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#241837
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So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241837/action/topic#241837
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Is this a joke? From everything we've been told, it is the original theatrical version. Sure, it's not a remastered anamorphic release, but it's essentially true nonetheless. It's a bad quality transfer from a laserdisc master with a possibly recreated crawl, but it's still the original.

What I mean is, original sound effects that were not tarted up (notably in the cell block sequence), blaster hits that were toned down (also notably in the same sequence). These changes were already made before 1993, I believe. Unless the film is restored to 1977 conditions in every aspect, it is not the original theatrical release. And one false advertising claim leads me to question other advertising claims.


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Well, from the slideshow we've seen on the official site, everything seems to look just like it did in 77. I personally don't know of any effects shots that were changed before 1993 (that doesn't mean there weren't any) and the only sound changes I know of are what I've learned on these boards (don't know if they were changed before '93 or not). I've personally only witnessed the horid effects and sounds of the 97 SEs.
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#241780
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So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241780/action/topic#241780
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Heheh, I bet the ads claim the bonus disc contains the original theatrical version of Star Wars. Is that also true?


Is this a joke? From everything we've been told, it is the original theatrical version. Sure, it's not a remastered anamorphic release, but it's essentially true nonetheless. It's a bad quality transfer from a laserdisc master with a possibly recreated crawl, but it's still the original.
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#241767
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So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241767/action/topic#241767
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
And I don't appreciate being called delusional, with the implication that I am a liar.

I wasn't implying a thing. Would it be better if I said you were mistaken and confused?


I know this wasn't directed at me, but I think it probably fits me best (mistaken and confused). What I saw was so long ago that I honestly don't know if it was single DVDs or if it was (more likely) the 3 disc box set. Like I said, I did a double take, picked up the box, noticed it was the '04 set, and put it back down and out of my memory. Of course, that doesn't mean no one else has seen them separate. I wouldn't put it past any retailer to sell them separately. What was LucasFilm going to do? Threaten to keep them out of any future distribution? If the '04 set sold as poorly as is being stated, I don't think they'd care that much.

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#241748
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So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241748/action/topic#241748
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
The next time I am in one of these big stores and I see them sitting on the shelf, I will take a picture for you, okay? lordjedi, Obi Jeewhyen, please feel free to do the same.


I'm actually going to head over to Best Buy during my lunch, just to see if they still have them. It's not the Best Buy I saw them at originally, but they should still have them. Unfortunately, the only camera I have is on my phone, which doesn't have any internet ability on it, so you'll just have to take my word for it if I see them or not. I might even swing by a Circuit City since they're pretty close too.

It is possible that all I saw was the different art on the 3 disc package that was released for Christmas '05. I only remember doing a doubletake because it was the 77 poster art and not the crap gold or silver box I was use to seeing. I also remember almost flipping out, thinking it was the original version, only to realize it was the '04 version repackaged. I'm still going to check the store at lunch though
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#241717
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241717/action/topic#241717
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
I think that Threepio and Artoo must remain our guides throughout the saga. It's just one more thing that Luca$h got right in '77 that he's now decided he won't maintain. The droids are ageless and their characters are unchanging - the perfect companions through a saga spanning generations of humans.

Memory wipes seem to me to be a perfectly acceptable way of maintaining the integrity of how they behave in ANH. Uncle Owen tells Luke to have it done after he reveals that they have mentioned Obi-Wan. This tells us:

(a) the procedure is standard practice.

(b) it is provided as a service, like for any other kind of machinery.

This allows us to have a little fun with the droids at their expense because, unlike your classic immortals, they are almost entirely at the mercy of their organic masters.

They could have their memories erased at the beginning of Episode I and then again when they are given to Captain Antilles. This means that the droids don't know what we know at the beginning of ANH. I don't think that this would in any way impair their role as companions for us. If we establish that the procedure is standard for droids when changing hands, then Threepio and Artoo would be quite used to it. It gives us a nice mystery as to how many owners the droids have had since being built and leaves us unsure as to just how old they really are. It might be fun to have the droids allude to their most recent owner and their experiences with him or her before their memories are erased in Episode I.

After all, what is the SW experience without Threepio and Artoo?!



Except that only Threepio had his memory wiped. Sure, R2 speaks in beeps and whistles, but there's no reason to believe the Empire doesn't have protocol droids and other means of dumping his memory. I can honestly think of no reason why they'd wipe threepio's memory and not R2's. I do agree that it seems to be standard practice whenever droids change hands. For the longest time though, there were rumors floating around the internet that Threepio and Artoo were the only droids known to have never had a memory wipe, which is why they had such interesting personalities. I still think it was just GL's way of working himself out of a hole. Threepio never remembered Tattooine even though he was activated there, so something had to be done to rectify that. In the same context, R2 either really didn't know who the Princess was (which is what I think) or he's trying to keep the secret from Luke (why?). At that point, Luke is Artoo's best hope of getting to Obi-Wan, yet he goes off on his own.

