msycamore

You_Too said:

 The "Switch all power to front deflector screen(s)" line is actually correct like it is. The reason it sounds like "screens" is that they replay the line without a gap = "Switch all power to front deflector screenSwitch all power to front deflector screen". At least that's what it sounds like to me.

Take a listen to the lines in the mono mix and you'll hear it, it's also how it appears in the published script.

Another one is "We're passing through the magnetic field" Could be "We're passing through their magnetic field" that's how it appeared in the published/forged script which are more or less based on the dialogue in the film not the other way around, but if you cannot hear the difference it doesn't really matter, I cannot, these are also such trivial things that it doesn't change anything important being one way or the other.

A funny Threepio line that is missing is his response to Owen's "Shut up" where Threepio answers "Shutting up, sir." I can see why CatBus omitted it, as readability is always more important, but here's how I handled it when I did my own a few years ago:

119

00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,568

Yeah, all right. Shut up.

I’ll take this one.

120

00:17:50,633 --> 00:17:51,934

-Shutting up, sir.

-Luke!

You also have to keep in mind that the main source Harmy is working with is still the horrible 2004/11 master, even with great Technicolor print references at hand, it's not easy to get this source to look like the original.

Great project CatBus! What an enormous job! 

I skimmed through the SRT file of Star Wars and noticed that a couple of minor issues from the official DVD subs carried over:

00:09:25, 163 --> 00:09:27, 663

What a desolate place this is!

Not an actual error but the exclamation mark here seems out of place to me.

01:09:19, 654 --> 01:09:22, 614

- What?

- Well, more well than you can imagine.

Should be, wealth. I don't know, maybe this is part of your effort to maintain dialogue fidelity?

01:45:49, 051 --> 01:45:51, 576

Fall in! Fall in!

should be, Pull in! Luke, pull in! (more audible in the Mono mix)

01:46:53, 883 --> 01:46:56, 883

Switch all power to front deflector screen.

screens (more audible in the Mono mix)

01:52:10, 065 --> 01:52:12, 865

Hurry up, Luke!

Quick! Quick!

I think this should be Wait! Quick! (more audible in the Mono mix)

For those of you who would like to have regular English subs to accompany the Mono mix, but aren't sure what all the differences are, just change/add these lines. May need some adjustments done to the timings though.

00:50:55, 687 --> 00:50:57, 987

Alright, check this side of the street.

Change to:

Alright, check that side of the street.

00:51:01, 761 --> 00:51:04, 224

The door's locked. Move on to the next one.

Change to:

It's secure. Move on to the next one.

Add:

01:06:58, 699 --> 01:07:01, 169 (not sure about the timing)

The tractor beam is coupled to

the main reactor in seven locations.

Add:

01:07:01, 900 --> 01:07:04, 736 (not sure about the timing)

A power loss at one of the terminals

will allow the ship to leave.

01:14:20, 388 --> 01:14:21, 946  (timing may need some adjustment)

Yes.

Change to:

-Yes.

-Governor Tarkin? 

Add:

01:27:11, 033 --> 01:27:12, 667 (not sure about the timing)

Close the blast doors!

01:46:08, 804 --> 01:46:11, 604

There's a heavy fire zone...

Red Five, where are you?

Change to:

There's a heavy fire zone on this side.

Red Five, where are you?

(It's the same guy saying both lines, so no need for hyphens.)

01:46:21, 417 --> 01:46:23, 544

Blast it, Biggs! Where are you?

Change to:

Blast it, Wedge! Where are you?

I think that is all that needs to be changed.

SilverWook said:

Watched Jedi tonight. Richard Marquand remains the elusive director of mystery. 

Is Marquand the director of this film? How can he direct a movie from 2011 if he died in 1987? this is really spooky.

Ah, yes. Forgot that it only could handle analog audio.

People are upset because the source of the franchise have been put in the trash by its creator. If you don't feel strongly about that, then I guess you do not like Star Wars as much as people on this site does.

SilverWook said:

These particular models just have too many moving parts. It's like a Rube Goldberg invention on the inside! 

I guess my 790 model is very similar.

SilverWook said:

I wish my industrial player was as good in the video department, as it's built like a tank. I've been seeing some other models made for educational use pop up for sale factory sealed lately, but no idea if they're any better or worse.

