negative1

Nanner Split said:

negative1 said:

Nanner Split said:

I've been using Vista since last summer. It still sucks.

 

so, go back to xp already, why did you even bother?

maybe your computer sucks?

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1) Maybe you're made of money, but I'm a poor college student. I don't have the cash to run down and pick me up a new copy of XP

used copies are pretty cheap, or if you had to , you could 'borrow' a copy from someone?

 

2)I didn't bother. I didn't have a say in the matter. I received this laptop as a gift from someone who knows *****-all about computers

 

ok, fine, then it should have worked on that hardware if its newer.

did you download the service pack? update all your drivers?

3) Yes, my computer does suck. But Vista isn't making it any better.

 

when you're not being specific, it's hard to tell where or what the problem is..

even the newest computers have issues.... but if you ask someone, or try

to figure out whats wrong, you can resolve the problems..

speed issues? -> turn off enhancements

disk issues? -> get the service pack

works slow? -> optimize your hard disk

i could go on and on.. but the point is...  if somethings not working right,

why live it? instead try to get help or figure out whats wrong, since you're

the one using it..

there's plenty of people willing to help you out if you ask, or look on google..

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TMBTM said:

http://rapidshare.com/files/160395755/ess_old_film_b.mpg.html

16 seconds clip (7500 ko) Viceroy/sidious/dialogue card.

 beautiful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looks very cool, and the other clip also,..

the effect is nearly perfect....great job!!!

do you want to make the sound a lower quality

to match the picture ?????? it's a little bit too clear..

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very cool!

i like the look and tint of the old time prequels..

keep it up... maybe a short sample video preview??? please???

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starwarsfan8376 said:

Octorox said:

hopefully when the final script rolls around someone will upload a DVD9 over the web. I REALLY am not encoding this again.

I'd be on board for that.  I don't know the first thing about any of these scripting things and have far too much on my plate right now to be bothered to learn.

 

i wish people would actually just try them out,

that way you could help out, make suggestions,

or just have fun with it,

and see how things work.. granted it's not the easiest

thing in the world..

but i knew very little about avisynth before i joined this board, and thanks to the

awesome help here, i am now getting a lot more comfortable after just a few months..

don't be scared, people WILL help you out, all you have to do is ask..

just asking for a finished product of someone elses hard work is not exactly

encouraging to the people working on it..

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TMBTM said:

My seed will be back in 3 hours...

And I'll definitely do an "old picture" version of this edit. I think I'll use a mix between 4 or 5 premiere pro filters and an alpha layer done with the old cinema filter for virtual dub (link given by negative 1 on this topic.). I will not use picture flickering and the filter will be apply on all frames, because the 1/2 frames thing is cool on a 30 seconds clip (it indeed gives an old feeling), but I think it would not works great on a 2 hours lenght (your thoughts about that?)

So, Ripplin, if you feel that some text faults still needs to be changed, you can send them to me. :)

that sounds really cool..

i agree, don't 'overdo' the old film effect.... even films in bad shape usually have some good parts,

without the flicker etc..... just use a consistent look for the whole film, and it should turn out great..

sounds exciting..

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C3PX said:

 but I thought ME was great,

you've just lost any technical credibilty you might have had

with this one statement, i find it hard to believe you can

type that with a straight face...

Vista, even with all the bells and whistles turned off, is a slow piece of crap and a resource hog. Its "security features" (though they can be turned off, most people don't know how) are incredible annoying.

 there's a program called tweakUAC, get it, i had it from the beginning and never had any

issues like you talked about..

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Nanner Split said:

I've been using Vista since last summer. It still sucks.

 so, go back to xp already, why did you even bother?

maybe your computer sucks?

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HotRod said:

This place is really started to drain me.....95% of the new threads are all so bloody negative.

 

 by the way, i've started a original trilogy restoration board, where there is no bashing,

cursing, etc........ just discussion only, it's just starting, but it's got a different vibe going on..

not to say there won't be disagreements/discussions etc, but its a lot more civil..

pm me sometime if you're interested..