Of course, I think I just missed the entire point of your post. Are you saying the PT would have been better if both droids had their memory wiped? Now that I think I can agree with
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#241711
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So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241711/action/topic#241711
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Originally posted by: vbangle
Not to nick-pick but,
Early '05, the DVDs can be purchased seperately.
? I guess I missed that one....


And I missed both '05 releases. I had no idea they ever released them separately until I was in a Best Buy a few months ago and saw them sitting on the shelf. Of course, I don't get a weekly newspaper, so I wouldn't have seen the Christmas ad. I also don't read TFN nearly as much as I use to, so if they had it listed, I probably missed the news item there as well. Just goes to show how little Star Wars means to me anymore (I use to be on top of everything Star Wars).
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#241621
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Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241621/action/topic#241621
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Originally posted by: AJ
Also regardless and irregardless are words. Unless my grammer book in hs was lying to me.


I'd say your grammar book and your teachers were lying to you. My English teachers would regularly scold people for using that word. Check out this link at dictionary.com for more info:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irregardless&x=0&y=0

Back on topic. Something tells me we'll see them again, but I really don't care. They'll probably show up in some uber expensive huge box set, so we'll be paying $150+ just to get the originals in anamorphic widescreen. And it won't be a remastered animorphic transfer. They'll probably just scale it and release it that way. By that time though, I wonder how many people will really care about having "yet another version of Star Wars".
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#241620
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George could learn from the staff from 24
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241620/action/topic#241620
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Originally posted by: yanksno1
I love 24 and have been a fan since Day 1 Hour 1, but I'm not sure how much George could learn from the staff. They always seem to have a Jar-Jar type moment in the show at least once a season (that's understating it). Kim (and I love Elisha) anyone?


At least they left her mostly out of the last season. How bad was it when she was fighting off a mountain lion and some weird guy and she had a gun. I dreaded it anytime they went to her part of the story. I remember saying to the tv "just kill her already!". Dumb as a box of rocks!
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#241489
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Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241489/action/topic#241489
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Wow AJ, you change your mind fast. You said in another thread that everyone should buy it because it either wouldn't be released again or if enough people buy it that there's a better chance of it getting a proper transfer. So, which is it? Or was that one of those "You should all buy it, but I'm not going to"? I don't mean to flame here either, I'm genuinely curious which way you're going on this.

BTW, irregardless is not a word
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#241488
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241488/action/topic#241488
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Well, Lucas always said that if he wanted to do something different than what the EU said, he was going to do it. At that point, it would be up to the EU authors to make it work. But this guy just seems sad.

I met a guy at a party once that was kind of like this. He was an author that was trying to write prequel stories to some things he'd written himself and he said it was very difficult to do. He used that as evidence to say that Lucas must have had the whole thing planned since there were to many similarities for it to have "just worked out". His biggest example was that in the OT, R2 is almost always with Luke and in the PT, R2 is almost always with Anakin. I tried to explain how that would be quite easy to do in the prequels, but he wouldn't really have it. He was convinced that everything was planned from the beginning because otherwise, it was just to hard to make it all work. This was just after ROTS came out, but I doubt that that changed his mind. I even said "but he's not making it work!". His response was that he was and it did. He even cited 3PO and R2's actions on Tattooine in the first movie as perfect examples of how it was planned from the beginning. Of course, I think those things just happen to fit, but only after ROTS came out and 3PO's memory was erased.
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#241441
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241441/action/topic#241441
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Originally posted by: AJ
I however do not like how they killed Padme'. I always thought they should have put one of her look-a-like handmaidens in the coffen. That is what I would have done, so Padme' could've gone off with Leia.


That's what I think actually happened. She had doubles standing in for her to protect her in the first two movies, and that was a neat trick. If a double (or clone, or mannequin, or something) took her place in the grave -- well, that turns a neat trick into a thematic element carried to a meaningful and logical conclusion. It might not have been the auteur's intention, but sometimes auteur's accidentally make things more complex and interesting than they had intended.


I think this was the worst part (besides Anakin's turn) for me in the entire PT. Padme's death was a completely wasted opportunity. She could've easily died from her injuries, but it had to be "losing the will to live". WTF?! She lost the will to live when she's about to give birth?! Name one woman that wouldn't want to live for her children.

