MalaStrana#2

Darth Caliban said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

timdiggerm said:

How about the latest episode?

Watched it now: it’s a bit better, using the same formula as the first arc, meaning being bored to death for 2 episodes and having some reward for the last one. Action is a bit generic and the human like Gungans are ridiculous (especially when Disney keeps pushing the “united colors of beneton” even on tribes that could not really experience mixity, but Disney is what it is nowadays…). Top Imp guy is too much of the bad guy cliché for the show to pretend to be more than a “Nolan’s kind of serious stuff for teenagers”, so I’m really not sold on it to be so layered and adult (again, it requires more than people not smilling to get this label, but I see the efforts the show provides to try to be more than pretentious pulp stories). It was a bit mediocre but not worse than the average shows on tv. Visually it’s a good job: too grey oriented but some photography work that here and there pumps up tension with “oh, it looks cool” moments (ie the Tie fighters short scene). I’ll probably keep watching to see if the second part of the season can build on something satisfying; if it doesn’t, that’s ok: I don’t have high expectations about it. The music is totally lame btw.

Sometimes when I see this show, I wonder what a really good star wars high tech thriller could have been in the hands of the great Tony Scott (who knew how to make adult movies - Spy games, Enemy of the state, Man on fire, etc. - where you can still be entertained; something Gilroy doesn’t quite know how to do).

Still way better than the Ben show for sure (the lowest point of Disney wars on tv).

Considering your use of the term “Disney Wars” and the way you seem to search for things to rant about, i’m sorry but i can’t take this post seriously.

You’ve already made up your mind about the show and nothing will ever change your opinion. As long as the franchise belongs to Disney, nothing will ever be good or good enough for you.

I would almost bet that if the show would have been made exactly like this under GL’s supervision (or without Disney being involved), you would be far more generous to the show.

I really regret that this forum is trapped in this way of running discussions : the show / movie / etc is never discussed, just assumptions about some kind of « hidden agenda » of the guy who wrote a post is discussed. Whatever I write, if it’s positive it will get unnoticed. If it’s negative, I will get the garbage whining comments of « you’re so mean it’s because you hate Disney 😭 ». Very immature and happens EACH fucking time.

But I’m not surprised when a mod (who has a deep issue of acting as an attention whore) is himself going in this kind of hunts. I thought the forum would get better with mean spirited people leaving this past couple years (unfortunately losing along actuel nice people such as Jason). Disappointing.

Well, I won’t lose more time posting in such a close minded forum. My connection to Star Wars has been severed multiple times these past decades, from disappointing choices for the SE, to very disturbing ideas for the PT, to huge embarrassment during the ST era. A few glimpses of light don’t weigh much.

Anyway. I leave you along people always satisfied with anything you watch, deriving any theory to pretend you saw some depth in Hux like vilains…

So long guys and wish you the best 🙌

timdiggerm said:

How about the latest episode?

Watched it now: it’s a bit better, using the same formula as the first arc, meaning being bored to death for 2 episodes and having some reward for the last one. Action is a bit generic and the human like Gungans are ridiculous (especially when Disney keeps pushing the “united colors of beneton” even on tribes that could not really experience mixity, but Disney is what it is nowadays…). Top Imp guy is too much of the bad guy cliché for the show to pretend to be more than a “Nolan’s kind of serious stuff for teenagers”, so I’m really not sold on it to be so layered and adult (again, it requires more than people not smilling to get this label, but I see the efforts the show provides to try to be more than pretentious pulp stories). It was a bit mediocre but not worse than the average shows on tv. Visually it’s a good job: too grey oriented but some photography work that here and there pumps up tension with “oh, it looks cool” moments (ie the Tie fighters short scene). I’ll probably keep watching to see if the second part of the season can build on something satisfying; if it doesn’t, that’s ok: I don’t have high expectations about it. The music is totally lame btw.

Sometimes when I see this show, I wonder what a really good star wars high tech thriller could have been in the hands of the great Tony Scott (who knew how to make adult movies - Spy games, Enemy of the state, Man on fire, etc. - where you can still be entertained; something Gilroy doesn’t quite know how to do).

Still way better than the Ben show for sure (the lowest point of Disney wars on tv).

Fan_edit_fan said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

Still following it: I get what this series is trying to do, I see the efforts, just too bad it’s soooooooooo slow with no emotion (and a bit of a very lackluster casting, especially Diego Luna, totally uninteresting). I thought it was going full “Bourne” but it’s now closer to “Michael Clayton”… which is kinda off topic. It seems the series will only be 24 episodes spanned over 2 seasons: they better hurry to start telling a story (and not just close ups of sad people’s faces), there isn’t much time left already.

We are watching two different shows it seems. 🤔

Not really: I just don’t find anything great about it, while you seem to enjoy a lot public servants reading files and people hiking in the highlands.

Anchorhead said:

Darth Caliban said:

Might be simply anti-disney bias that prevents the perception of everything good or great about the show for some people 😉

No doubt.

