msycamore

Harmy said:

That's not so easy. Selectable DVD subs cannot be saved as an editable text file. DVD subs are basically a video stream. There are programs that can convert them to a text file but it works on a text recognition principle, similarly to converting a scanned page into an editable text file.

Sorry, I'm not sure if I get what you really mean or what you're referring to, erri_wan could easily get an editable SRT-file from the DVD by simply demux it.

Harmy said:

As to the SRT only problem, there are free programs that convert between different subtitle formats, so it shouldn't be much of a problem to use whatever subs you have and then simply convert them.

Yes, almost every sub program have that function. You have that function in SubtitleCreator as well. My own subs was of course a SRT-file so no problem there, the reason was that I didn't want to begin from scratch again, when I was finally happy with my SUP-file, the subs I made in SubtitleCreator was superior in every way compared to what I was able to do in DVD Lab Pro, and I just wanted to get going with the Laserdiscs.

You can't just import a SRT-file to a sub program and convert it to SUP and mux it with a DVD and expect to get good results without any further work done to it before that stage. Subs are a real bitch to do right. With a little more patience, and perhaps different software I could have done it better.

Maybe someone further down the line will re-work it and make menus for it, if they think it is in need of it.

Thank you so much none for re-uploading the 1975 Casting Auditions, much appreciated! :)

Molly said:

I use Aegisub to make my own subtitles but the only format both Aegisub and DVD Lab Pro support out of the box is SRT.  (I think DVD Lab Pro supports SSA 2.x also, but not 4.x or ASS.)

Yeah, that's what made me mad. ;)

erri_wan said:

It just came in my mind that perhaps I should take care of subtitles in Italian for the English DVD. Italians have never seen the "restored version" and I suppose many could be curious to watch it.

Luckly the new CGI version has dialogues closely translated so I can base my work on that.

What do you say msycamore?

Everyone is of course free to make their own subs and mux them in for their own enjoyment when it's done, I will not include various subtitle streams for this, because it means more work. They don't take up much space but it's not like I can just drop in various subs for people without any work, they have to be synced specifically to this audio/video file and I'm not even sure if I will include my own English sub stream at this moment. It is easily done by yourself when you have this disc on your computer. Hope you understand.

SilverWook, thank you so much for going through the trouble capping those Betamax frames! quite washed out colors, but you get the general idea. It seems the 2004 opening match those pretty well, I'm actually surprised by the appearance of color on the Buck Rogers clip.

Betamax

Laserdisc

DVD

The Betamax seems to have more of a green tint but otherwise it seems pretty close, will be interesting to see how the Pan & Scan LD look.

EDIT: Also, thanks for letting me know about the editing as well, I became a little paranoid about all these different versions for a while there. ;)

Well, they are many but it was DVD Lab Pro that gave me problems with the Italian, I don't like to do my subs in DVD Lab Pro, I use SubtitleCreator instead, one of the reasons I faced some problems when I tried to make that disc.

RU.08 said:

...and the subtitles fall in the bottom-spot of the 2-line one, not the top.

Like Harmy said, that is incorrect. If you're going by my screen-caps in this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Greedo-Jabba-subtitles-theatrical-placement-and-fonts/topic/11463/ you need to keep in mind that the 16mm transfer is cropped at the bottom of the screen, the single 2-line dialogue however is cropped at the top instead as I took that from the Swedish transfer to have the complete line visible, I think that may be what fooled you. When doing your placement, go for visual cues instead.

SilverWook said:

I doubt it as the Kinney regime wasn't in charge by then. Studio logos get changed more often than underwear!

Yeah, it was probably this one:

That logo were also on the Re-release poster. So, how exactly do we want it?

SilverWook said:

I was listening the commentary track on The Shining recently, and Kubrick agonizing over the size and color of his titles was discussed. I actually have an old Japanese LD of the film where the closing credits are in the same blue as the opening titles. Every other video release I've ever seen the closing credits are always white. So this isn't a totally unique situation...

Very interesting as I'm a huge fan of The Shining, didn't know about that variation. Maybe a US/International difference.

About the green colored title - trademark of Lucas, we have to remember that American Graffiti could also have gotten the same treatment for its Re-release in '78. The original theatrical version from '73 has not yet been released on video.