I had thought that instead of using one of her doubles, they just made it look like she died pregnant (I believe she's suppose to look pregnant). That way, Vader and the Emperor don't try to come after the twins. She could have easily survived, had her death faked, and been put into hiding, but it was just another missed opportunity. With her death faked, they could separate the twins and let Leia grow up with her a bit until she gets killed by some other means (spies?). Then Leia's memory would make more sense instead of her "Force connection".
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#241399
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any plans here for the 30th anniversary?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241399/action/topic#241399
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Depending on how many people actually end up at this, there is an alternative. Rent a large screen, a projector, and some space to use it in (hotel ballroom, wharehouse, anything like that). Then all you need is a DVD. My best man did this for my bachelor party. The screen wasn't the biggest, but it was pretty awesome to watch Star Wars on a large screen in my house.
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#241215
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The Artistic Vision (TM Luca$hFilm)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241215/action/topic#241215
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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
Being revised in the late 90's it's no wonder and after september 11th 2001 that lucas found his political footing for the new trilogy in the "new" bush adminatration. Lucas called Valorum as reference to Bill Clinton.

Is it an accident that Both Palpatine and George Bush used a situation of crisis to grab more power for the executive branch of a government?

In star wars it's the seperatists in real life it's bin ladin and al quiada.
I don't really see how these fit into the films. How is Valorum Clinton-like? If I recall correctly, Attack of the Clones was filming in summer of 2000. Bush wasn't even the president at the time.


Didn't people say similar things about racial stereotypes in TPM? The "asian accents" of the Nemodians, Jar Jar sounding like a Jamaican, and Watto being the Jew. I honestly never noticed any of it, so I'd say it's more about what people had in their own heads then anything Lucas did intentionally. Anakin's "virgin birth" was also bandied about a lot, like Lucas was trying to inject Christianity into Star Wars. Lucas' general response was "oops, I didn't see it that way at all". I honestly believe he didn't. I'm sure if he'd stepped back a bit and took an honest look at it, he might have realised what the public perception would be, but I really don't think it ever dawned on him.

The only film that could possibly resemble current events, IMHO, is ROTS. Some of the conservative talk shows I listen to were talking about it before it came out and I remember thinking that it was all in their heads. Then I went to see it. Admittedly my opinion was a little colored at that point, but I could understand what they were saying. I don't believe Lucas ever denied any of it either, so it's very possible he injected ROTS with quite a bit of current events.

Of course, as I rewatched The Two Towers the other day, I realised that current events could certainly apply to that movie as well. Knowing the history of the book and how it deliberately didn't represent the events during which it was written helped to dispel that though.
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#240966
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The Artistic Vision (TM Luca$hFilm)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240966/action/topic#240966
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Saying that Lucas stole every idea from a bunch of authors before him, while giving the previous authors a pass on what they "borrowed" is complete hogwash. Sure a lot of ideas were recycled in the O-OT, but name another story or movie after 1970 (I picked a random year, I'm sure you could go back even further) that didn't borrow ideas from someone else. There hasn't been a completely original story in some time. What makes new stories that rehash old ideas look like they're fresh is the way they're presented. Lord of the Rings is a perfect example. It wasn't the first fantasy story and it wasn't the first story about a ring. It was the first story where the quest was to destroy the ring instead of to simply find a magic ring (I'm getting this from the documentary, so it may not have really been the first). That's what made it fresh and original. The only other thing that was new was calling halflings Hobbits (which I believe Tolkien copyrighted). Everything else was a rehash of old ideas.
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#240912
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X-Wing or Y-Wing, which ship would you prefer?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240912/action/topic#240912
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: lordjedi
TIE Fighters have no shields

Ah, but they do in the O-OT. They were erased by Lucas' tinkering. Some call them garbage mattes. I always thought they were shields.


touche.

Of course, if I had the choice of any vehicle, I'd take a Super Star Destroyer. Then I'd just modify it to be operated by voice commands. Wouldn't need a crew for that
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#240911
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George could learn from the staff from 24
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240911/action/topic#240911
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Originally posted by: boris
TV series are very different from movies, you know.


Not all of them boris. Babylon 5 and X-Files are two examples of tv shows that did have a 5 year grand plan. Others, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, don't really have a "grand plan". In all cases, I don't think a tv show has ever gone back to change something they didn't like. They either make it work in future episodes or they just deal with it as a small plothole.

The only tv show I know of that may have changed an episode is the musical episode of Buffy. The original airing ran about 5-10 mins long. All subsequent airings were said to have been cut short, so if you want to see the full ep, you have to buy the DVD. I don't watch a lot of tv, but I've still never heard of a show that made a change to an episode based on the director not liking something after the fact. Once it's aired, the only real changes they make are cosmetic (someone blinking at the wrong time or something).
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#240512
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2006 OT DVD: Poll: So What are You Going to Do?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240512/action/topic#240512
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Yeah, I forgot about that one. Darth went from being a name to a title. Just like Sith (Dark Lord of the Sith) went from being a Jedi that has become a Sith to a race of people. Of course, that's more of an EU thing, but it's a change nonetheless. It took hime 20 years to change Darth though and that's probably only because he couldn't think of a name for the bad guy.

Someone once told me "Star Wars is a constantly evolving story". My response was "Then GL needs to say that instead of telling us that it was always meant to be that way".