msycamore

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Did you get the file, MeBeJedi?

Not even a junkmail from you, no mail has been blocked. As this clearly doesn't work, can you please send it to me another way.

Yeah, I figured that could be the problem so I set it to low since the last mail didn't show up, but it's not in my junkmail either.

erri_wan said:

email re-sent ;-)

Don't know what's going on, but still no e-mail from you? Could you please PM the file via sendspace or something instead? Thanks.

erri_wan said:

Well we might re-use some of those images (we've got at least 2 or 3 Italian posters if I'm not mistaken) to "decorate" the text, so it's not too "bare looking" and boring.

I think we owe a good explanation to those who, besides us, are not aware of this Italian cut and will be wondering why there's an Italian cut at all attached to a preservation release of the original THX-1138

It's still not attached to anything, it's just a seperate preservation of the Italian cut, nothing more. But I agree with you, it would be nice to have some notes in there, its just that I've never done DVD menus before so don't expect anything fancy, maybe someone else can help out with that as I also want to move on to begin work on the LD's as soon as possible.

MeBeJedi, I checked the footage with the white speck and it's actually stuck in frame for approximately 13 minutes. :( Do you still want to give it a shot? If it seems like too much work, maybe you could try to only get rid of it in the scenes that have been altered for the DC.

erri_wan said:

I already sent you the email with the required info, check your inbox ;-)

 

That is weird, I haven not received any mail from you.  ??

MeBeJedi said:

Tell you what - render that section out with VDub and send it to me. I'll see what I can do. (Huffy would be nice, though I've seen talk of another Codec called Logarith(sp?)) 

Cool, thank you so much for helping out! Very kind of you. :) I'll make an Lagarith out of that section and upload it for you then. Thanks!

MeBeJedi said:

Removing stuff like that was easy in Combustion because I could steal from the frame prior or after. A static image poses a different situation, but it's worth a shot. I'd hate to leave something like that in the final version if it could be helped.

Yeah, that's what I suspected, a much more difficult task, hopefully you can work your magic on it. Thanks again for helping out. :)

erri_wan said:

As I probably already said I'm preparing some written stuff to put as extra in the dvd (perhaps as trivia list to associate with some rare pictures we collected). In this written text I'm explaining all about this Italian cut in the form of short paragraphs (so it will be easier to present it "cut up"). Just keep in mind I've got this stuff to send you, when it will be time for you to work on the extras.

That is great, but I don't know what extra we could possibly include for this disc that is not going on the other planned extra disc?

The way I see it:

Just the Italian cut on a single-layer DVD, would like to at least have a menu so you have the option to turn on the subs.

A dual-layer DVD for the original cut to max out the audio and video-bitrate, and possibly a supplied DVD with some extras.

erri_wan said:

Ok I think it's THX speaking in both, if you listen to him talking around minute 23' of the film you can hear the same tone. I vote THX in both lines. Let me know what you think

Yeah, it definitely sounds like it should be THX for both lines. I just wanted a second opinion on it, thanks erri!

MeBeJedi said:

Does it move at all, like a loose thread? That could be removed in Combustion. I was able to remove similar stuff in ANH, like tape splices.

IIRC it's completely static, so do you think it can be removed sucessfully?Combustion... that sounds like it would be difficult for an amatuer like me to handle, maybe you're able to help out with this project?

And yes, this thread is mainly about getting the "restored original cut" Lucas was able to release post SW, SilverWook have sent me several fine captures of his US and Japanese Laserdisc, in addition to that, Nerfherder also sent his capture of the UK LD, so we have a lot to work with. :) I just haven't started on it as I wanted to finish the Italian cut before moving on with this.

I've also sent the captures to dark_jedi in the hopes to get some help with this as my computer is not really suitable for this task when it comes to it, last I talked with him they still hadn't showed up which makes me a little nervous as it was more than two weeks ago.

erri_wan, just take your time. that went fast, Thanks. ;)

MeBeJedi said: 

I went back a few pages, but didn't find answers to the questions I had:

 

1) Are you using the Italian transfer for the entire film, including scenes with Italian writing onscreen?

2) Will there only be an Italian soundtrack with English subtitles?

As the Italian version is an entirely unique cut of the film with different editing and brief additional footage not included in either the US -"original cut" nor the 2004 "Director's Cut", the answer is yes on both of your questions, just Italian audio with english subs, the source is a a crude pan & scan transfer with a lot of compression artifacts and other nasties but it will be nice to have this nowadays rare Italian cut preserved in some way, especially for Italians but also for the rest of us who are interested in spotting the various differences and often hilarious liberties they took with the story when dubbing it.

