mrbenja0618

Darth Venal said:

TV's Frink:

"Certainly it could work better than too many words, which is what we got."

That's what I was saying. I didn't actually say no words at all, although that or a substantial reduction can only be an improvement if done correctly.

Don't disagree with that at all.. I'm actually tinkering with AOTC at the moment. And the moment in the field where she looks down, was actually some of the best acting I've seen out of her in the prequel trilogy. I honestly didn't have a problem with the conversation they had in the scene either... I did cut the line, "I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator."  Sheesh.

Well, I wouldn't say no dialogue at all. You need to convey a few things with words.

Less dialogue, the stronger it becomes. It's true. It's been proven by the phantom editor and several others who have edited AOTC

Darth Venal said:

We can make the romance work more by CUTTING two-thirds of it out. Really.

I agree with that to an extent. Removing all wanna-be shakespear lines helps a great deal....And any line dealing with sand, and how soft naboo is... Oh and tap dancing on Naboo cows.... Ugh....

Bingowings said:

Not bad, he looks enough like him to get the idea across and he is a fun actor who could have given the role the necessary coldness.

Nobody seems to care that Ewan doesn't look or even sound exactly like a younger Sir Alec.

If they were serious about putting Tarkin in the prequels they should of written a role for him and hired someone like Nighy who could have played him without OTT make-up.

I actually thought he was nailing Alec. Ewan's performance in all the movies is honestly why I continued through the entire trilogy. Which brings me to another point... What an amazing cast. I mean really. That was one thing that wasn't lacking... However, if this had been the first time I had seen some of these people act, I would have thought they were horrible actors. Was George that horrible of a director. I don't want to hear "It's because they had to act to green screen." Sky Captain while not perfect, still had great acting despite the fact that it was almost entirely CGI... So, what was his problem here?

You should make some RS links for that so we can have the source.

TheBoost said:

mrbenja0618 said:

TheBoost said:

 But if that's the case, why was Vader apparently surprised when Obi vanished in "Star Wars"?

Because that's the first time he's personally seen it. Think about it. Who vanished before his eyes?

 But dont you suppose that if it was a common occurance, in Annikin;s 13+ years as a Jedi, he would have heard or learned that Jedi vanish when they die.

Only IF it was common. However, nothing I'm saying is canon. It's never been explained, just saying how I can rationalize the idea. And the way I do that is see how the other Jedi deaths were different from the ones who vanished.

Maybe it wasn't common. Maybe seeing the spirit of a Jedi wasn't common either. What if, Yoda's last lesson to Obiwan was how to not only talk amongst the dead, but how to prepare for death.

Ric Olie said:

mrbenja0618 said:

TheBoost said:

But if that's the case, why was Vader apparently surprised when Obi vanished in "Star Wars"?

Because that's the first time he's personally seen it. Think about it. Who vanished before his eyes?

I vanished before his eyes.  Sure, he was 10, but I was with him in TPM, and then....where did I go?

You know, in the 80's you could have found a great job narrating movie based records for kids. =)

TheBoost said:

mrbenja0618 said:

My reasoning for vanishing is that they are prepared for death.... Qui-Gon wasn't prepared... Didn't see his death coming..... Obi wan did... Let Vader take him out..... Yoda did.... He vanished..... Vader didn't....and that's complicated but not so much. You can easily say that he only intended to save his son, and didn't think he would wind up dying himself.

 But if that's the case, why was Vader apparently surprised when Obi vanished in "Star Wars"?

Because that's the first time he's personally seen it. Think about it. Who vanished before his eyes?

My reasoning for vanishing is that they are prepared for death.... Qui-Gon wasn't prepared... Didn't see his death coming..... Obi wan did... Let Vader take him out..... Yoda did.... He vanished..... Vader didn't....and that's complicated but not so much. You can easily say that he only intended to save his son, and didn't think he would wind up dying himself.

shanerjedi said:

I really like the idea of making Dooku a worthy successor to Qui-Gon in the "maverick-jedi" field.

 

Don't make him a sith. make him a jedi dude who's figured crap out about the sith in the republic, he kidnaps the chancellor/sidious hoping to end the war and expose him, and then off with his head.

i always felt it should be that way... It actually makes a lot more sense than him siding with palpatine... Why would he tell Obiwan that the senate is being controlled.... Seriously, Lucas DID NOT think... ugh

I never thought losing Jar-Jar was the solution... Making him a stronger character is the solution in my opinion. When I saw the movie the first time, and I saw Jar-Jar the first time, I was in awe.... He was great visually......Then he spoke...

I'm all for a redub if it can be done well. I'm for alien languages if it can be done well. For my own interests I just simply replaced english for spanish. I don't speak spanish well, but I thought Jar-jar didn't speak english well, and in it's own way would have to be garbled spanish.. So i settled with that. But ideally, a redub would be amazing... Again, if it could be done well.

Also, on the voting in the senate is stupid issue... I actually get that. I mean think about it... Palpatine could not motion that he be elected chancellor, and he also couldn't make a vote of no confidence personally... it looks too suspicious. But once the motions were made in any of the senate scenes, all palpatine had to do was use his sith powers to lean the senate towards those motions. And he apparently was powerful enough because Dooku spells out that the senate is being controlled by a sith lord... So, while I do think Lucas made some huge mistakes, I don't believe this is one of them. Just my 10 cents.

jar jar has already been successfully removed from that scene in countless edits. You just simply cut into Palpatine making the announcement. Who cares of made the motion, the announcement was what was important.

