Nice work, Ady. Man, I'm excited.
TheTome said:Octorox said:Sojourn said:ThrowgnCpr said:well, how would ice react when put into contact with something as hot as a lightsaber? I think some ice falling would help, but I am sure some would also turn to a gas, and this could create a little cloud.
While there's some debate about this (especially with some more recent EU stuff), lightsabers didn't originally give off heat. For example, in Shadows of the Empire (which while EU, was a media campaign by Lucas set between ESB and ROTJ), when Luke is building his lightsaber, and he tests it for the first time, he holds the blade right next to his hand to see if it gives off any heat, stating that if it did, there would be something wrong with it. At the same time, lightsabers have been seen to make burn marks when cutting into things, melting the metal of blast doors in TPM, etc. They only sometimes cause steam/smoke when coming in contact with flesh (and therefore moisture). As you can see, accounts are inconsistent, but there's no definite proof from the films that a lightsaber generates heat, or that when coming into contact with moisture, that it would create steam (the way a red-hot piece of metal would, for example). One could even argue (and some SW books have) that a lightsaber would actually short out when coming into contact with water, since it's an energy beam, not a physical object.
Also, on the topic of radio drama dialogue: I really liked what ady did with the Biggs line in ANH:R, but as with everything else in this edit, we should be cautious about adding stuff just for the sake of adding it, or because we can. For example, while adding that line from the beginning of the duel might make it more "complete", it doesn't necessarily work from a character/story perspective, at least not for me. That moment is such a wonderfully ominous one, with Vader appearing at the top of the stairs, completely in control of the situation. Luke giving a snappy, bordering-on-flippant response undermines the emotional impact of the scene, which is rooted in the fear that Vader instills. Anyway, those are just my thoughts -- what do you think?
Take care,
Sojourn
The 2D Clone Wars shows a lightsaber actually boiling the water around it underwater but again that isn't canon.
True, but I'd say that Episode I has some much more definite proof that even if there is no heat in the air around them (eg: Shadows) then there is definitely heat in them. Anyone remember the scene where Qui-Gon sticks his lightsaber in the blast door and the door starts to turn molten? That seems like enough proof to me, and very canon.
I seem to recall someone saying at Lucasfilm that during a rainy battle scene you would see rain drops sizzle on the lightsaber blade..... It never happened in ep. 2 like it was supposed to, but did wind up on the Clone Wars series. So in a way it was ALMOST canon.
Thanks satanika... I'll see what I can do with that.
It would be interesting to see Anakin witness something like a Jedi executing a clone because it is an abomination... That could cause a rift inside someone...
I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I'll try to chill out in the future.
Jaiman Tuckuh, that was probably one of the most informative responses I've received on this, and I thank you.
I already knew how to separate the channels, but it never occurred to me that the dialogue could overpower the music.... Makes a lot of sense. I appreciate your patience in typing all that out.
Again, I'm sorry to any I bothered with this.
Oh c'mon... No one can help?
Wow... No takers?
Has anyone been successful in removing music from a SW film, and adding new music?
I've heard from so many that this seems to be impossible... I'm hoping someone has found success...And if so, PLEASE SHOW ME STEP BY STEP! Thanks.
I swear Ox should have been a thought to be dead Abner Ravenwood, and they for sure should have used more points from Darabonts script... Did anyone read that? There were some dumb moments, but some really amazing moments too. I actually think they would have had a good movie if they did more of a hybrid of the two scripts.
WheresBlackhawk said:The one Clone Wars episode I enjoyed was "Trespass." I mentioned it earlier. I thought it showed TRUE jedi in character for the first time.
Which one was that? Another one I forgot I guess. =)
What did everyone think about using Anakin's ship from the Clone Wars series?
I'm personally looking forward to the Taun Taun action figure complete with gutted belly!
TMBTM said:One thing that is in the OT and not in the PT is a ship that is almost like a character that we love. I'm not saying to use the Falcon in the NPT but to have a cool ship that plays a big part in all the episodes would be nice.
The one thing the Clone Wars Animated series has done, is the great ship that Anakin flies around in. Maybe that ship could be duplicated for this idea. Maybe this ship begins as the spice freighter becomes the iconic ship this trilogy. Just an idea.
Having said that, The Clone Wars series makes me want to cry it's so bad. Every episode has been ver forgettable...Except for the fact that they overuse JarJar.
plastique45 said:Octorox said:adywan said:i just realised that it is the HG-20 and not the 10 model that i tested out. the 10 doesn't film in 1920x1080p but 1440x1080 instead. i just rang up the shop that i tested it at and although their website lists the 10 model they assure me that its the 20 and they no longer stock the 10.
This is the lowest price i've been able to find for the Uk version
http://www.camerabox.co.uk/product.asp?ProductID=6388&gclid=CLGb6ZSf4ZgCFQHHGgodIGfYdQ
Its just over £100 more in the shop i tested it at but i'm still a couple of hundred quid off getting this baby.
I've been checking out some of the HD videos shot with this camera on youtube. This is definitely the camera to get.