Aren't your 8210 still going strong? Besides the minor weird artifacts seen on the luma, I would say it's the best one in the video department going by your THX captures.

SilverWook said:

Seems like a motor has gone bad as I can't unload the disc that's stuck in there. It's not the turn mechanism like before. I hope this won't be an expensive fix.

Crap, sorry to hear that.

George Lucas: If you look at Blade Runner, it’s been cut sixteen ways from Sunday and there are all kinds of different versions of it. Star Wars, there’s basically one version — it just keeps getting improved a little bit as we move forward. … All art is technology and it improves every year. Whether it’s on the stage or in music or in painting, there are technological answers that happen, and because movies are so technological, the advances become more obvious. 

Star Wars the software. It's unfortunate that it isn't advertised as such then, Star Wars beta, 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 and so forth. People are buying work in progress after all.

Lucas: Well, it’s not a religious event. I hate to tell people that. It’s a movie, just a movie.

If only Lucas would see it that way.

SilverWook said:

On an unrelated note, my CLD-D704 has bought the farm again. Just when I was getting up to speed on weeding out my LD collection.

I'm glad that you was able to at least capture the THX LD from it.

Work is slow, I still need to match the PAL LD - footage with the NTSC footage as best as I can, then I will burn a test copy and see how it looks on my TV, then it's the dreaded audio syncing left. I know this is taking forever, but hang in there.

^^ Brilliant! :)

Harmy said:

Yeah, and I actually really wish I could restore all those as well but it would be an impossible amount of work, so I guess the burn marks will stay out as well.

It's that kind of philosophy of yours that makes this project so nice.

I find it really cool that you even consider to include such things as the "burn-marks" Harmy. :) But I guess it would be inconsistent with how the rest of your edit look. I mean, I doubt you've put back in the built-in dirt on the opticals. The original film, even when brand new had tons of black spots whenever an optical where seen, the landspeeder shot in Mos Eisley and lightsaber training scene in the Falcon for example had black splotches everywhere.

I understand this scripting of yours is one setting for the entire film, but I seriously recommend anyone color correcting the '06 bonus disc to treat at least the opening shot separately, as the '77 film element they spliced in have a vastly different white level (contrast) compared to the '93 LD-master.

Flash frame on the spliced in material:

Flash frame on the '93 LD-master:

I'm not entirely sure but I believe the splice occur right before the "A long time ago" text, the Fox logo and Lucasfilm logo is definitely from the '93-telecine.

none said:

One sign of recompsitioning is the white streak just below the bottom most edge of Vader's TIE.  In the GOUT there's a space between the black wing and the white streak.  (but it could be they've painted in a bit more of the wings, as the left bottom Vader TIE wing edge is pointer in GOUT)  In 2004 and DeEd the white streak seems to go under the TIE wing.  But most of the edge relationships seem the same, even the star locations.  Otherwise this seems to be part of the color debate.  Will look at it in motion.

What you describe is most likely caused by the DVNR, the same frame on the Special Collection LD:

I would say this one is a transfer issue as opposed to deliberate change, these color oddities, mostly on opticals, exist between transfers of the unaltered films as well. How they happen is a little mystery to me, especially on the older video transfers as you cannot just get the correct color back by adjusting the timing. A green TIE laser can suddenly be either completely yellow, pink or blue in one scene where everything else in that frame is normal and accurate, the same can also be seen with explosions, graphics on screens, lightpanels etc. But it's of course easier to determine what is a color glitch on the unaltered films compared to what is seen on the 2004/11 versions.

Baronlando said:

THX1138 is actually the worst, most blatant example of revisionist history for any movie I've ever seen, it's comical how actively misleading the presentation is.

Yeah, the accompanying documentary is Lucas revisionism at its finest. This is the only making of info I know about:  http://www.awn.com/articles/people/back-future-ithx-1138i/page/1%2C1 

The Academy Awards and nominations has actually been used on the cover on several video releases of both Star Wars and American Graffiti in the past, I don't think it has ever been on any SE product of SW though.

I'm curious to know if Lucas now completely owns his earlier films just like he now owns the original Star Wars. Maybe the copyrights on those covers tells us something...