I also re-edited TPM for myself..... Gungans and Neimodians were speaking spanish in mine, and while I can suspend belief and pretend spanish is an alien language, it would be much cooler if it was english and better accents... I thought the Neimodians were equally as annoying.

I'd be willing to give you the new dialogue if you want new ideas for lines.... I'd have to dig up the DVD i burned.

I would love to make Grievous the new Maul... Those eyes would have to change, however.

brash_stryker said:

tehwallaby said:

Not the kid, but full costumed Boba. Just with shiny armour, to show that in the past 20-odd years, Boba Fett has beaten up his armour.

Well in that case, why not make the job easier and just use the existing shiny armoured Mandalorian?

mrbenja0618 said:

But the meeting between Jango and and Obi-wan was an interesting scene actually. I loved the tense feeling it gave off... To show him in full armor and no reveal would mean to cut that scene. Do you not think it will be strange that they start fighting without the prior scene? Not knocking you, just curious how you plan to remedy it. I'm all for Jango being Boba if it can be done well.

I've always thought that scene was pointless, even if it didn't suck in all other ways (with the kid, and the unmasked bounty hunter with zero mystery). We don't learn anything new in that scene. Obi Wan just has a chat with him about stuff we already know.

I'm hoping to just redub the Kaminoans to say that the bounty hunter is about to leave, and that his DNA has been an excellent candidate for further improvements to the army (not have him be the sole template for the clones) then have Obi Wan contact Mace and Yoda, and then have him go make the arrest.

I see your point. I hope you can pull it off.

But the meeting between Jango and and Obi-wan was an interesting scene actually. I loved the tense feeling it gave off... To show him in full armor and no reveal would mean to cut that scene. Do you not think it will be strange that they start fighting without the prior scene? Not knocking you, just curious how you plan to remedy it. I'm all for Jango being Boba if it can be done well.

brash_stryker said:

Darth Venal said:

 

And exactly how would they miss out?

Watch them in production order, which is arguably the correct order anyway because of the way the stories have been written.

 

Well the fact of the matter is, new viewers are going to watch them in chronological order. That's just how numbering films works.

This is a fan edit forum. And a thread for radical changes. If you're fine with small changes then why are you here?

 

True... The simple thing to do in my opinion. (not the most ideal IMHO) is to simply remove the numbers from teh crawls, and let the viewer choose what order... whether classic or prequel. OR renumber them 1 through 6 starting with A New Hope and then when we get to the prequel films do this...... When the A long time ago comes up have a sound byte from obi-wan that can relate to TPM... Maybe "The Jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic" and then just go to the movie.... Do the same for the last two, making the quote more personal to the characters... That would be easiest thing to do... But not the most interesting.

brash_stryker said:

Not desecrating *my* childhood as such, but making so that the next generation who watches the films (in chronological order) will miss out on the impact we had.

Exactly. The only edit that would work in this respect is what ID and TJ were doing with the Reborn trilogy.

The-Lion said:

brash_stryker said:

The Skywalker name and Anakin/Vader are the biggest issues.

 

I really don't get why the Skywalker name is such a big problem? If you cut the  rescue of Anakin and the Born of Vader you'll know that Anakin is the father or some kind of family of Luke. But you don't know Vader IS Anakin. So that's still a surprise in Ep V you'll remember the dying Anakin on Mustafar who must have survived it's fatal wounds.

I've pretty much decided based on available footage, concealing the identity of Vader is not possible. I just don't see it.

So, am I understanding you correctly... Is Jango now Boba Fett in your edit and he survives the movie?

haraldo23 said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Aren't these all Vaderios' work?

 

Hey! :D Easy now there! I didn't say they were mine.

I'm just saying that those are really great ideas right there!

No no.. That post must have been misleading. Wasn't pointing fingers. Just thought it was his work, and was just curious. You're ok! =) Sorry about that.

Aren't these all Vaderios' work?

brash_stryker said:

I really want the Tantive to be on Dagobah when Padme gives birth, but I don't want it to be obvious to first time watchers that that's what she's doing. Maybe I'm asking for a lot, but I'm hoping for a solution where it'll be clear to those who know about Luke and Leia being Vader's kid, but not to first time viewers.

If we can not see the birth but instead hear Padme's screams, and then cobble together a line like "they should be seperated" then I think it could work.

For first time viewers, "they" would mean Anakin and Padme. For those who knew she gave birth, it would be clear what "they" meant.

 

Edit: Just checked. Yoda says "Split up, they should be". I don't think this is ambiguous enough as it is to make new audiences think it refers to Anakin and Padme, but it's something to work with.

Just a rough idea:

Cut to outside the Tantive on the surface of Dagobah.
Padme screaming.
Padme: Obi Wan, there is still good in him. etc
Yoda: Split up they should be. Hidden. Safe.
Senator Organa: We will take her. (or something similiar)
Wipe to next scene.

All those the pieces of dialogue would work for what you're suggesting....However, be careful, as many of these scenes have different music cues in the background.. That's the only thing I can think of that would make the cutting obvious. I don't have the movie in front of me, so I don't recall what cues are playing, if any.... But the prequels are music heavy so the odds are there is music in the background.

Hmmm....Yeah... Landings a plenty in the prequels.... Well, i'll try this at some point, but it will be some time. Just too many coals in the fire at the moment.