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#566772
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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TServo2049 said:

 

Just found this one from Empire. Looks pretty blue (ignore the reflections):

here's the picture, yours looks reflected, these are from the print

touched up:

 

 

Also missed this very good pic of an Empire cell - Lando invites our heroes for a little refreshment:

OK, that's about all the legible film cell images I've been able to find. Sorry, no Jedi, every single cell is faded.

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#566769
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Info: Online 8mm Preservations
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lpd said:

Hey Neg. Nice post.

Anyone interested in this on Ebay UK.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAR-WARS-SUPER-8MM-SOUND-SUPER-8-FULL-FILM-VGC-/400278540685?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_OtherFormats_GL&hash=item5d3275d18d

already discussed here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Puggo-Edition-webpage-and-screenshots/topic/6830/page/8/

 

pictures moved to here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/566665/#TopicPost566665

 

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#566719
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Info: Online 8mm Preservations
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SW Super 8 Film--Color, Silent

Star Wars Super 8 with Rare Alternate Soundtrack
Uploaded by jskujins2 on Sep 18, 2011
This is the Ken Films 200 ft color silent edition of Star Wars. This particular print was printed on sound film with a blank soundstripe. In 1983 an original alternate soundtrack was recorded on this film. The film itself has faded to red.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbe-RsOHwsE

this is a joke one for the soundtrack, the video is ok..

 

also, i put up a preview of puggo's version here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqZfQvG1COM

it's a little over a minute..

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#566709
Topic
Rapidshare closed to free users?
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no, its just temporary.

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TorrentFreak contacted RapidShare and we will update this post when a response comes in.

Update: Rapidshare explains that the 404s were not intentional. “This error is due to a website update and therefore not intentional. RapidShare is working on a solution so that these “false” links should work again soon,” a spokesperson said.

 

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#566697
Topic
OBITUARY - Star Wars Fullscreen/Pan and Scan versions. R.I.P.
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retartedted said:

 

I have some decent SVHS decks and a capture card to do raw AVI captures.  

Here is a sample I just made of the 1982 Rental tape on my JVC SVHS deck. http://www.sendspace.com/file/1iz9lk

And here is a sample of the intro to Episode IV on the Faces set http://www.sendspace.com/file/4s9ewr

If anybody wants me to capture any of these let me know.  Although I must say my current Droids project already has me pulling my hair out :P

very cool. thanks for the samples.

yes, if you can capture them. please do.

my parents didn't own a vhs, and i never did either (until

a few years ago).. i started off with laserdiscs..

 

anyways, take your time, there's no rush.

they're not going anywhere. hopefully it will be

easier to do just a straight transfer of the video.

 

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#566660
Topic
The Puggo Edition - webpage and screenshots (Super 8 transfers - Released)
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SilverWook said:

Tempted, but the auction won't even show up on the U.S. site for me.

you don't need too, as long as you log into

the uk site, it works.

 

also, item search works:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400278540685&_rdc=1#ht_12371wt_1084

 

go for it!

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#566585
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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TServo2049 said:

 

 

 

reel 3:

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Unfortunately, some cells are definitely faded. All of the Yoda/Dagobah-related frames I've seen have apparently faded to reddish-brown (possibly sourced from Kodak SP?):

 

The Falcon inside the "cave". The purplish cast suggests that this frame might have some fading (or it could be how it was illuminated, look at the blowout around the sprocket holes):

Another image from the same scene - yes, it's dark and blurry, but it doesn't look as purple, so the visible colors may be more accurate to what's actually on the film:

 

 

 

 

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#566584
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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TServo2049 said:

 

another reel 1 shot:

and now onto reel 2:

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Han and the Falcon - again, a bit of a blue tinge evident, but not overpowering:

 

 

Another small, but surprisingly clear, image, this time of Vader and Captain Piett:

 

 


 

This other seller has more photos of other cells, but they're fuzzier and I'm not as sure about the color accuracy. Here they are anyway:

 

 

 

 

 


Here's a rather muted and white-looking Hoth:

 

 

 

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#566575
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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TServo2049 said:

In the thread for DJ's project, I went into an aside about the 70mm film cell scans on Jedi1.net (specifically the ones from Empire), and how they probably don't reflect the actual color timing of the films. I surmise that they may have been auto-corrected or otherwise post-processed after scanning. However, I found some interesting photos of other 70mm cells someone was selling on eBay, which are the best-illuminated digital camera snapshots I've ever seen of these. However they were lit for the photos, the clear areas look neutral white, and so the colors seen in these pictures *may* more closely reflect the colors on the actual film frame

about the color accuracy, here they are anyway:

just to make things easier,

i put them in chronological order by reel, from the print

(note, not the exact frame, or final colors):