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HotRod said:

This place is really started to drain me.....95% of the new threads are all so bloody negative.

 

it's called the ignore filter...

that makes it a lot easier,

since it's pretty much the same people with the same issues

over and over..

personally, i find it kind of funny though.. so i never ignore anyone,

even skyjedi....ha ha..

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you know, hunter 6, cpx, skyjedi and the rest of you..

how does suing George Lucas affect Star Trek?

is there a reason you guys can't post this in the right topic?

especially you skyjedi.... you are having serious problems,

you post in the right thread:

=============================================

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Will-the-The-New-J-J-Abrams-Star-Trek-destroy-the-Legacy-of-the-original-1960s-series-Discussion/topic/9670/

and then you can't seem to keep it there?

do you want me to copy your posts over there for you?

is that so hard?

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Oldschooljedi said:

I'm not sure, but as I can remember someone here had ffdshow installed and the same problem. Do you have installed this on your pc?

 yeah, i'm having the same issues also....

and yes, i have ffdshow installed..

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solo21 said:

I've not touched this in a while, but I'll dig up some results for you all.

I was using this script for a prequel trilogy edit, so my original source was the PAL DVD (deleted scenes), upscaling to match the WookieeGroomer 1080p rips.  It's working well for me, but obviously the original source has a lot less grain etc than any OT footage.

 

awesome,

thanks for checking back, i've been having a lot of fun with your script..

yes, i've done some 1080p rescaling, but it takes a lot longer, and its

hard to show here......

if you have any other ideas (about interlace artifacts, improvements), please

let us know..

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Chewy72 said:

 

Dude, you seriously need to go back in time and understand what happened during the days of The Original Trilogy.  First of all it wasn't a fad, they were pop culture, and remembered years later.  I don't know if you are American or not, but our President, Ronald Reagan, called our defense system to block Nuclear Weapons, "Star Wars" and he would say in many speeches during his presidency about the Russians, "They are the Evil Empire, and the force is on our side." 

Now why would he do that?  Because EVERYONE knew what those words meant, because EVERYONE loved Star Wars, as that is why it was the highest grossing movie of all time until ET broke that record in 1982, and still remains the top 5 even today.

i'm canadian/american [was in canada during 77, and in america during 80->present]

yes, 'star wars' the movie was a 'fad'.....

'star wars' pop culture wise only manifested itself much later, it's hard to see it's presence

until 'return of the jedi' and much much later than that..

i don't consider a few references here and there to be indicative of a larger sign of significance,

other figures such as 'the terminator', 'rambo' etc, are also just as popular in speech.....

just because a movie makes a lot of money doesnt' signify much : see 'titantic', 'dark knight' etc..

it's actually the merchandising which remains much more significant... i think i mentioned

that the series has generated some US$20 billion in revenue, which is something the

movies will never be able to generate...

As for after Jedi, sure it wasn't on everyones mind everyday, but there were no more movies, why should it?   But in 1987, a movie called Spaceballs did a spoof of Star Wars and was a hit with characters like Lord Helmet and Princess Vespa.

Sure the SE & PT brought back SW in a mainstream way, but that happens when any sequel comes out years later.   I bet when The Hobbit comes out in 2 years, Lord of the Rings mania will be in full force again, but as I said, that is just the way it is with movie series.

But Star Wars was never a fad, cause a fad goes away, and doesn't have continuous VHS releases in the late 80's and early 90's of The Original Trilogy that is in the top 5 sales every year on VHS, a fad is Bell-Bottoms, something that is popular that is gone within a year and never sees the light again.

 

i think you're agreeing with some of what i was saying..

but i stand by my original assertion that the popularity of the 'star wars' FILMS WAS A FAD,

because by it's very nature, they only came out for awhile, were only popular for a short time,

and were promptly forgotten until their rereleases (SE), and releases on other media..

maybe we're just debating about semantics now..but that was not my original intent.

