooljedi said:

I haven't tried the upscale-script yet. At the moment I'm encoding the GOUT with the g-force script.

The encoding of one movie takes several days, so the next few weeks I have no capacity for other encodings.

 i have a dual-core 1.8 Ghz pentium, and it takes about 1 day to encode 1 chapter ..

so about 1 week per movie for me also (7 chapters)... the upscaling script is much faster, and

you can test it on a small portion.. .i forgot how long it takes, but you can still run

both of them without impacting the encoding...

actually it depends on your computer.. i am probably going to get a quad-core soon,

because they are getting much cheaper now..

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Oldschooljedi said:

The whole original video looks a littlebit darker than the processed video,  The original "Vader-scene" looks darker too, I thought you meant that.

Sorry, my misunderstanding.

I just watched the "snowspeeder"-scene and I must say that I'm satisfied with the picture-quality.

 sure no problem.

by the way, have you tried the upscaling script yet?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Any-Suggestions-for-Better-Uprez-to-HD/post/334691/#post334691

i'm having some issues with deinterlacing artifacts in the uprez, and thought

you might have some ideas,...

i'm going to try some new filters to see if they help..

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solo21 , or oldschooljedi,

don't know if there any updates to this script..

(OSJ have you tried it yet?)..

anyways, i'm getting some interlacing effects when i use the

script, so i'll try adding some deinterlace filters..

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