msycamore

Those subs look fantastic! Good job Harmy.

TServo2049 said:

I'm really not sure if those green-to-pink things were really alterations...

No, of course not, it was just something I wanted to point out.

SilverWook said: 

To be honest, I'm not too sure about including the short and featurette, as these are on the official DVD. Which we are all supposed to own a copy of in the first place. ;)

The rest could fit comfortably with the main feature.

Yeah, I've thought about that, one of the reasons I don't want any extra on the movie disc is because I want all space dedicated to video and audio bitrate. So if we're not including those features already available to us, we should be able to include the Re-release trailer, Radio Spots and eventually the lost SEN footage without sacrificing too much needed bitrate I guess.

Ser mycket lovande ut, You_Too. ;)

I would not recommend my technisc transfer as some kind of reference, as already said, it's too yellow with bad contrast in many places.

The greens in Negative1's scans is definitely due to fading.

russs15 said:

Belbucus spoiled us with the 1977 ANH Mono Restoration and the 1977 ANH Theatrical in High Quality from the analogue 1130-84 CAV LaserDisc. He also gave us the 93 mixes ex DC/Faces (are these "rips" or captures and how do they stack up against the GOUT audio??)

IMO there's really no comparison, the AC-3 tracks on Star Wars and Jedi sound pretty good for being lossy 192 kbps tracks but cannot compete with the PCM of the LD's, the Empire DVD track have less dynamic range for some reason making the PCM even more superior, hairy_hen and/or d_j have since his GOUT project also repaired a slight glitch in the PCM track of Empire (a high pitched sound appearing when the Falcon "attacking" the Stardestroyer) and a glitch in the '93 track itself (a jump cut in the music just before C-3PO says, "If only you'd attached my legs, I wouldn't be in this ridiculous position."  The music cue starts and then it seems to start again less than half a second later).

I would also count the weird lack of the whining snowspeeder sound effect being a sort of miss/glitch in the process of creating this remaster as the goal with this track wasn't to make things sounding different, they just went back to the source material/masters to avoid the limited range of the original optical track.

russs15 said:

Back to ESB, do we now have conclusive proof that all pre-DC - analogue or Digital Sound - are the same mixes? If so, a rip of a Digital Sound LD must be better (I assume!!) than any analogue capture we can do so are you planning a "rip" of one of your amazing collection to add to your 1130-85TD ANH and 1478-80 ROTJ "rips". I may as well ask the other question - are you planning anything High Quality with the analogue 1425-84?? (I ask as I am still hoping to do my single mix of analogue v digital to finally prove that they are the same to myself.)

I don't believe anyone have been able to prove it, it's just that no one have been able to hear any difference in content as of yet.

^^Totally agree, the way those corridor scenes in the original Empire looked was beautiful.

It's quite amazing or should I say depressing that alterations are still found, the GOUT pic Harmy posted is another one of those green-turned-pink-flaws in the THX transfer, see Vader's belt.

reave said:

msycamore said I would love it if somone could help me out with this to speed things up as I have no experience of doing DVD-menus, let me know and I'll send you the material for it. Thanks.

I would make the DVD/menus, but only if you're not in a super rush to see it.

Nice! that would be geat, thank you for helping out reave! very kind of you.:) No hurry, I'm just happy if someone else can do it as it will ultimately speed up things than if I tried to learn how to do this myself once I'm done with the main feature and then I may also find the time to do the subtitles for this one. Thanks!

You guys did great with the translation. Love that pic of the DVD. :) It also makes me happy to see that you own Dark Star, love Carpenter's early work, after The Thing it went downhill.

The Italian DVD is still seeded on MySpleen last time I checked.

Edit: And what did you say Leo? ;)

thxita said:

At 14.04

Cinque uomini sono fuggiti dal centro riabilitazione DD2...

riacciuffati sono stati sottoposti a trattamento duro

Change the subtitles of those two lines with these:

Five men escaped from rehabilitation center DD2

all five have been caught and given hard treatment

 

If you watch the scene again you'll see that the dialogue subtitled in English is kinda "repetitive" on the fact that they have been caught. Must be due to too many revisions. Sorry about that.

(I think the "all five" was your modification from my original translation but I like it. The news reporter literally says "once caught they have been given hard treatment")

Will do, thanks! I can also upload the revised subs so that people can remux the DVD if they want.

About the current project, a second disc accompanying the main feature disc with extras is the plan and it would be really nice if someone could help me out with creating that disc to speed up this project so that I can focus on the movie only part. I would like it to at least include:

• Lucas' original student short
• Featurette "Bald"
• Original and re-release trailer
• Radio spots
• Deleted footage (SEN's conversation with the children)
• Photos etc.

I would love it if someone could help me out with this to speed things up as I have no experience of doing DVD-menus, let me know and I'll send you the material for it. Thanks.

SilverWook said:

The 16mm is really worn out though. It's main value is having the extended SEN scene in English. That alone will make a good extra. :)

Someone did suggest using the print for making THX "grindhouse" style several pages back.

