msycamore

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Wow. I do actually see some resemblance between mverta's picture and your tweaked version. With the aid of a few more reference photos, will you try your hand at some color correction for the Technidisc V2, msycamore. The basic color information seems to be there, much more so than the GOUT.

Yeah, I said that I would like to do a second one with color correction at some point, as I am not satisfied with how it look in some parts. But I decided to release it as it is because I know that some people appreciate a straight preservation of the video as it was.

mverta, I know that they're not final and that my opinions on this doesn't matter but I actually think your previous pic look far more right and natural with more detail if you like to hear an amatuer speak. ;)

Flunk doesn't have any alien subs. I know that most people like Flunk best due to its sharper image but it is affected by chroma subsampling and other problems, IMO Reivax beats it.

I did my own version way back with a combination of Flunk and Reivax with the latter as a base, similar to what mallwalker once uploaded to the newsgroup, but instead converted to NTSC with alien subs and fixed aspect ratio. I can upload it someday if there is interest. If the version itself and its smearing isn't enough I think all these are basically unwatchable without re-authoring with their stretched image and PAL-speedup.

bkev said:

Your color grading actually reminds me a lot of what little I've seen of the JSC and msycamore's recent transfer of the Technidisc.  Does anyone else see it?

No, but if you set the contrast right which is very inconsistent and remove the yellow/green push on the old Technidisc LD, I would say you can come close, in what little color information that's still left in an old LD-transfer.

top: SWE Technidisc LD / bottom: a quick correction

and mverta's orgasm bringing pic:

TServo2049 said:

I can't compare the flyover, because in EoD they just used the 2004 version and painted over (most of) the desaturated/white lasers. So we get the Star Destroyer shooting thin green lines instead of thin white lines. No idea why they didn't use the original version...

 

The documentary used footage from the '97 SE telecine on that flyover that's why the colors on the lasers etc, are fine.

hairy_hen said:

Pretty surprising to me that the error in the cave scene was actually there originally.  That and the laser sound during the battle are things that were fixed for the 35mm, because they seem to be actual mistakes.  However, I don't know why the TIE fighter engine sound would have been removed. 

Yeah, I doubt you could actually see Luke deactivate his saber in the 70mm version but you never know. ;) The difference in those TIE engine sounds are a weird one, the 70mm mix sound so much better to me in this case, the familiar roar we're all used to hear, the TIE's in the 35mm mix sounds very weak and not at all how we're used to hear them.

Yeah, I wanted to be that guy. But now reading some recent posting, it seems my offer was (silently) rejected, after having been accepted intially. I'm gonna go sulk for a while

Can you elaborate on this, not sure I get what you mean. Haven't arnie.d said he would be happy to send his X9-captures to anyone who is willing to work on them? Not sure if anyone did take his offer though, would love to see them completed.

That is great and interesting info, will have to make some edits on the info text then.

Then I wonder what version it is on the VHS that is on its way to me, the '76 version or the re-release. When you say a second release 8 years later, do you mean 8 years from '76? that would place it in '84, or do you mean 8 years from '71 which would place it only 1 year after its US re-release which sounds correct.

hairy_hen said:

Am I the only one who thinks the 70mm version of the end scene actually plays better, in a way?  It sounds odd to me on one level because I'm so used to how they changed it, but at the same time the line about finding Jabba the Hutt is unnecessary.  Hmm . . .

You're not the only one, both in terms of music and rhythm it plays much better to me.

captainsolo said:

Holy crap! I finally got around to looking through this and simply could not turn it off!! This is now my personal favorite SW behind the Puggo.

The colors look brilliant and saturated. The sound mix is clear. AND THERE IS NO SMEARING!!

Also, does this use the 85 Stereo remix?

I'm glad you like it, captainsolo. :) Yes, this LD and this preservation have the '85 Stereo remix, remember that you can remux it with any NTSC GOUT synced track if you prefer to have a different mix on it, that's what I did.

Now that some time has gone since this wonderful recording surfaced, have anyone heard any other differences in terms of content compared to the 35mm Dolby Stereo other than these:

• When Luke runs out of the wampa cave, there is a sound of his lightsaber deactivating even though it stays lit onscreen, this error later reappeared in the Special Edition.
• The TIE fighter sound effects are different in the Imperial fleet establishing shot after Luke's failure at the cave. (Can be heard on the GOUT's Spanish and French audio tracks)
• Different laserfire can be heard during the snow battle, the sound used for TIE fighters instead of X-wings.
• The establishing shot of the rebel fleet at the end of the film doesn't contain tracked music. The two additional shots of the fleet added to the 35mm version required the tracking of a section of "Yoda and the Force" to precede the cue "The Rebel Fleet".
• Lando's line "Luke, we're ready for takeoff." is a different take. (The same take can be heard in the Special Edition)
• The exterior shot over which Lando says "When we find Jabba the Hutt and that bounty hunter, we'll contact you." is not in the 70mm version, instead when Luke says (voice over), "Good luck, Lando" the scene cuts directly to inside the rebel cruiser where Luke says, "I'll meet you at the rendezvous point on Tatooine."
• Lando's line "Princess, we'll find Han. I promise." is a different take.