Sure…

timdiggerm said:

• The perspective of Corporate Security & ISB who, in their own ways, just want to do their jobs

I mean…

Still following it: I get what this series is trying to do, I see the efforts, just too bad it’s soooooooooo slow with no emotion (and a bit of a very lackluster casting, especially Diego Luna, totally uninteresting). I thought it was going full “Bourne” but it’s now closer to “Michael Clayton”… which is kinda off topic. It seems the series will only be 24 episodes spanned over 2 seasons: they better hurry to start telling a story (and not just close ups of sad people’s faces), there isn’t much time left already.

“The Andor Legacy”

Fourth episode contains the perfect quote to define this tv series:

“Must everything be boring and sad?”

“The Andor Identity”

Well, watched 2 episodes so far and I’m already disappointed: it’s just a teenage show trying to appear “adult” because they removed any vibrant colors… at least it looks decent, albeit too clean for a “used space” approach, so it never feels Star Wars: it could be a far sequel to Game of Thrones. It doesn’t tell much over the full 1 hour of the first two episodes combined, which should not surprise me because it was also the case with the tidious first half of Rogue One. More surprinsing is the music: no lesson learned after the Ben show, so yet again a shitty soundtrack that could basically fit everything, hence representing nothing. And again a story mixed with flash backs that don’t have any bearing on the present day sequences. To be noted that Gilroy still doesn’t know how to create vilains without making him look ridiculous after only a couple scenes…let’s see if the third episode gets some pay off…

Bland and boring: I’ll check out the next two episodes but I’ll sure won’t keep watching if it stays that uninteresting and flat. If it ever turns into some “The Andor Supremacy”, I might watch longer.

Looing forward to watching this but I’m a bit confused by the way it’s being praised as “adult” meaning “it’s good” (same way Rogue One was being praised as such… because people were chatting in the rain with concerned eyes probably…): the original movies were not quite adult, didn’t prevent them from being awesome. The PT was definitely adult, and yet it wasn’t that great either. Anyway, I’ll check soon what they came up with, hoping it won’t bear the same issues as R1 (such a bad movie, damn).

It’s probably cheaper to produce tv series that are going to pack the Disney streaming channel content with events such as the Ben show. For them it’s a fair deal, and currrent audiences are getting used to this “movie to tv series” trend. Disney has produced 5 SW flicks for Theathers, among them only 2 got smooth productions (TFA as it was triggering some excitement, TLJ being done a bit under the radar), while 3 went to hell (R1 and its heavy reshots, Solo being reshaped with late change of directors, TROS which looks like something no one wanted to do). Issue is that the tv series themselves are now quite lackluster (Mando got its moments but Boba was a mess, Ben was a failure, Bad batch was mostly fillers driven, ad most of TCW S7 was very bad until the ROTS very good side story).

True: he’s like a watered down Luke with some fake Aladdin vibe. Disney had a hard time understanding what character to make the primary (not only with this show, also with TFA switching between Poe, then Finn, then Rey… should have been Finn all along!).

… who left to uncharted space territories in a… heartbeat !

Since no one no longer dies in SW, i would be possible for Padmé to return.

Possible flash back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk5fAvpwtKU

It looks very good: at last a Disney Wars on tv production not looking cheap ! (I don’t count TCW/Bad Batch since they heavily derived from Lucas era standards)
A few nice stuff into it as well. My only worry is that it’s a prequel to a prequel I don’t like by more or less the same team.

On a narrative perspective, we would indeed see Padmé “losing” vs Palpatine along with Anakin “losing” vs Obi-Wan. On a technical perspective, the video quality is so different it might feel jarring, unless someone remaastered the deleted scene in higher quality.

True but it would be aligned with the famous “parallel battle montage” of the Saga. Not sure it would work though with what’s available.

The duel is edited in multiple pieces: why not keeping that structure to embedded it into the intro of the movie?

Hal 9000 said:

Oh, the subtitles were very much not edited in parallel with the video and audio. It’s a huge pain in the ass, done after the edit is finished and sync-locked. It’s very “adjust by a quarter second, save, and see how it looks in VLC, repeat.”

Oh, I thought that was your new MO with the latest iterations of your edts, my bad! So you don’t use apps like subtitle workshop? This is what I used to sync your edits. Last time I tried to use it for some reason the video no longer displays, but properly set the app allows to have the video and the sync in real time, without needing to check in vlc.

https://subtitle-workshop.fr.uptodown.com/windows

Even with this tool, subtitles are very time consuming to create. A few years back I had lots of time to help with those but not anymore 😕 that’s being said Spence, if you have a log of all the cuts (meaning: “this part from Ep5 is moved at this point of Ep1, and this from Ep2 is cut, etc”) it can be a massive help to sync most of the part, then fine tune it.

cjh808 said:
Any plans of making subtitles?