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C3PX said:

 

Boy did you ever COMPLETELY miss the point of what I was saying. And I know very well the history of SW through the eighties and ninties. Star Wars may have been a fad for a lot of people, but my point is it DID HAVE true fans, witnessed by the fact that I and many others, including a lot of members here never forgot about it during that time, hence, true fans. You may have forgotten about it during that time, but a lot of people didn't. That is why Star Wars merchandise continued to be sold all through the early to mid ninties, BEFORE the SE was released. That my friend, is not the definition of a fad.

 ok, lets step back a little here..

i'll admit i forgot about it until the SE versions came out, but i did read a few of the books,

and play a few computer games from 1983-1997.. but that was pretty much it......

by 'fad', i meant referring to the popularity of the films (yes, i know there were limited

re-releases from time to time).... but to the majority of the populace, thats what was important.

merchandise wise, i still think there was a huge drought, because other than action figures,

cards, and books, they were pretty scarce until the EU stuff came out.... i only had the

han solo trilogy, splinter of a minds eyes, and the lando books, and that didnt' last long.

sure there were comic books, and newspaper comics too.. but still that didn't last that long

either.. maybe they did sell, but surely not as much UNTIL AFTER THE SE versions were

released..

i question whether 'a lot of fans' did remember, because

there would have been more support or more releases

in the 14 years after 'return of the jedi' came out, and

there weren't....

that was my point..

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ChainsawAsh said:

The problems skyjedi speaks of are present on the laserdisc masters, and the laserdiscs themselves.

 ok, sorry,

let me be more specific then..

which laserdisc specifically?

i have:

-----------------

definitive boxset

japanese boxset

thx (faces) versions

all the original version widescreen/fullscreen

which one is the best then?

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skyjedi2005 said:

The thing is the Gout is already altered.  Grain removed by process of dvnr.  Letterbox 4:3 instead of Anamorphic, not the original techniclor, colors are faded.  Not the theatrical sound mixes.

 are you saying it was different from the laserdisc masters?

because that's where i thought it came from..

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Fang Zei said:

Adywan,

How did you get it to go 24.000p? Was the broadcast you used already like that or did you speed it up from 23.976?

 

 just to answer for adywan, if you read the very first post:

"As you can see they are all 24fps and not 23.976. Most new TV's are 24fps bluray compatible and as most blu-ray discs use the correct 24fps encoding i decided to use that so you get the movie as it was in the cinemas."

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C3PX said:

negative1 said:

if people really cared about artistic integrity and value, they should have all been flops,

every movie should have failed miserably, and all the interest in Star Wars should have died off, instead the exact opposite happened....

 

Exactly. Because people don't care, fans do care though. People will suck up and buy anything, look at all the garbage that gets thrown around shamelessly on TV that people soak up and love.  Why do people suck up all these fads and love them to death for a year or two, then forget about them and loose interest in them entirely?

when star wars came out it was a fad, and so were the two sequels,

people forget about  them in the mid 80's after 'return of the jedi',

and continued to forget about them until the late 90's when the SE

versions came out... then they came back, and now are stronger than ever..

so , by your criteria, there really were'nt any fans back then either, only now?

A film maker, a writer, a director, anybody with fans has to make a choice: Remain loyal to your fan base, or make something that will be hyped up for a few months or maybe even years before being dropped forever? There are still artists with integrity out there who want to show what they can do and really build something to last, something that the fans can hold on to and be proud of. This does NOT describe the PT by any means. But fans have been holding onto the OT for pushing thirty years now, I have no doubt they will hang onto it for another thirty.

honestly, i can't really think of any great movies i've seen in the last 20 years (or longer) that made

we want to be a fan of the series/or think its a classic, the majority of my favorites are from the 70's,

and 80's... its' all mostly rehashes, and reworks or earlier material,

or subpar populist stuff now... yeah, i watch a lot of independant and foreign films too, but none

of them really stands out to me..

i agree, we'll never know if the movies that come out now will be remembered down the line..

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C3PX said:

negative1 said:

 since the final product wasn't said to be in HD,

it wouldn't really matter what the quality/resolution started off as (DVD),

since you wouldn't be able to tell..