I know what you mean about that 70's vibe. You can clearly see it on that single frame, the warm flesh tones, the pastel, just beautiful.

mverta said:
However- this is definitely worth your time to check out:

Color Fidelity Comparison 

Holy shit! that frame is beautiful, that's STAR WARS. :)

Both this one

Dialogue Difference 5 29:46

When R2-D2 is being loaded into Luke's X-Wing, C-3PO says "and" before saying "do take good care of yourself."

and Lando's line "We're sure in the middle of it now"

are in the original theatrical mixes and in their '93 THX remastered tracks, those lines are just mixed lower in volume compared to other mixes.

Ginge said:

I'm pretty sure Neil has the V3 DVD though, not the Blu-ray.

 Discussed on the page before this:

msycamore said:

Neil S. Bulk, maybe you should change your signature to "Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed except in the cell bay -shootout" ;) at least that's what I've heard some people say, don't know if it's true or not.

Neil S. Bulk said:

Ha, that's funny, if true!  I don't have the Blu-rays so I can't check.  From what I've heard of them though they did sound like tweaked versions of the 2004 re-mix and weren't that impressive. 

Anyway, I should not derail this thread further with this.

Will take a listen on my V3-disc and see if the phasing can be heard.

What a nice event, cool video. :)

I cannot confirm if this blu-ray audio issue is true or not as I don't own it myself, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's true, people would be better off with your old fixed track instead anyway if you had to endure that mess of a version of the film.

Neil S. Bulk, maybe you should change your signature to "Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed except in the cell bay -shootout" ;) at least that's what I've heard some people say, don't know if it's true or not.

reave said:

The time compression used for the CED/LD is likely different than the PAL speedup, as its intended purpose was to fit the running time to the formats limitations, not a framerate issue. It would also be missing the HBO watermarks.  

Hmm, anyone who knows the specifics on how they accomplished the time-compressed video on LD, is there even a way to fully restore such video to its original state?

It could make quite a big difference, raw cap from an X9 vs mpeg2 encode from V8, especially if the X9 don't have the color smear the V8 had.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I think you would get really nice results with your great AfterEffects skills if someone capped relevant parts from the old pan & scan LD's, the '85 standard play comes to mind. But then the capture needs to be a really good one of course.

d_j, there is only those two frames of the fleet that is missing in the NTSC causing the audio to be two frames ahead from that moment until that frame on Endor which instead is not on the PAL causing the audio only one frame ahead from then on. IIRC the PAL GOUT also have lots of more solid black frames after the end titles, that's why the difference in frames are larger than 1 frame in total when loading the files in VirtualDub for example.

No problem, it's not easy for non Swedish guys to spell that stupid title correct, especially with its 'ä' in it. ;)

I can't say I noticed any phasing issue either, but I have only listened to your 5.1 "Purist" mix once back when d_j finished his disc and then I was mostly checking if the sync was alright.

When it comes to Empire I am completely happy with the original 35mm Stereo and my favorite track is definitely the '93 THX remastered track with your great fixes implemented along with the re-instated whining snowspeeder. :) One of the reasons I haven't given your 5.1 mix any feedback yet, have to listen to it again sometimes.

We could perhaps contact David Morgan and see if he can remember if that 70mm presentation of Star Wars didn't have their surround and LFE channels up and running when he did this recording. According to this list of first-week engagements: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/chapters/theatres.htm Triplex Paramus in New Jersey which he was attending, was one of the few theaters that did have their equipment up and running during its opening day.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

If you want a Swedish-subtitled version, the Stagnornas Krig is also available.

 It's correct title is STJÄRNORNAS KRIG. ;)

Nice find none, it never ends...

Like TServo already said about the pod window, just DVNR combined with bad vertical detail.

It's available on MySpleen, I sent you an invite jasmorru.

I pointed out this sync issue earlier in the thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-1977-70mm-sound-mix-recreation-stereo-and-51-versions-now-available/post/462841/#TopicPost462841 But it seems most people wasn't bothered by it then to make any adjustments.

Thanks for the info h_h, a sample isn't really necessary, I can wait for the finished work. I like your decisision about removing those effects as I'm also leaning towards they being '93 additions just for the reason you stated. ;)