These are from reel 1:

 

 


Echo Base interior, slightly bluish but also fairly muted:

 

 

 


Luke in the Wampa's cave - notice that it's not as blue as in the bootleg telecine or the Puggo Strikes Back early preview, and that Luke's face isn't frostbite purple. Actually, it kind of reminds me of -1's color-corrected version, except with a little more blue than he was able to recover:

 

 

 

 

The bacta tank wide shot (notice the Eastman stamp on the left - could this be LPP?):

 

 

 

For comparison, here's the Jedi1.net scan of the same scene:

Notice how in the top image, the ceiling isn't as green. To me, the top looks more balanced than the bottom.

 

 

 

 

 

Notice that once again, it isn't as yellow-green-y as the Jedi1.net image:

 

 

 


From another seller, Han and Chewie visit Luke in the recovery room. This pic is smaller and fuzzier than the ones above, but the illumination still looks pretty good:

 

 


Leia in Luke's recovery room:

Notice how it's not as yellow-greenish as the Jedi1.net image:

 

 

 

 

More pink and less green than the Jedi1.net image (in fact, the pinkish highlights in the top picture kind of remind me of the theatrical bootleg telecine):

 

 

 

Luke after the infamous kiss:

 

 

A good-looking cell of Vader - look at how those red lights pop:

 

And from the first film, here's R2 and 3PO when Luke discovers Leia's message. This seems to have the most intact color of any 70mm cell of the first film I've seen so far. The warm golden cast reminds me of Mike Verta's snapshots from that IB print screening. (Hey Harmy, how does this pic compare to your IB scans?)

 

I'm really not sure how accurate the colors are in any of these pics; some of them don't seem to have any visible fading, while others do. I'm just putting them here because I don't often see images of the 70mm cells that look this good.

wow, that does look great..

very nice.

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#566569
Topic
OBITUARY - Star Wars Fullscreen/Pan and Scan versions. R.I.P.
Time

red5-626 said:

 STAR WARS 
FULL SCREEN LASER DISC "NEVER BEEN OPENED" STILL IN ORIGINAL SEAL

the pan and scan full screen versions have been captured,

and posted on alt.binaries.starwars, the discussion is here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Pan-amp-Scan-O-OT-Project/topic/2625/page/4/

 

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#566509
Topic
Cropping the Original Trilogy : 35mm vs dvd (gout)
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CatBus said:

To be fair, I think the amount that was cropped off the edges by projection was variable based on lots of factors, but nevertheless the amount that was cropped off in a theatre in 1977 is surprisingly large, and all filmmakers knew that it would be when they made their film.  This raises some questions about whether the outer edge has the same historical value if nobody ever saw it until it was on home video.  Nevertheless this same question hangs around all movies from that period, and the answer that seems to be satisfactory to most people for other films is to show as much of the frame as possible and just forget about the cropping from projection.

Looking forward to the framed images.  I was frankly shocked when I saw how much of Star Wars was never seen in the theatre to begin with!

you've seen most of the ones i'll be putting up already.

 

although now that we have a new batch

of shots now. i'll have to get around to comparing

those..

 

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#566508
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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Harmy said:

bkev said:

That looks stunning.

OK, I wasn't gonna say anything, so that it doesn't look like I'm trying to promote my own project over n1's, which I'm not, I'm actually really looking forward to it and I'm sure that the final product will look great, but I just don't understand what is so stunning about those pictures? They look like bad photos of a screen, very soft, with very little detail, even for the resolution they're in. Here's a bit from the first picture compared with raw GOUT (left):

Again, I'm not saying that this is what the final product will look like, just saying that there's nothing amazing about these particular pictures.

no worries..

i'm just posting samples that are representative about the

colors and look. not about clarity or detail. we'll keep that

on other places..

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#566492
Topic
Cropping the Original Trilogy : 35mm vs dvd (gout)
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i guess this would apply to the SE versions too,

i haven't checked those yet.. but harmy, and catbus

have pointed out a lot of good thoughts about the

croppings in the movie..

 

it turns out, they are probably cropped even

more in the theaters!

 

if you've seen some of the recent sample frames,

you'll notice there is more information in the frame.

that was not supposed to be seen by the audience

when projected.

 

the top pictures are slightly corrected from an entirely

red reel, so they are still muted, and not accurate to

the true colors, the bottom image is the GOUT.

 

the thing that stands out is how much is cropped.

also, notice that smoke and effects look very different.

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i'll post some stats and framed images next.

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