mrbenja0618

Darth Chronus said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Ok, back on topic.... So can we really get the Tantive IV on Dagobah in a convincing way?

Yoda's landing on Dagobah (a deleted scene from ROTS) can be used, though it can be tweaked and the Tantive IV can then be inserted into the shot.

Yeah, I can see how it might work... And I've seen some mock videos, but nothing yet that convinced me that it could be done well. I just want to see it. =)   If I had time, i'd try it myself, but I don't at the moment.

Ok, back on topic.... So can we really get the Tantive IV on Dagobah in a convincing way?

I can see how he may look stupid, but this is where I might actually think it was ok. Simply based on he and Yoda's conversation later. He didn't think it was erased from the archives because he believed it to be impossible. And it may not have been so much that Obi-wan didn't think of it, but that Yoda wanted to give one of younglings a stab at real jedi investigation work. But Obi-wan to me doesn't seriously consider the erasing of the archives until Yoda explains to him that only a Jedi could have done that. Maybe that information wasn't available to Obi-wan yet... Anyway, maybe a stretch, but I can rationalize it. Wish I could the rest of the movie!

Anytime you have a line like "something familiar" in a movie, you automatically wonder, what's this person's connection... In this case, what's Luke's connection to this place. You don't just put something like that in a movie without it adding to something, and that something should have been in the prequels. That IMO was the point of the prequels... To answer all the questions we had... Well, that question was NEVER answered. Sorry, Lucas screwed up. No other explanation. Or he's just a jerk... That could be it too.

Timstuff said:

I heard that Magnoliafan was planning on having a "cameo" by Neeson at the end of his ROTS edit, but unfortunately I'm not sure if it's actually coming out. It seemed like a pretty solid concept though-- place a voice-over from one of Neeson's other films in there somewhere, and place a ghostly shot of him at the end, when Yoda says "someone from your past has returned from the beyond" and remove the stuff about giving Obi-Wan meditation exercises to practice to communicate with him (since Obi-Wan can already see Qui-Gon with his own eyes, and that line didn't make sense anyway since Luke could see Obi-Wan with almost no training).

I would be interested in seeing that.

Darth Venal said:

Mrbenja0618:

Man, why did they kill him off? Would that not been amazing dramatic moment. If Qui-gon left the republic, what would that do to Obi-wan's mind! Dang you, Lucas! Wasted opportunity!

Well, Lucas is lucky he did kill off Qui-Gon, because there is no way Liam Neeson would have come back. He was pretty damn vocal about how much he hated the way Lucas made The Phantom Menace and that's why he declined to appear as Qui-Gon's ghost and we ended up with the Force ghost thing being slipped in so inadequately at the end of Episode III.

This is true... Just dreaming about what could have been.... But if Lucas had done his job right, OF COURSE Liam Neeson would have come back... Oh well...

TV's Frink said:

Timstuff said:

I really like the idea that Dooku isn't really evil-- he's an idealist who sees the corruption in the Republic, and is trying to do something about it. One question though: would the connection between him and Sideous be removed completely, as in the scene where he meets up with Sideous at the end is gone? I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it would show that Dooku is playing both sides, which keeps his true motives a bit more ambiguous. However, on the other hand, if he really is an idealist it's possible that he under no circumstances would lower himself to working with a Sith, even if he's going behind Sideous' back. I'm not really sure which way it should go, but also I did like that there was some foreshadowing to the Death Star in Episode 2 (though I do feel like showing its construction in ROTS was unnecessary and chronologically sloppy).

Have you watched JasonN's edits? He completely cut Dooku's relationship with Sidious, including that scene at the end of AOTC.

 

I saw JasonN's edits, but I don't remember... Did he remove the Dooku scene with the death star plans?

Timstuff said:

True, and it would also bring some more weight to Anakin's feelings that he shouldn't have killed Dooku. I mean, if he was a Sith there's really not much way around it-- Sith = bad, and Jedi need to fight them. If Dooku is a rogue Jedi though, then it does bring more weight to Anakin's decision to kill him-- like, was Dooku really wrong for joining the seperatists, or was he simply following his Jedi beliefs in a way the others disagreed with? Since he had a red lightsaber in the movies it pretty much removed any moral ambiguity from his character, but giving him a blue or green saber would restore it.

And I can't help but wonder if Qui-gon wouldn't have left the republic like Dooku said... Man, why did they kill him off? Would that not been amazing dramatic moment. If Qui-gon left the republic, what would that do to Obi-wan's mind! Dang you, Lucas! Wasted opportunity!

Timstuff said:

True, and it would also bring some more weight to Anakin's feelings that he shouldn't have killed Dooku. I mean, if he was a Sith there's really not much way around it-- Sith = bad, and Jedi need to fight them. If Dooku is a rogue Jedi though, then it does bring more weight to Anakin's decision to kill him-- like, was Dooku really wrong for joining the seperatists, or was he simply following his Jedi beliefs in a way the others disagreed with? Since he had a red lightsaber in the movies it pretty much removed any moral ambiguity from his character, but giving him a blue or green saber would restore it.