SilverWook said:

My offer was accepted. So we will have the '86 Laserdisc as a reference soon. :)

Nice, you big spender! ;)

SilverWook said:

I was thinking about taking photos of all my copies of THX one of these days. Can we squeeze a photo gallery on the DVD?

Sure, why not. :)

I'll definitely need some help with creating menus when the time comes though.

Yes, of course. The IP or whatever they used, maybe 10 years could be very destructive on the material if it was stored incorrectly, the rest of the transfer don't show that amount of fading though.

I doubt the green was first added for the early video releases though, both your '82 Betamax and early UK VHS have the green credits, but it would be interesting to see how the JAP '86 look. Even if they were actually white on the '71 prints, we will go green for this preservation IMO as this is the re-release cut. On the other hand, we don't know if they used the Warner Kinney logo on the re-release prints. ;)

Everything's possible I guess, the shooting script describes the green colored opening credits, but that script may be a revised published version just like the various Star Wars scripts out there. The Italian version could've easily used green colored ones to imitate the US original but they are white. Could the video master even fade that much just in 10 years? the opening is easily the part which is in the worst condition on this videomaster, extremely dirty... someone with more expertise will need to chime in on this matter.

No need to check the LD, SilverWook. I now noticed that the screen-cap they referred to was from the UK-capture Nerfherder sent me. I cannot see these artifacts in yours.

Thanks for the help Rogue-theX.

If Jaitea's capture look as good as I think it do, going by his screen-caps, I will use that instead. But the 2004 DVD transfer will be used for the opening. It's really weird about the lack of green credits in the LD-master, I think there's a possibility they were white in the original 1971 theatrical release and updated for the 1978 re-release, it's weird in any case.

kenkraly2007 said:

rockin said:

Ken how come your posts are so inconsistent? Some posts you sound like a semi-intelligent person then others you sound like you're intoxicated by some substance. LOL stop the drugs dude or whatever it is you are on.

I am clean I have not done any drugs at all in my life. None period. I just can't understand why the issue of the OOT not being released on blu-ray is a big issue it's not a huge deal for me.

 LUCAS DRUGS LTD. ;)

I can only agree with Moth3r, what you have done is nothing short of astonishing, IMO you found a perfect balance! my only gripe is the lack of spitting sound ;) and the LFE addition when the Falcon comes out of hyperspace, but then I am nitpicking to the extreme.

I must say though that my receiver actually do a better job at upmixing in Dolby ProLogic II, my homebrew 2.1 and 2.0 sounds better to me than the 5.1 track in terms of separation, much more clearly defined somehow which I find a little weird, but I guess it can vary dependant on what equipment you have.

Love it, hairy_hen! it is so professionally done that I think you actually need to begin work in the business. And you need to do some homework... Apocalypse Now, one of the greatest films ever made in my opinion. Go see it, now! ;)

snowtrooper said:

I actually have a list of the bad frames I found on all the DVDs.

Please post your findings if it is PAL/NTSC differences or IVTC errors in the thread I linked to earlier in this thread. It can be useful.

Yeah, now I see what you're talking about, it could've been introduced when imagehack converted the image to JPG, but most of it is more likely video noise, I'm no expert in the field, but I guess it could be many things, player, cables and how it was captured etc. I see no big problem with it, in fact this is some of the finest LD-captures I've ever seen. Did you guys see the same noise on the samples I posted? Cannot check this myself at the moment.

Your suggestion on applying a layer of this noise on the DVD-footage sounds strangely familiar with what Moth3r suggested to me a while back regarding the alien subs in SW, it sounds like a very good idea, I just have to find out exactly how you do that. ;)

Doesn't the SWE LD of SW have a bit of an overall greenish-yellow tint to it?

Moth3r said:

I think Burtt is referring to the different decisions made when mixing the "stems" together to create the final mix, rather than adding or removing sound effects.

I still believe what I said here, which is that the Dolby Stereo and 70mm 6-track mixes are identical in terms of content, the only difference being how the stems were combined to make the final mix. 

Yes, I absolutely agree with you, maybe wrong of me to call them "additons" when those differences were actually more a case of a different decision in terms of how loud they mixed those effects, the most obvious must be the explosion of the TIE that Han takes out in the trench run, which is almost inaudible in the 35mm mix.