We all remember the old story when the press asked Lucas in 2004 why he didn’t just release the original films alongside the Special Editions:

“The special edition, that’s the one I wanted out there,”

“The other movie, it’s on VHS, if anybody wants it… to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore. It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be.”

So were is this completed film, has anyone seen it yet? He's at least sorry that we fell in love with a "half completed film." There's no riddle that hate surrounds this mans actions, ever since that statement he has continually provoked old fans of his and film enthusiasts. It's great that the NYTimes article paints us as ungrateful childs and enemies, and totally miss the point.

I think what zombie pointed out is one of the main issues we're not taken seriously, those who continue to buy every new product and go and see them multiple times and then endlessly bitch about it. The issue is that the original films aren't restored, not that Vader screams Nooooo in the latest edit of Jedi. But I guess it's also more complicated than that, as it is the only product available in modern format, and not everyone has the disinterest or power to stay away from it. It kind of goes hand in hand.

As Mike.O said, this Lucas' insanity is not only about SW, THX 1138 is more severily altered than any Star Wars film. The original theatrical cuts and 1978 re-releases of THX 1138 and American Graffiti are suppressed. This clearly displays a man that is totally hell-bent on gettin rid of all the original work of his and at the same time he is on the board of directors for The Film Foundation.

What was the pic in post 1084?

Sorry, but I have no idea. Not even sure if it's supposed to fit any context of the scene, if I recall correctly, this is just heard in off-screen-communication as we see some individual filing a report. The line should probably be cut off -The android, the hung-over writing-- or with an ellipsis, I know what scene you're talking about but I cannot check at the moment. How did the official translation treat it?

hung-over or hung over - Suffering from a hangover.

The writing must be shaky :)

You're welcome, Baronlando. :) Unfortunately my capture of it is quite crude; the recorder captured it with a too low gamma, and I must admit that I did a quite lousy job when I set the contrast, combine that with the already wildly inconsistent contrast of the LD itself and you get a quite murky transfer. Don't know if it's something that can be partly corrected when playing with your TV-settings.

It's actually the above reasons that makes this transfer to look oversaturated and yellow, when corrected it's easier to see that it's mostly red/pink - shifted instead.

frank678 said:

I was wondering if the following Dark Jedi Preservation which seems to have different color qualities would yield a different (maybe better?) set of results from GOUT? 

It's a different source so different results, yes. Better results, maybe if you would work with the actual LD instead of an old preservation of it.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Have you happened to listen to the mono track for any dialog or effect differences? 

As far as I know there should not be any differences in terms of content between the 70mm and 35mm audio tracks, other than the opening theme, which apparently was tracked from Empire in the 70mm. The mono track on this is most likely a fold-down of the 35mm Dolby Stereo. Only Star Wars were given an exclusive mono mix.

Video Collector said:

Is there any reason to believe this 16mm copy differs in any way from what was released theatrically in 1983. (Placement of subtitles, for instance?)

Because, cropping aside, this would be the best version to call a "Theater Performance Edition", subplanting the bootleg versions None and I have archived.

The subtitle and its placement looks exactly like the theatrical subs to me, great reference material for those trying to recreate them in various edits.

EDIT: Going by those screenshots posted by adywan it sure looks like it's better than just being good reference material for subs. My comment sounded patronizing.

msycamore said:

Asaki said:

Yeah, but as I said before, the sharpness in the SWE feels very artificial to me.

I guess you mean the JSC? the Technidisc pressing was a SWE release.

Asaki said:

Yeah, I meant JSC.

The transfers both have their strength and weakness but what I meant was that there's simply no comparison between my murky capture and Arnie.d's, and I think Chew can make something really nice out of this. You can expect at least a contrast and gamma corrected version of my Technidisc capture, the lousy DVD recorder I used, captured it much too dark, making no justice to how the real LD look.

A preservation project of the original films without DVNR-artifacts should always be encouraged IMO, I would in fact be interested in these even if the trilogy was beautifully restored tomorrow, but that's me.

none, thanks for posting! love these vintage interviews. Think I've seen them before but not in this good quality. :)

Awesome, the legendary SW-model maker himself, thanks for sharing the info! :)

Two behind the scenes pictures of the flipper that was filmed.