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#270819
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
That's quite a list, CC

The thing is, once I finish my preferred cut of SOTDS, all of the other cuts you've listed would be pretty easy to do. The question is whether I want all of these alternate versions out there, which (in my opinion), would be quite inferior to the real thing. 3 out of those 4 versions are movies that go against my (and Mark Haslett's) idea of the Anakin character. This is kind of out there, but what if somehow McCallum, Lucas, or any number of other people were to sit down to watch this thing? I wouldn't want them watching the "Lucasfilm experience", or the "MagnoliaFan experience". I would want them watching the version I set out to create. This is kind of an extreme example, but I guess the point is that this has the potential to wind up a lot of different places, and I want to have the satisfaction of knowing that people are watching "my" version, so to speak- the version I put the time into and the version that I am happy with.

Also, I don't want to steal MagnoliaFan's thunder, as he will be releasing his official Ep. II in the near future; I know I brough it up, but on second though it probably wouldn't be the best plan. We have different editing styles anyway...

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Here's what I think is the best plan: I will release my cut of SOTDS in the next couple months. I MAY include an alternate Hayden track as a surprise, but that's not clear yet.

Then, I will release a dual-layer version with PCM stereo on my version and Dolby Digital commentary.

Then, after a while, I'll see if there's even a demand for anything else. If there is an overpowering cry for a MagnoliaFan compatible version, for example. But what would seem to me to be a better effort would be to work on finishing this trilogy instead of trying to make SOTDS conform to other series. LTH has already offered to do Episode I, but he's going to need some help. At bare minimum, he'll need new Nemodian recordings from Sluggo and Co. and the main title theme from me.

To do Episode III, I will need to do ADR, and we'll also need Nemoidians and stormtrooper actors from SOTDS. Hopefully, another editor will come forward to do this, as I will probably not be able to do another movie on this level. I'll explain more about myself personally after I release SOTDS.

We also need to have a major discussion at some point after the release of SOTDS, about where to go from here, editor-wise and storywise (does Maul=Grievous? Should Sidious be removed from Ep. I? etc.)

After all ANH used the same voice actor for 3 characters (commander on Tantive 4, barkeep & Dodonna) and is glaringy a dubbed voice but i haven't seen many ( if a any) people complain about that.

Wow! Didn't know that. I knew the commander and the bartender were dubbed, but I had no idea that all three were done by the same actor...

But seriously, thanks again to all of you for your comments, ideas, and encouragement. As I continue to encode the video (which I will complete before going through the audio with a fine-toothed comb), it is so exciting for me to watch- even without the audio.

I can't wait for you guys to see this movie.


I definitely agree that your only focus at the moment should be your version. The biggest thing I could see is reinstating the original Star Wars theme. And that just made me think of something: what is happening for the opening of the end credits? Are you just using the original end credits opening, or are you adapting the Korngold theme for that (perhaps adjusting the pitch...?)

As far as your voice is concerned, that take 2 of the nightclub scene alleviated all concerns for me. The only issues remaining after seeing that are purely technical: syncing it up properly, mixing, that sort of thing. But after hearing that, I think your vocal quality and acting will be just fine--maybe more than fine! I wouldn't worry too much about that, at least IMO.

As far as Episode I goes, I think we need CC's take on this. I'm hesitant to speak too much as I'm not in charge.

Disclaimer: All comments pertaining to Episode I and other Starkiller projects contained in this post are NOT necessarily those of the Starkiller management. There we go. Just, take this as me thinking out loud. I'm not saying anything about the situation, this is just throwing out ideas upon what I'm seeing in this post.

I just bumped up the Starkiller thread so that if we need to take any overflow of this discussion over there, we can. As far as I am concerned, I'm still up for music editing, and I'd love to continue the project. Now, if LTH is wanting to do this, then we have two major options that I can see: a) the Starkiller Ranch project as originally planned, with or without LTH; b) an "executive producer: Trooperman" edition of the other episodes, with LTH in charge and whoever is going to help, doing so with as much guidance as you want to allow to make it as close as possible to what you would've done. From there you can do combinations of these approaches, but those are the two main things I can see. It's up to CC. I would like to see the "Trooperman produced" versions, as you have a very certain unique style and approach that is all its own, whereas Starkiller Ranch is largely a more collaborative thing. So you could end up having two very unique branches of editing that still all correspond back to SOTDS, the foundation of all of this. At least, that's how I'm seeing it. You can correct me if I'm wrong. But that's why I think it would be a good idea, if possible, to go both ways.

If we wanted to, both camps (the straight-up Starkiller Ranch and the LTH-headed Trooperman edition) could correspond, particularly on effects and stuff, and that way if there is something that is definitely something that would be done in both versions, then both camps can share certain shots, etc. For instance: if the projects branched, and both wanted Maul to be Grievous, then potentially they could share whatever shots etc. are being used to make that happen, if that makes any sense.

I don't know who else is still up to doing Starkiller Ranch. For a while I had heard that we were simply waiting on SOTDS so we have a more firm idea of where we're taking this. I know that you had hoped that maybe adywan could help us with SFX on the Starkiller Ranch saga. I think all of the dubbing is a good idea that could carry over to Starkiller if we wanted it to--again, it's up to CC. That's really the bottom line: CC is in charge of Starkiller Ranch, and we need to know where he stands on this. These are, however my two cents, and food for thought.

I am definitely excited to see SOTDS!