It would be really cool but I can understand if Puggo doesn't as I'm sure he have lots of other prints to take care of.

The extended SEN scene would be great to have as an extra. :)

Just point it out to me and I can make corrections for possible future use, you never know what the Italian tape I ordered will bring us. SilverWook haven't seen it yet either as he wait for me to sending him the disc, sorry for taking so long Silver.

Btw, the few that have seen the Italian DVD, how was the subtitling on it, was it hard to follow? I know that some computer display translations is a little problematic on it but I'm curious if it was overall OK.

SilverWook said:

Techniscope is such an unusual film format, that they may have simply used a 35mm release print for the old video masters that had the slight distortions in it. How does the ITA compare?

Yeah, could maybe be the reason for it. Erri's original AVI-file is 720/576 = 5:4, but you can see its true aspect ratio if you adjust it to display in 4:3 in VLC:

SilverWook said:

P.S. I've asked Puggo if he can capture the Warner/Kinney logo off the 16mm print. Keep your fingers crossed.

I'm definitely going to use the DVD for the opening credits but it would be really nice to see your print captured by him. :)

captainsolo said:

Here's an article from the time of Redux that goes into every nauseating detail of every AN sound mix.

http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_apocalypse_redux/

 

Thanks for posting that link! lots of interesting info I never knew about.

I have searched for such a filter but with no luck, I will try out what you suggested, thanks for helping out, appreciated.

Another thing not related to THX, but I choose to ask it here anyway, any idea why the opening and end titles on American Graffiti is window boxed on LD and DVD, thick black bars at the side of the frame. Does it have something to do with the Techniscope format or was it just a way to avoid overscan on old TV's? is the Blu-ray also window boxed on the end titles and the opening Universal logo?

satanika said:

What procedure were you using that's too hard on your computer? Not possible with some form of delogo in avisynth?

I was going to get rid of it in After Effects, I could maybe try out some delogo filter in avisynth and see if it works, thanks for the suggestion. Btw, do you happen to know if there's any avisynth filter that can simulate telecine wobble/gate weave?

Ok, I have finally decided to let the white static dirt in frame stay, sorry but my computer is simply not up to the task, it would've been nice but those 15 minutes will at least be more pleasing to the eyes than the NTSC transfer was, the bad cropping actually bothered me more than the dirt.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, why does the opening titles on the LD-transfers seem to be a little bit stretched compared to the DVD transfer, well it seems the aspect ratio on the LD's was a little bit off, take a look at the circles on the LD in this example:

Laserdisc

DVD

Haven't checked if this is consistent throughout the film yet but it will be corrected. I don't know how usual this was in the early days of letterbox transfers. I recently discovered that my Empire SWE LD seem to have slightly incorrect aspect ratio in places as well, but we all know the issues with the first film in that set.

TServo2049 said:

While trying to determine the font in the MPAA logo, I popped in the JSC V8. If I turn up saturation, I can notice the drop shadow (though even here, there's a load of bleeding, so it still looks like a diffuse glowy blob). But it's not like the GOUT where the grain removal softened the text to all heck - I can see the edges on the text! Just interesting to note... 

That is most likely the chroma-shift in the JSC-transfer you're seeing, I really doubt that you can see the drop shadow on that low-res transfer.

Harmy said:

In the old one the Dewback is just from GOUT but I noticed that you can see it from that angle in the shot where Luke and Ben are leaving the cantina (just before the Greedo scene), so I used that and even used the building from there, so it's actually HD.

Looking good but keep in mind that the establishing shot was part matte painting in the original film, so now you have the real building in place where the matte was before, making this shot despecialized and specialized at the same time. ;)

Did take a look at that whole sequence in the 2004 DVD, and the lights are actually still there in the few frames that follow.

I think it's quite clear that they removed the wall-lights to better match the set that was used for the pickups at the end of the shoot. All close-ups of Greedo except this one was pickups with a different set and a different set of Greedo-fingers compared to the Greedo we see in the original shoot with Ford in the wide-shots.

Quite depressing when you discover that a whole year have passed since I first started to work with this... anyway, are there any avisynth filters that is able to simulate telecine wobble/gate weave?

I would definitely be interested in that as well and I believe Mallwalker is already working on it.

The '85 Stereo for Star Wars is already ripped by him and available on the newsgroup in the form of 1130-85 Technidisc, don't know how it compares to the other '85 tracks but it's the most complete of the bunch as that LD don't lack all the frames at the reel changes other transfers do, it's the one h_h uses for his 70mm-reconstruction.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Sorry for appearing greedy but the 1997 was the first version I grew up with and a nice NTSC hybrid version would be utterly amazing. If you upload it to torrents, I'd be willing to repost it to MultiUpload.

I shouldn't have mentioned it, I'll call you Greedo from now on. ;) Seriously though, I can do that when I find the time and when my computer allow it.