3) How long is the segment with the white "thingie" on the left side?

That irritating white bastard is something that is on the master they used for the US, UK and Japanese Widescreen Laserdiscs, and it's unfortunately stuck in the frame for several minutes, don't remember exactly how long, but including footage that has later been digitally manipulated by the bearded mad man. I guess they just didn't bother back then as it probably didn't show up on most old tubes due to the larger overscan.

SilverWook said:

No problem! It just got a little too quiet around here all of a sudden. ;)

 

Yeah, I now what you mean, but it's moving...

SilverWook said:

I've stumbled across the existence of another 16mm print, but I'm unsure about how to discreetly make inquiries without triggering a high price being asked, if it's for sale at all.

Nice :) I really like that SEN scene you uploaded from your print, even in its crude form, it would be cool to have as an little extra.

Sorry for the lack of updates, I've recently sent my sub-file to erri_wan along with some concerns I had regarding some lines, I have also gone over it a second time and corrected some typos here and there.

When he reports back I'll finally finish this and upload it for you. Well, I also need to finalise that cover art for it...

I thought my description of it was quite clear already.

The same master:

NTSC GOUT

US Definitive Collection LD

bkev said:

The GOUT has a bizarre lack of detail in certain areas... for example, look at R2 in the final shot of Star Wars compared to any LD capture.

Damn, you're right. Always thought that shot was just the PAL LD's vs GOUT, when it's actually detail loss compared to the NTSC LD's as well. Those horizontal lines on R2 is just a blurred mess in the GOUT. Even how bad this '93 master was, it's sad that we never got SW & Empire properly transferred in '06.

dark_jedi said:

LOL, you got a taste of the Madness doing those subs, it sux doesn't it? starts to feel like a job, and you just want it OVER, but the super cool thing about the audio, it will port right over nicely to the Blu-ray set, and I will be able to keep it fresh LPCM.

Yeah, it does, but I only felt that way when I assisted you with the subs for your Blu-GOUT. Anyway, I know how crazy-hard sound-syncing is, at least IMO, so I really appreciate that both 35mm Dolby Stereo mixes of Empire and Jedi are preserved on this, even though 90% of the listeners won't bother, it's fantastic. Thank you for that.

Thanks for the explanation d_j, and I must also thank you again for all the audiosyncing you have done on these, an enormous undertaking that really can make one person go mad, IMO the true star of this set!

OmegaMattman said:

Anyhooo, after glancing at the first couple of AVI files, I must say this transfer is excellent, aside from the dot-crawl issues mentioned earlier.  In fact, during some of the opening bits, I saw less loss of vertical detail than I did on GOUT...specifically, during those early close-ups on Artoo.  I wonder if this could be overlaid on GOUT to clean-up some of that detail.

I have not seen this transfer myself yet, but I'm willing to believe you. I saw this thing on the Emperor hologram in Empire, where the DC LD preservation had detail that's missing in the GOUT: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/post/452971/#TopicPost452971 looks more like interlace pattern on those pics though, but those are the actual scanlines, they are completely gone in the GOUT-transfer. But this is actually like comparing shit vs. shit.

I forgot to ask you d_j, did you ever update this DVD set? Just wonder if I should download this or is it identical to the "test-discs?"

You're a hero, Puggo! The latest sample looks beautiful. I like the teamwork in this thread. :)

MeBeJedi said:

I believe I have the actual magazine...but I'd have to look for it. What in particular information were you looking for?

I was just curious to read it again, nothing specific. IIRC it was a quite extensive review of the set, I had a PDF file of it before, but cannot seem to find it.

You should be able to download it on their site but it doesn't seem to work: http://www.widescreenreview.com/ld_detail.php?recid=1043

Do someone have that old Widescreen Review of the Definitive Collection LD set saved? or a link to it perhaps? You cannot access it any longer on their site.

I can also help with invites to MySpleen if it's needed, IIRC I got 10 of them.

MeBeJedi said:

The "Fuss" was that it wasn't solely about the transfer, but also about how we were going to fix up the video afterwards. That's where Laserman's expertise came in. 

I think what Harmy meant is that some people are maybe expecting a miracle just from this raw capture when it isn't. You guys haven't stated that either but maybe what you describe above is what some didn't get.

Harmy said:

msycamore said:

Harmy said:

...but capturing the 1993DC doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

It did make a lot of sense when Laserman captured these, GOUT wasn't available back then.

 

Well, yeah sure, I just don't see what's all the fuss about now, when we do have the GOUT (and it sucks but it probably sucks a tiny bit less than even the best possible LD transfer).

 

Neither do I.