I was also thinking about the video, then you would be able to check the timing and placement for me as well, but the sub file alone would be ok though.
S_Matt said:
Mono would be a silly waste of valuable disc real estate that could be better employed for the video. You want Star Wars in mono, get a copy on VHS.
Are you fucking serious!? :)
S_Matt said:
However I'm not opposed to some minor cosmetic improvements either. I quite think filmmakers have better things to do than worry if every matte line is the correct thickness.
It seems you are very worried about it. It is people like you that are very hard to please. Not we who just want three old films restored.
Sorry guys for the long silence, have been on vacation for a few weeks.
MeBeJedi: Any succesful attempts with the LD-footage?
Rogue-theX: Nice cover, your tagline is like Silver said, Perfect! :)
SilverWook: Would you please be willing to check the subs for the Italian THX before it's uploaded for real? it would be great if you could do that as you know the film and all its differences, and most importantly, you now the English language better than erri_wan and me. Just check grammar, typos etc.
I forgot to tell you Harmy, if you need the original theatrical sub-timings, I have the GOUT-frame counts listed clearly on every sub-picture in SW in my sub thread on page 1, from there it shouldn't be impossible for you to figure out the exact timing in your video, if you want to use them.
The timings for the SW-subs were all provided by Moth3r and is correctly synced against the widescreen bootleg and double checked against Puggo Grande.
Rob said:
As for you Ms. Y Camore, I'm sooo close to going all diva on you.
Please, don't do that. Take a look at this... http://www.out.com/slideshows/?slideshow_title=The-Gayest-Robots&theID=12#Top
...it will sheer you up!
Edit: it's not that off topic, another Lucas robot made that list. ;)
Rob said:
msycamore said:
Ok, I thought that would be the case. You're right of course, you tend to be overly critical when you know what flaws to look for, as a complete film experience these versions you make will certainly be fantastic for most viewers, don't let my comments dampen your spirit, I'm just a stubborn purist. What you're able to achieve here is quite awesome.I've watched Harmy's ESB close to 20 times in the last couple of weeks, and if you're not satisfied with that masterpiece, you're not going to be satisfied with anything short of perfection (which we'll never see). We've all waited nearly forever for the Original Trilogy, and now thanks to Harmy, we'll have it. Harmy's cuts are so damn good, I think they're the first versions that are above nitpicking. They're so beautiful I'm not going to waste my time searching for flaws.
I can admit that I came off like a dick in my earlier statement in this thread (but you like di*** Rob, don't you ;) when I read it again and it was unnecessary and stupid of me and for that I'm sorry Harmy. But the post I made that you quote here, I don't see any problem with, I thought the test-clips he uploaded here was meant to be scrutinized and to give him some feedback on how to maybe improve upon them (it can be argued however if my feedback on the mos eisley clip was constructive or not).
I'm working on the subs at the moment and I changed this line of SEN trying to convince THX to not continue with their escape plan from the prison:
521:
LUH has been destroyed so we can even go back now.
to a more natural:
LUH has been destroyed so we might as well go back now.
If you guys don't have any objection of course.
This dialogue by SEN talking to THX starting from line 413 I pointed out to you erri_wan, still sounds strange to me, can you doublecheck it for me please.
Your translation:
Listen. Let's get something straight right from the start.
It will help to understand my overall plan...
and will help you to stay out of things you don't understand, right?
I don't know, maybe it's another case of a too literal translation? Even if you make it read more smoothly...
Listen. Let's get something straight right from the start.
It will make it easier for you to see my overall plan...
and to stay out of things you don't understand, right?
...something is lost in the translation if you compare it with the original english dialogue of this scene:
Listen. Now, let's get something straight right from the start.
It's gonna take you some time to see my overall plan.
So until then, stay out of things you don't understand, right?
I did take a look again and I can see this weird shaking going on throughout the film, but it's most noticable in the scenes where the camera is entirely static, never seen anything like it before, it's a really weird effect, it's there right from the start of the film, just take a look at the animated clouds on the opening Fox logo and you'll see what I mean, or the wall behind Greedo for another example.
I don't wan't to be a killjoy, I like the idea but keep in mind that the broadcasts of ANH are quite significantly cropped on all four sides compared to other transfers, and as already mentioned, the DVNR - smear is even worse than on the GOUT, color and contrast issues and dark_jedi's versions all seem to have some weird motion jerkiness to them were the whole picture shake constantly, something that's not present on the sources he used, which is unfortunate as he did a hell of a nice job with the audio syncing on these discs. No idea what could've caused it.
Sorry for not mentioning this earlier d_j, but I wanted to make a more complete viewing of these before leaving any comments on it, and have since forgotten all about this. I think I just found it hard to get motivated watching those versions properly... SW-overload, I guess.
Harmy said:
@msycamore: I tried, but unfortunately the graininess of the V8 made the transition look even worse. And also it's one thing looking at it as separate clips and then watching it as a movie, that way these things don't seem to stand out far as much as when you're specifically looking for them. And in most shots, the GForced GOUT that I'm getting from DJ is the closest to HD I'm gonna get.