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#270810
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270810/action/topic#270810
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Just thought I'd bump this up as Trooperman gets closer and closer to finishing SOTDS. There's been some mention of Episode I elements in that thread, and if anyone has any ideas for Episode I, this is the place.

I'm still ready on the music editing end--if anyone has experience with overall sound editing/mixing, I could really use your help. Music editing is my real forte.
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#270804
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Idea: a Jurassic Park Trilogy fan edit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270804/action/topic#270804
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Something to consider if you want to make things a bit more frightening and less "cheesy": there was quite a bit of music that got cut from the final film. There was original music written and recorded for the scene where they are taking the tour and there is no T-rex; the full sequence from the point where Ellie and Muldoon go to the power shed all the way up until the end of the "Clever girl" scene was originally scored with tense music; and the raptor/kitchen hiding scene was originally scored starting when they see the raptor shadow. Additionally, the T-rex's entrance was originally scored with more action-oriented music. I believe there is even more than that. You can actually see the clips with their intended music at YouTube. The user's name is BrachioInGen, I believe. I don't recall what the titles of the videos are, but if you search "Star Wars Symphonic Forces," there are several clips under that. That's the guy. Just go to his user page and all of his videos are there. There was also unused music for The Lost World and JPIII, but I haven't seen those so I wasn't sure what they contribute. However, the kitchen scene is definitely more intense with the intended music. It's worth checking out if that's the direction you want to take.

Good luck!
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#270803
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Batman Series Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270803/action/topic#270803
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This is a cool idea. Have you gotten a hold of the B89 score album, yet? If not, I can help you out.

There's one thing that I've really though would help BF, but it would probably very tedious and is definitely SFX-heavy. Take out all the neon stuff. The lights waving around everywhere at the end are annoying, but even before that, there's a ton of stuff. I haven't seen the movie in a while, but there's some stuff (like the...neon spray paint on the walls of Gotham' slummy areas) that sticks out really badly. I realize that it would probably be too extensive, but it's surely a thought--and maybe someone out there reading who has a lot of experience in that kind of digital effects work and a load of freetime could give it a shot?

But again, no matter what, kudos on the cool idea, man!
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#263797
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263797/action/topic#263797
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Wow. I too am shocked at how much I like that there. Honestly, when I saw the announcement that you were trying this, I instantly set up a wall. "No way, he's gotta be kidding. Impossible. Sacrilege! All that ADR work has finally fried his brain!" But it actually works very nicely. The only problem is that now, it would be preferable to integrate that theme into the underscore. The title theme wasn't used only for the titles, but throughout the trilogy in the score. If you want to leave it as just the title theme, it still is lovely, but in Star Wars, it would be great to have worked in, perhaps as a Republic theme (there was the Republic fanfare in ROTS, but it wasn't in the previous two films).

As far as the rest of the trilogy, don't forget about the Starkiller Ranch. True, it would be lacking Trooperman's personal creativity and skills, but last time I checked, we are still planning to have it line up with SOTDS (that's why there hasn't been much work on it in a while). I'm hesitant to really say more since Commander Courage is in charge, but don't forget about it. It won't be Trooperman exactly (which I am finding more and more unfortunate as we go along ), but it'll be along the same lines.

Great work so far Trooperman! And don't worry about the March thing. That could actually work out nicely for me--my birthday's in April. Don't sweat it. Do what you can, and nothing more. You've already put in plenty of time and work on this. Whenever it comes out, it'll be worth the time it's taken, I'm sure of it.
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#257146
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257146/action/topic#257146
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Wow. Obi-Wan enforced the "no-marriage" rule? Wow. That's reason enough to be mad right there. Dang.

I think the S-bar is fine. It looks much better than it did before. Again, I like the ESB tilted version, but I'm probably in the minority. They all look great. Excellent work, man!

And the rough posters are looking really sweet, MTH! Awesome!!
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#256196
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256196/action/topic#256196
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Oh, I was just agreeing that to the casual observer, it would look pretty geeky. But I personally appreciate that there is this much attention going just into the cover art logo! It's bringing out some great work, and you're doing a great job, klokwerk! The new logos look really nice. Personally, I favor 9a, 9c, and 10c. Something about the slant of the B versions looks strikes me as a little modern looking. But that's just me. They all look great!
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#255983
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255983/action/topic#255983
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Yeah, LOL!

Good to hear that there'll be some Struzan action! I'd say my favorites right now are probably 4, 5, and 8. I really like no. 4. I guess it's a little more traditional looking to me, and I like that. Numbers 5 and 8 are pretty much tied for me. And I agree that the words should definitely fill the box. I would definitely like to see the box slanted, at least just to see what it looks like. But yeah, my vote goes to number 4, although you've done a great job on all of them. This is going to be real class, I can tell!
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#254594
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Hope Wanted: for Music for the Vader VS. Obi-Wan Rematch...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254594/action/topic#254594
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Wow...man, this is a tricky one. I think he's talking about the segment from 0:34 to about 2:14 on Anakin's Dark Deeds, and my guess is it would begin with the first saber clash. It would take some edits, but I can see it. There's definitely potential there, although, yes, it is one of the popular highlights of the ROTS score, and it may be a bit too big and action-y. I want to say there's something from ROTJ, but I'm at a loss for what it would be, and it would probably be too well-known, whatever it is. I'm not sure what you could use from the JW repertoire at this point. I'll try to look into some classical music, too.