Here's a review that might be helpful
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Vixia-HG20-Camcorder-Review-35510/Performance.htm
And I still have to recommend the tape-based HV30 of the hard drive based HG20. Hard Drives are a hassle to work with. Of you can even get the AVCHD footage into your editor render times will be excruciating. HDV is much more time tested. Also 1440x1080 vs. 1920x1080 doesn't really make much of a difference. One is anamorphic and one isn't. 24p/25p is important though
Anamorphism has nothing to do with this. 1440X1080 vs 1920x1080 is a case of pixel aspect ratio. (1.33:1 in the case of HDV).
Aside from the xDcam EX PMW-EX1 and EX3, few low end (under $50,000) camcorder offers true 1920x1080 pixel resolution. Even HDCAM (Not HDCAM SR, but the lower end ones) use 1440X1080. To understand it without going into highly technical terms, these cameras use rectangular pixels for their horizontal resolution so they have 1440 of them instead of 1920 of them. The sensors are then shifted by a fraction of a pixel in relation to each other to achieve a higher resolution. If you transfer it to a high end production codec such as Apple ProRES-422 or Avid Dnx at 1920X1080 they will be exactly the same size, just use a more, smaller pixels to fill in the frame horizontally.
Again, please understand that this is not the camera's resolution, but the codec's image playback size. Most cameras have much less resolving power than 1440X1080 (for example the native resolution of Panasonic HVX200 imaging CCD's is 960x540 while the Sony xDcam EX PMW-EX1 is 1920x1080. Yet on paper, they are both advertised as "1080p" capable.
This is true.
Then this would work best: http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials/frame_rate_converter/
I know Ady has After Effects, and this shows you how to convert to any framerate... Even includes aa free preset. If anyone wants to learn After Effects; you should drop what you're doing and go see that site...Tons of FREE info. He has software available and you'll notice it's not nearly has expensive as Magic Bullet, or other third party programs. Awesome stuff.
There is also this option... http://dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm
If you were to find an HD cam cheaper that doesn't have 24p or 25p.... This could help you in huge ways.
Ok, thanks guys. Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread.
Have a question.... Would everyone prefer me to do the Animated (A.K.A. storybook edition) to all six movies and not the Redemption trilogy I'm working on?
And yes; it's still in the works.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Redemption-Trilogy/topic/10028/page/3/
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ChainsawAsh said:Octorox said:TMBTM said:If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.
Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.
You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...
You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.
I really don't understand this mentality at all. Star Wars is CLEARLY sci-fi. Not necessarily "Star Trek" sci-fi where every minute detail has to be explained in a scientific way - THAT'S the difference.
Carbon freezing? That's not sci-fi? That's not an element of plot? Hyperspace? Huge space stations that can destroy planets?
I agree that Star Wars is a fantasy/adventure story in space, but to say that it's not sci-fi is kind of narrow-minded. I'd describe it as a sci-fi fantasy, where certain things are explained away by the "fantasy" aspect and others the "sci-fi" aspect, as opposed to other sci-fi stories were everything is explained by it being "sci-fi" (Blade Runner, Alien, Dune, Star Trek ... )
Yup.
Octorox said:TMBTM said:If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.
Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.
You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...
You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.
I have to disagree.... It's clearly a mix of Sci-fi/fantasy. It could easily fit into either genre. Regardless, none of us would probably be even discussing clones if the term "The Clone Wars" had never been spoken. When i saw A New Hope the first time, I had an epic idea of what that looked like... And i'm sorry, you can't get around the sci-fi aspects when dealing with a clone war.... Just my opinion though.
I agree, that cloning would be against the force.... which in my opinion is why they wind up insane. Almost as if because they are abominations they are rejected by the force. But then it depends on how you approach the force... Is the Force like God, and Sith the Devil, or is the Force one entity with dark and light sides... If you play the God/Devil angle, then that explains why an abomination could receive power... and yes I know the OT leans more towards a light/darkside force, but what if that's simply different opinions within the faith? Obviously I'm being more complicated than the film should be, but the ideas could be there in a more simplified way.
It would be very interesting to see clones that come out fine, and a few that didn't quite come out right... I would love to see a few lunatics running around... You could even kinda do a SW version of Sylar from Heroes where he kinda goes off and does his own crazy rogue thing. Wow...Just had a thought......
What if Anakin has a clone made of him, and it's a known thing at one point in the story... and one of the two becomes vader but you ASSUME it's the crazy lunatic clone, when in reality it's the real Anakin.... But, that's only really a good idea if it's conveyed in ROTJ as well... But maybe there is something that could be done there.
Oh but please don't name him Stu.... Deak works, and it's from SW that never happend.
1) Stu is a red herring. We need to make it look like he is the killer, but me must also make sure that Anakin could be it (on a lesser scale),too. When the Darth tells Obiwan about his student being a Sith, HE MEANS ANAKIN, but we want Obiwan and the audience to think he means Stu. Stu is never actually a Sith, he is a fail jedi masquerading as a real one, thus he should still have a blue lightsaber. Conveniently, some of the murders should be people opposed to things that Palpatine is trying to achieve (which will still be explained as clones).
2) Palpatine must NEVER come across as sinister. He should seem to be desperately trying to save the republic, but show what could this poor, weak, elderly man actually do. That’s how he gets these Jedi that feel confined by the jedi code to become sith (it will be explained in EP3).
This could work....