Thanks for the suggestion, will definitely check it out. I don't get what you mean about the LD-video noise looking stretched though, care to explain that further please?

Also... Jaitea, who posted a few screen-caps of his PAL LD transfer on page 17, has kindly offered to send me a copy. :) :)

Had it not been for the original WB-logo and green credits, I would never consider to use it, the problem with using footage from it in this part of the film is that it may be harder to blend in with the LD-footage, but I'll at least try it out. I'll also try to improve the PAL transfer, make it more sharp and see what is going to produce the best results. Thanks for your comments.

It sure would be nice to have a reference but no need to go through the trouble just for this, I trust your eyes SilverWook, you have done so much for this project already. :)

Right now I'm going to try out a median filter to eliminate all random dropouts from the different captures, then off to learn some AfterEffects...

^ nothing to add.

The saddest part to me besides that the real films aren't restored is that if you're a film lover no matter how old you are and íf you're a fan of Star Wars, you either have to watch an almost 20 year old 4:3 transfer with so lousy quality it hurts your eyes. 2nd... if you would like to see the '97 SE you're in for an even worse experience, and if by chance you would like to experience the films as Lucas would like you to do at the moment, it's even worse IMO. Those transfers are the worst peice of shit I have ever seen and I have seen the GOUT. Simply put, no matter which version you like of Star Wars, Lucas have effectively killed it.

Nice promo, never seen that before. :) Obi-Wan's saber doesn't look exactly green to my eyes, his and Luke's saber in Star Wars never had the same kind of color it had in Empire anyway, the same goes for Vader's, it was always more light-blue with perhaps a shade of green in some shots. I know what you mean but green saber to me is Jedi or the glitch in the 2004 DVD fiasco. One thing's for sure the vibrant blue saber Ben wields in the 2004 DVD is completely inauthentic. (Edit:) ...to how it looked in '77. ;)

Want to show you a few things about the different cropping between the UK LD and US/JAP LD's I mentioned earlier in the thread.

US/JAP

UK

As you can see, the US/JAP transfer is showing more info to the left but losing instead quite much info on the right side, not a big problem but the photography of THX is very stylized with many static shots where there is only action going on to the far left or right of the frame, so when you lose that much info in other scenes it gets a little worse.

US/JAP Here Donald Pleasence is almost completely cropped, not seen at all on regular old CRT-TV's

UK

US/JAP Not as bad as the earlier example but ugly nevertheless...

UK

US/JAP

UK

US/JAP

UK

US/JAP

UK

This aren't the end of the world of course, these are basically the only places in the film I get distracted by the bad framing in the US/JAP transfer. I don't know if I want to use the UK transfer for these shots either when the US/JAP captures is superior in almost every way, the only advantage I can see that the UK have besides the framing, is the lack of edge-enhancement. But I seriously consider to use the 2004 transfer (degraded) for these parts as this bad framing only appears when the damn white dirt is stuck in frame so it would make all things a little easier, two problems solved that way.

If I can use the 2004 transfer succesfully, match the contrast, colors etc, I will still need to clean up seven shots of original footage... I don't know, what do you guys think?

SilverWook, when you get the chance, can you also check how the Buck Rogers footage look on your Beta if it is included on that tape that is, I'm curious if it appears in black and white or in a sepia tone like on the Laserdisc transfer. Thanks.

dark_jedi said:

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a frame list of the "bad" frames in the GOUT video, for all 3 films? I am tossing around an idea, and surely would love to see a list if someone may have took the time to find these errors already, it sure would help, here are a couple samples that I am talking about.

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Whats-missing-from-GOUT/post/457552/#TopicPost457552 More about which frames are missing in the transfer but you have the frames with interlacing errors in there as well, don't know if it is complete.

SilverWook said:

If you need some inspiration for menu ideas later on, the official movie website has some interesting imagery.

http://www.thx1138movie.com/

 Thanks, didn't know it still existed.

No, I'm still working on the Laserdiscs. The Italian cut is what is available at the moment.

Rogue-theX said:

Does anyone know what features ect. will be on the disc's, or is it too early yet to tell?

Sorry, forgot to answer this. Yes, it's a little too early to tell yet I'm afraid. Will let you know when the time is drawing near. :)

They switched to .org a few months ago, PM me if you need an invite.