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Who wouldn't be able to tell? Even on my small standard def. TV, the GOUT looks like crap compared to Adywan's nice and crisp Revisited discs. It doesn't have to be in HD to be better quality than the GOUT, the GOUT is absolute garbage. On my friends big widescreen TV, the GOUT is unwatchable, it feel like watching SW on youtube. However, the 04 discs look great on it (color issues aside). I think it is obvious you have never looked at the GOUT much, if you assume nobody would be able to tell the difference between it and a version restored from Ady's color corrected versions.

My biggest fear about this project, beside being a lot of work, would be it ending up looking like OCP's Classic Editions, which had the DVDs, with laserdisc bits taken to cover up the CG, which depending on the brightness of your TV, could look pretty unsightly and glaring.

ok,

i should have been clearer... you start out with GOUT, and then as stated above:

'The GOUT- cleaned up using G-Force's GOUT Stabilization script' -> so it's an altered

version, and then you go from there...

but yeah, using different sources would be a pain..

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g-force said:

Oldschooljedi said:

Here is another artifact, maybe g-force could help:

 

Here is the short (avi) sampleclip.

G-force, would it be reasonable, to change the script for every artifact, I mean when the script is changed for this scene, wouldn't we get some artifacts at other scenes???

 

OSJ, So far, I have been very careful to make sure that no new artifacts are introduced when I fix one. This particular shot looks very difficult, due to lack of information for the motion compensation to lock on to. If you post the original, I'll take a look at it.

-G

 

 is this actually worth fixing?

its basically 4 frames that occur from : 4min:28sec - 4min:29sec (around the 6400 frame mark)

when someone walks past han..

it basically takes less than 1 sec to watch, and is hardly noticeable unless

you are frame stepping through it...

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C3PX said:

You can't start with an unaltered GOUT, because the GOUT is too low in quality. The 04 SE is excellent quality, but have added CG, and screwed up colors. Adywan's SW Revisited fixed the color problems, so it would make sense to use it, since a lot of work has already been done.

 since the final product wasn't said to be in HD,

it wouldn't really matter what the quality/resolution started off as (DVD),

since you wouldn't be able to tell..

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vbangle said:

Oh, I think he does get it....oh yeah, he gets it alright.

 well, if you're so smart..

explain it easy to understand words that people can comprehend,

instead of being so cryptic..

is it a joke?

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wouldn't it be a lot easier to just start from the unaltered GOUT

version and go from there?

its way to much of hassle to take several sources and combine

them if you want them to look the same.... any ideas on how you want

to do that?

unless its done well, it will be pretty obvious when there are scene changes,

etc..

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C3PX said:

And as for you saying, "thats how i would feel too, and so would most people....(otherwise, they'd just be

lying about it).."

Sorry to see you have such a shallow and pessemistic view on creativity. It doesn't matter how much money you have, why should that make your standards drop? If you have something you want to make, do it right. You have no excuse not to, especially if you are literally drowning in money fans of that series have given to you already. When you have such a loyal fanbase, you should care what they think, after all, if it were not for them you never would have made it that far.

 i would agree with you up until a certain point..

why have the prequels, and everything after them generated more revenue and

income for the Star Wars franchise, greater than anything the original trilogy ever did?

(even with inflation) ???????????

if people really cared about artistic integrity and value, they should have all been flops,

every movie should have failed miserably, and all the interest in Star Wars should have

died off, instead the exact opposite happened....

what kind of message does that send to Lucas?

even if he actually cared about how well the movies did (obviously he doesn't, look

at the lower results for the 'clone war' movie)...................... why should he bother stopping,

when people continue to validate his efforts regardless of how well they are critically

received or not..

and my pessism is based on human nature, and experience, and not on some

altruistic, or superficial view that people remain true to their nature of always

seeking good, or doing whats best for others, as opposed for their own interests...

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C3PX said:

negative1 said: It is easier my friend, because rather than struggling and resisting, you simply bend over, relax, and wait for them to insert their ****** into your &&&& cavity. When you stuggle and resist, and tighten up your muscles, it hurts a lot more.

 ???????????????????????????????????????????

what does this have to do with windows 7?

i don't get it????

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