I agree... The prequels lacked any serious dramatic weight, and by changing this one little aspect it brings a good bit of weight back to the story... Things aren't always black and white.

Timstuff said:

I really liked Magnoliafan's idea of changing Dooku's lightsaber color to keep it a secret that he's a Sith until the end. For the audience, he should come across as being a rogue Jedi / political idealist until Sideous shows up later, so his red saber should not come into play until Episode 3.

I don't think Dooku should ever be a sith lord.... Keep him as a rogue jedi throughout. Much more interesting and not as typical. I mean he does flat out tell Obi-wan that the Senate is being controlled by a sith lord. Kinda dumb to draw attention to that fact if he is a sith lord himself. Makes much more sense that he isn't, and that he leaves the republic because he knows where it's headed... Gives you this OH CRAP moment when you realize that they were fighting the good guys so to speak.

DF Shadow said:

Tikigod said:

I say you should let Vaderios see the work print too!

His input could be very helpful thanks to his artistic skills and photoshop knowledge.

That is, if he would have time or want that responsibility of course.

 

 

^^ That sounds like a good idea. Makes sense too.

 

Of course the final decision would be up to AdY for that.

 

Congratz to the winners!

 

 

 

I think that's a good idea as well. His mockups have always been inspiring.

the hand is connected to arm.... Am I correct? =/

About the grievous/vader idea..... I like the idea... Just not sure if it's possible. We would have to figure out a new way of him being defeated without him exploding as he has currently in ROTS.

vaderios said:

fishmanlee said:

remember : Radical

I didnt see you giving any ways or ideas to make this work.

Now you remember : Contribution

 

-Angel

hehe.

As usual... Amazing work. =)  So who wants to take a stab at this shot in motion?!? =)

I think it would help... If possible. And it may be. If we could find a good matte of the Ewok village we might be able to show leia and Wicket going towards it... Maybe fade into the shot as if time has passed.

bkev said:

As much as I agree with everyone else, I must admit.  Hmm, red throne room... that wouldn't look too bad actually.

Looked like a bad white balance to me.

He's screwing around and loving every minute that someone spends asking authentic questions about his "real" edit.

SilverKey said:

Vaderios, I believe that particular shot is from the AOTC deleted where Obi-Wan has Jango Fett's dart analysed by analysis droids. It was the first special effects scene finished but also the first scene to get cut :P

I agree with Ithilgore, the special efffects of TPM have aged the best. There are some really awful effects in AOTC, but I think part of that is because the shot the film digitally. Everything in AOTC looks too clean and fake. Seems they had that all worked out in ROTS, I think ROTS has great effects. The only thing I think looks truly bad is the Obi-Wan vs Grievous duel. The composition is bad, but the inconsistant backgrounds make it even worse.

It agree that it holds up, and most likely because it was shot on film... the grain, the softer picture... It tends to give it a more organic look. But there is no way that this couldn't be simulated in a fan edit. That's really the easy part IMHO.

Looking good as always. Oh, and I did figure out how to do this in AE... lol   Just that it would take YEARS to do a whole movie that way. =)   Not saying i wouldn't though.

I think those look great. Here is where I need help. I need to figure out how you did that in Photoshop, so that perhaps I can figure out how to duplicate it in AE... You really need to give us a tutorial Vaderios... Great mockups as usual!

vaderios said:

mrbenja0618 said:

I recently re-rotoscoped a lightsaber on one of the prequel films and you would be amazed at how many times they missed.

Oh! Id like you point them out please

 

-Angel

 

I'd have to go through it again, but the ones I ran into were from TPM's last duel.

vaderios said:

Good news and one more lightsaber glitch :) They missed a spot of the rod.

ya....!

-Angel

I recently re-rotoscoped a lightsaber on one of the prequel films and you would be amazed at how many times they missed.

EyeShotFirst said:

ben_danger said:

i havent really followed this thread much since its conception, so i apologise in advance if i am suggesting something that has already been mentioned!:P

the whole idea of creating an animated movie is great, but the amount of work is incredible, perhaps smaller projects would be more achievable?

would people be interested in (for now) considering some smaller 10 minute 'interquels' for episodes? like the original clone wars cartoon, or 'the faithful wookie' from the holiday special?

I was thinking that doing like that would work better. Kind of a Tune in next week. When each movie is finished then it could be combined into the full movie.

 

I feel that would most likely happen regardless.... One piece at a time. =)

Bingowings said:

It sounds mundane provincial and domestic (no grand political schemes or adventurous ambitions from Beru which is possibly why Owen loves her), therefore A) nice background info, we learn a bit more about the sort of woman who will raise Luke and B) it's adds a bit of grounding realism to a film with arena monsters and battledroids.

Or it's similar to...

ANAKIN: I hate sand.