I really regret that the trend launched by Hal to cut the subtitles files in parallel of the video/audio cut has not been used by the entire communauty (not sure how Hal does it lately but I think that’s why he can easily add or remove subtitles in several files for his new edits). At some point I think if the edit grows in consideration someone might create subtitles (I haven’t watched the edit - I intend one day, when it’s reached enough iterations to be perfect for all watchers 😃 - but I guess there are many cuts so by using the existing sub files it would still be a work of around 3/4 hours to resync them).

yotsuya said:

Vladius said:

henzINNIT said:

Regarding the jedi masters’ intentions in ROTJ, I had never given it much thought to be honest. I don’t think I even realised there was a debate until recently. To me it was clear that both Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted Luke to kill Vader, for several reasons:

Obi-Wan says that they have already lost when Luke says he can’t kill his own father. He then shuts down the idea of redemption when Luke suggests there is still good in Vader. This would be some really bizarre reverse psychology if Obi-Wan actually intended for Luke to somehow stop Vader peacefully. Also, this is not totally solid as it was cut, but in the ROTJ script there is more dialogue in this scene and Obi-Wan says quite explicitly that Luke is to ‘destroy’ Vader.

Yoda’s intentions are less clear in dialogue but I still get the impression that he wanted Vader to be killed. He says it was ‘unfortunate’ for Luke to find out Vader was his father, and considers the knowledge a burden. This could really only be the case if the intention was for Luke to kill Vader. If the plan was for Luke to somehow turn his father instead, knowing about him in advance would have been more of an asset than a hindrance.

Lastly, the dramatic tension of the film hinges on Luke believing in Vader’s redemption when literally no-one else would. He manages to force a resolution without resorting to killing, defying all expectations in the process. It’s bizarre to me to think his mentors secretly wanted the same thing, and they just refused to say that or worse heavily imply the opposite.

I addressed that already. He’s saying that Luke has to be willing to kill him if it comes down to it. He doesn’t intend him to stop him peacefully but we don’t know that he intends him to stop him at all. They’re sending Luke to Vader to face his fear and become a Jedi, not to kill the enemy faction’s leader and win the war.

I don’t see how that follows with the burden. It’s unfortunate and it’s a burden because it’s really harsh to find out that your father is Darth Vader regardless of what you do. It’s painful. It never even occurred to me that he would be saying that strictly in a tactical sense of how Luke is going to fight or neutralize Vader. That’s not how he delivers it.

The dramatic tension comes from a lot of things. There’s the Battle of Endor, of course. On the other side it’s mainly about Luke believing in Vader’s redemption while Vader himself doesn’t. Obi Wan and Yoda might have a pessimistic outlook on that but they’re not telling Luke not to try. They never explicitly say that Luke needs to kill Vader and not to try anything. The important part is that Luke goes to face Vader again regardless of the outcome. That’s what is holding him back from being a Jedi, which is what Yoda says.

Just look at what Obi-wan says in 2 duels with Anakin/Vader. “I will do what I must.” That is what Obi-wan expects of Luke in confronting Vader and Palpatine.

« What I must » has a curious meaning with Ben as he lets the guy he was supposed to kill defeated but alive. Ben is so sloppy when it comes to do what he must! I wonder how he ever got the rank of Master this lazy bastard.

Probably already posted: a montage of the complete fight with battle of the heroes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMnD2uYw0I

I still find it lackluster in term of settings and of cinematography (this horrible filming à la Paul Greengrass), Rebels rip off scene really has amazing job from Hayden and Ewan (fanedit idea: stabalize the last shot of Vader saying “I did” for greater impact). The only reason I might ever check any fanedit would be to see this moment again without of the dumb stuff around. The entire choregraphy is very bad and the rock stuff is ridiculous.

Btw Vader is still holding his saber so he’s not defenseless.

« No one’s ever really gone »

[yotsuya said:]
And there are several examples where Leia is obviously using the force to read minds and she could easily have seen Kenobi’s memories of her mother. She could also have seen some memories from bail as well.

It’s so obvious and yet subtle that I have no idea where it is implied she can do that.
I guess it’s thanks to Force blindness she can get memories of her mother without getting to know she has a Luke bro and that Vader is her darthy daddy 👀

The fact that Leia has memories of her mother before she died is a continuity error from the PT which is irrelevant to try to fix anyway.

yotsuya said:
I suggest you watch it again.

Don’t be so cruel.

BedeHistory731 said:

I have a good video here, by one of the only good Star Wars YouTubers:

No, the Obi-Wan Kenobi Series Doesn’t Contradict A New Hope by Star Wars Explained.

As I wrote it in another topic, if something requires to do so much thinking so it sort of fits with lots of assumptions, it then emphasizes the core issues of many prequels that closely deal with what the OT is about. Leia in ANH being excited to hear Luke say “I’m with Obi-Wan” is self contained in this very story: OWK series doesn’t add anything to what was already working wihthout even needing to think about it.

I really wish they would stop making prequel stuff, it’s damaging everything. At some point I think I’ll just consider the OT as canon, maybe adding the 2003 TCW tvseries as part of it.

I remember I read one of the original plans of the PT was to show the rise of the Empire without showing any character from the OT besides the two droids (so no: Yoda, Ben, Vader, Emperor, Boba, etc. who all come with their continuity issues). Each trilogy would have been the story of another set of characters within the grand scheme of this never ending conflict of Good v Evil. Not something shrunken down to getting to know all younger versions of known characters, even showing them as babies or lil kids.

Sigh…