Ok, I thought that would be the case. You're right of course, you tend to be overly critical when you know what flaws to look for, as a complete film experience these versions you make will certainly be fantastic for most viewers, don't let my comments dampen your spirit, I'm just a stubborn purist. What you're able to achieve here is quite awesome.
Nevermind, the clip I planned to upload for you was from the '82 pan & scan LD but it had to many compression artifacts to be of any good use, maybe if someone could upload a good capture of that LD you would have something great to work with.
I get so damn angry when I hear things like this, I don't know what to say... it's such a damn silly subject when it really comes to it but we who saw these films when they first hit the silver-screen and know how magical it was and still is for some of us, if we just close our eyes and remember that it's just a couple of films we like... now I remember, scary kids with huge SW-issues...
What these kind of people don't seem to get, Mielr, is that you're just a fan of good cinema, not just Star Wars.
Edit: don't type when you're drunk. ;)
I saw that recently, thanks for posting, none :) A very underated composer IMO, just listened to the opening of Dirty Harry recently, genius!
The problem with this project IMO is that you're just creating another "SE" no matter how good the intentions are... I know, quite hypocritical coming from a guy that have re-constructed the burned in subs... I must admit what you're doing is damn good looking though, and done in very good taste. :)
Could you make anything from the video-clips I sent you ? just curious.
Also did take a look at your Mos eisley-clip, and noticed that the smeared parts is still left from the GOUT-footage, unfortunately making the fixed surrounded footage fall flat on the nose IMO. With your skill, I think it would be worth to upload another clip your way.
Stay tuned... maybe you can do something with it.
Moth3r said:
Well, I do prefer my colour adjustments and minimal noise reduction.
But as I said on page 1, still pics don't show you g-force/DJ's stabilized wobble, which is a deal breaker for some.
And, of course, there's your excellent work on the subtitles...
Which you are largely responsible for ;) also you didn't have as much to work from back then. But thanks anyway.
I agree, I like your more subtle approach with the noise reduction better, but g-force's stabilization work is also fantastic. Both have their pros and cons.
Mallwalker, unfortunately I can confirm that the Technidisc - pressing of SW is full of "crosstalk" if you haven't seen it for yourself by now. Maybe the amount of "crosstalk" differ from disc to disc but it's pretty extensive on mine.
Nice summary, Moth3r. IMO your efforts with the old "Pwnage" is still among the best, I would say it's a tie between yours and g-force/d_j v.3 going by those pics.
Thanks for explaining, I'm so used with the original stereo track, that even minor things like that tends to distract me. But I agree that it's one of the cool additions heard in the mono track.
I think the '93 remix additions, the sounds of debris whizzing by the cockpit or the laser-impact near Threepio at the escape pod, are 1980 sound-effects created for Empire.
Anyway, I like what I've heard so far very much :) haven't done a complete listening yet.
WhatsMyName said:
Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?
I may be wrong, but what I think he meant was: "Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal that was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars... does anybody over there watch documentries?"
d_j, I don't think you'll need proof for this, common sense is good enough. C'mon don't be silly, you were in the cinema in '77 right? Empire was my first cinema experience, and what a first cinema experience that was! but that's another story... Return of the Jedi, even as a child I remember how stupid the " Leia as Luke's sister" was, if I had been a little older when seeing that film, I would've walked out of the theater right away.
hairy_hen said:
1:00'41: hyperspace; '97, +2 db
1:00'49 - 1:01'09: planetary debris; '97, +2 db, last two impacts added to match main channels by duplicating from earlier
hairy_hen, in this segment of the film, there's an LFE addition that doesn't sound "70mm-authentic" to my ears, there's some deceleration sound effect that sounds like a leftover from the SE. Is it something you simply missed when working on it or am I completely wrong about this?
Thanks again for your fine work on this.
Zombie, Edit: Sorry, major mistake, should've been: 005, I'm trying to assist you, but I think my posts are invisible or something. ;)
ChainsawAsh said:
The Alien and Aliens Blu-Rays have 4.1 mixes on their theatrical cuts. Anyone know if those are 70mm six-track mixes, or Dolby Surround discrete mixes?
Don't really get what you mean by Dolby Surround discrete mixes, but those 4.1 tracks are the 70mm six-track mixes, Dolby Surround only contains 2 discrete channels and the correct terminology for that is Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround.
I finally got it, erri. Thanks!
Why not just make it easy and upload it to sendspace or megaupload or something and be done with it? This problem seems to be on your end anyway as Silver didn't recieve any mail either.
erri_wan said:
Once you get the email msycamore feel free to delete all my posts where I say "email sent" "email re-sent" etc, the thread is long enough without my useless messages :P
It's ok. I'm not in such a position that I could delete others posts even if I wanted ;) that can only be done by those who run this site.
Nice to hear that the discs finally arrived, dark_jedi. :) Thought they had disappeared in a black hole or the Bermuda Triangle for awhile.
No, I don't.